Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Thomas Crisp


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Thomas Crisp
First World War Victoria Cross recipient. Passed GA, been Peer Reviewed. Want to see what else can be done and how far I can take this.--Jackyd101 23:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That was quick, I only just passed it :) The auto Javascript program says the following:


 * If this article is about a person, please add  along with the required parameters to the article - see Persondata for more information.[?]
 * I saw this at peer review. I thought that the "infobox military person" superseeded the "persondata" box. Is this wrong?
 * Persondata goes at the bottom of an article is isn't visible, so I dont think so. RHB Talk - Edits 02:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorted--Jackyd101 02:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), dates shouldn't use th; for example, instead of using January 30th was a great day, use January 30 was a great day.[?]
 * The only dates with a th are in the citations and as these are direct from the source I didn't think they should be changed.
 * Yep, you're right there. RHB Talk - Edits 02:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Please reorder/rename the last few sections to follow guidelines at Guide to layout.[?]
 * Moved notes, changed "Further reading" to "References". Is this what is meant?

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 * Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]
 * Will have another look through, were there any specific instances of poor prose?
 * Looks fine to me reading it through. RHB Talk - Edits 02:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I would add that the red links are slightly annoying, and the information for Unterseeboot C-41 was available in one of the references. The www.victoriacross.net seems to have become a holding advert page, so doesn't say much. The CWGD page goes to Charles Manning, the Crisp page seems to be here. The image is a bit iffy - when was it taken? and by who - Crown Copyright can be annoying to say the least. I saw it on the Find a Grave page too. Finally, references generally go after punctuation. Other than than, and a final prose copyedit, I think it should be ok. RHB Talk - Edits 00:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Further changes: I'll sort out the red links as best I can;
 * I'll remove the Victoriacaoss.net link;
 * I'm not sure what you mean about CWGD link going to the wrong place, it goes to Thomas Crisp for me;
 * Which image has the problem? They all seem to have correct tags. I don't know their origin, the picture of Crisp seems to come from the Victoriacross.net site before it closed down, not sure about the status of those images. Its says here at Find-A-Grave that thier images do not infringe on the copyright of any nation. Don't know how accurate that is.
 * Where was the reference in the wrong place? Bugger, I thought I'd got them all.
 * Thankyou for your time and comments.--Jackyd101 01:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Just me looking at one of thr references wrongly, dont worry about the CWGD link. Looking good to me, any chance of some more references? Which museum is the replica at? RHB Talk - Edits 02:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The replica is kept in Lowestoft town hall, not in an actual museum. I don't know any further details than that, and the town hall is not particulaly notable in itself (as far as I'm aware, not enough to merit its own article anyway). The references are tricky, because most sources for this do little more than simply copy the citation and a few basic dates and places. Snelling's book is the only one I've seen with comprehensive information.--Jackyd101 02:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Support The article seems to meet the criteria for A-class, although further improvement would certainly be necessary for FA. Carom 03:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you point out where for future reference?--Jackyd101 03:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Support Indeed meets criteria for A-class. Would in usual case need more citations for FA-status; however what Jackyd101 says about the sources may make this difficult. Cheers Buckshot06 03:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Support - You've done an excellent job with a fairly obscure subject. With a combination of searches I've turned up the following, though some aren't that useful: , - Is victoriacross.org.uk similar to victoriacross.net?, or has the site moved?,, and  - he is shown on both church memorials, and finally. RHB Talk - Edits 18:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for finding those, I inserted some of them, was particulaly useful, the others a little less so, but still worthy of placing in external links or inline citations I thought.--Jackyd101 19:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Objection reword the intro into a shorter version with less adjectives. The main article can contain such flowery material. SupportWandalstouring 14:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Done--Jackyd101 06:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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