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Soviet destroyer Nezamozhnik
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One of the longest articles of a collaboration on Soviet World War II destroyers, this passed a GA review several weeks ago. It is about a ship that was originally built by the Russian Empire during World War I that did not reach completion before the fall of the Tsar, but saw an extremely active career during World War II. Kges1901 (talk) 21:36, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Comments Support by CPA-5
Looks a great article, I only see some minor issues. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 21:52, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * she escorted a floating dry dock with a capacity of 5000 tons 5000 --> 5,000. Also what kinda "tonnes" is it, metric tons or long tons?
 * Done Kges1901 (talk) 17:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * she returned to Novorossiysk on 30 December, then to Poti on New Years' Day 1942 suggesting New Year's Day.
 * Done Kges1901 (talk) 17:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * four single 102-millimeter (4.0 in) I don't think the "0" is necessary, or is it?
 * Done Kges1901 (talk) 17:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * by a single 76.2-millimeter (3.0 in) Same as above is it necessary?
 * Done Kges1901 (talk) 17:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * raised by the Soviet government Soviet Government.
 * Generally a nonspecific mention of a government is not capitalized. Kges1901 (talk) 17:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * sailing 45,856 nautical miles How much is that in normal miles and km?
 * Added km conversion, can't have more than one conversion in the template. Kges1901 (talk) 17:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * to two Oerlikon 20-millimeter (0.79 in) cannon on the aft bridge. Cannon is the British English plural version I suggeste the article should use the American cannons.
 * Done Kges1901 (talk) 17:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Also which calendar do you use before the October Revolution?
 * Old style. Kges1901 (talk) 19:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't every date which is before February 1918 have an old and a new style date?
 * G'day this one is outstanding I think? Peacemaker67  (click to talk to me) 09:10, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The source I used for these dates includes a note saying that dates before the October Revolution (November 1917) are in Old Style, thus 1918 dates do not need a conversion. Kges1901 (talk) 11:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

I have no comments anymore. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:31, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * She went into Odessa for refuelling on 30 August, refuelling is British English please use refueling.
 * the destroyer received four 12.7-millimeter (0.50 in) DShK machine guns on the forward and aft bridges, The "0" after the "5" isn't necessary. CPA-5 (talk) 17:51, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Done, thanks for looking this over so closely.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, I am happy to help you both. CPA-5 (talk) 22:07, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Comments from AustralianRupert
Support: G'day, Kges, nice work. I have a few suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 05:45, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * there are no duplicate or dab links (no action required)
 * you provide the Old Style date conversion for a couple of dates in the Construction section, but not elsewhere, including those in the earlier section. Is there a reason for this?
 * in the infobox you provide 21 March 1917 for the date of launch, but this is the O.S. date in the body. Is the ordered date O.S. also?
 * Have addressed the above two by adding the missing date conversions. Kges1901 (talk) 16:00, 21 January 2019 (UTC)


 * File:Pavel Batov 2.jpg: would probably be best to face this into the article (right align)
 * Done


 * the 4 x 7.62 MGs aren't mentioned in the infobox. Should they be?
 * Added them to infobox.


 * that she was completed with --> "with which she was completed"?
 * Done


 * 7 September 1920 for completion.[5][4]: suggest reordering refs into numerical order
 * Done


 * In the fall of 1925: probably best to say what month here as seasonal references are unclear and can cause confusion
 * Done. This is the movement referenced in the following two sentences.


 * Shortly after her completion, Nezamozhnik participated and In the fall of 1925 Nezamozhnik and her: should this be Nezamozhny at this point as the rename is mentioned after this?
 * Done. Good catch.


 * Messina, Italy, (7 to 10 October), and Piraeus, Greece, (11 to 14 October): suggest moving the commas here: " Messina, Italy (7 to 10 October), and Piraeus, Greece (11 to 14 October),"
 * Done


 * on the next day: "on" is probably unnecessary here
 * Done


 * Tuapse a day later. She left for her: it probably isn't clear which ship "she" refers to here
 * Done


 * 173 102 mm shells as there are two numerical values here it is probably best to spell the first one out here
 * Done


 * do we know what the ship did between November 1944 and the end of the war?
 * Nothing of combat significance, since the Soviets had control of the Black Sea by then.


 * do we know what the ship did between the end of the war and Jan 49?
 * Probably routine peacetime duty, but no information in sources.


 * suggest adding alt text:

Comments Support by PM
A few comments from me: More to come. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:26, 21 January 2019 (UTC) That's me done. Nice work on this. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:22, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * her sea trial speed didn't meet her designed speed. In those circumstances, don't we use her sea trial speed in the infobox?
 * where were the primary and AA guns located?
 * where was the second 76.2 mm gun located?
 * comma after "During March 1934"
 * Not necessary.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No info about what she was doing between 1936 and 1941?
 * Sadly, Soviet sources tend to focus on wartime activities. We're lucky to have even this much.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * suggest "and guarded the battleship it"
 * "escorted the tanker Kuybyshev"
 * "she and the minesweeper Gruz"
 * do none of the Further reading sources have anything unique to say?
 * Thank for catching all these.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries. Supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:27, 22 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Image review


 * File:Pavel Batov 2.jpg Nice pic. CC licence.
 * File:Fidonisy-classDDs.jpg, File:Destroyer Shaumyan.jpg, File:Zheleznyakov NH 78240.jpg - PD US Navy.


 * All images have appropriate licences. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  19:30, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Source review


 * Looks good. Nice use of Russian-language sources.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  19:30, 27 January 2019 (UTC)