Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/World War II and American animation


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Withdrawn by nominator EyeSerene talk 12:50, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

World War II and American animation

 * Nominator(s): Adamdaley (talk)

I am nominating this article for A-Class review because... This article is reasonably close to being an "A-class" article with the amount of information, images, references etc. I would like to see it "A-class". Because I've never promoted an article to "A-class" before. Adamdaley (talk) 05:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comments: Interesting article, Adam. I can't comment on content as I don't have any knowledge in this area, but I will try to help out in other areas:
 * "File:Education for Death.jpg" is a fair use image, but the image description page currently doesn't have a fair use rationale for use in this article;
 * "File:Ducknazi.jpg" doesn't have a fair use rationale for use in this article;
 * "File:Fifthcolumnmouse.jpg" doesn't have a fair use rationale for use in this article;
 * the images lack alt text. While it is not an A-class requirement, you might consider adding it in;
 * I'm not sure of the referencing standards required for this type of article, but there are a number of paragaphs that are seemingly unsourced. I suspect that even for something like this, for A-class all paragraphs will need to at least end in a citation. A greater depth of sourcing might be required if paragraphs draw information from multiple sources;
 * in the lead, "On December 8, 1941 the U.S. Army began working". There should probably be a second comma after "1941" per Checklist;
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "War bonds perhaps received..." There should probably be a wiki link for "war bond" here;
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I suggest adding a wikilink "Henry Morgenthau";
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "sent by an irate Hitler", probably best to use Hitler's full name as it is the first mention, and to add a wikilink;
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * if articles exist, you could probably link on first mention to Bugs Bunny, Pluto, Minnie Mouse, Donald Duck, etc.
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * this sentence probably needs to be reordered: "“RESTRICTED” is the first word that is shown in the beginning of a film that discusses the type of glue used for wooden aircraft for the film, Aircraft Wood Repair because of its sensitive content". (repetition "of a film" and "for the film");
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "because autopilot functions were new to aircrafts", the plural of aircraft is just aircraft;
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "to identify U.S. Cruisers". Not sure about the capitalisation here, my suggestion is "to identify U.S. cruisers";
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "Rules of the Nautical Road was a Naval training film", probably should be lower case "naval training film" (Naval is not a proper noun here);
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * suggest wikilinking to "G.I. (military)";
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * wikilink "Warner Bros.";
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * wikilink "Franklin Delano Roosevelt";
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "resembles the Tojo bucktooth grin", general readers might not know who Tojo was, so you will probably need to wikilink at least;
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * wikilink Winston Churchill;
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "The cartoon was originally titled Donald Duck in Nuzi Land" (should the title be displayed in italics?);
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * there is a typo here: "Der Fueher's Face", I think it should be "Der Fuehrer’s Face";
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * typo: "and die for his Fueher", I think it should be "and die for his Fuehrer"
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "replaced with Mein Kampf", I think Mein Kampf should be presented in italics and be wikilinked (the later wikilink should be moved here);
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "swastika" could probably be linked also;
 * I've done this one. AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * the template at the bottom of the article might be better presented in collapsed form. Usually this can be achieved by adding "|state=collapsed" to the mark up. AustralianRupert (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * this one didn't work. As it requires some coding work to be done on the template, I suggest not worrying about it. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've implemented some of these comments. Adam, are you able to action the rest, please? As nominator you will need to respond to the comments that have been made here and action the requests, otherwise the review will probably not be successful. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comments:
 * An interesting article (I've always been a fan of those Donald Duck films!), but I've some slight concerns over the references in places:
 * "War bonds perhaps received the most advertising and press. Animated cartoons allowed the government to spread their message in a much more entertaining manner." - what's the source for these assessments? The reference seems to be "^ Warner Bros. and U.S. Treasury Dept., Robert Clampett, "Bugs Bunny Bond Rally", 1943, Film", which doesn't look like it would be a likely source.
 * "The government also used animation studios like Walt Disney to encourage people to pay their taxes promptly." - this feels a bit close to OR, in that its source is then a sequence of original films, which are analysed to support the statement.
 * "The Disney team was also commissioned by the government’s agricultural division to make a short film about food in America. The film highlighted the importance of the American farmer. It was meant to alleviate fears by giving detailed numbers on the amount of food produced by America alone so that Americans could rest assured knowing how much food was available to them." - what was the reference for this?
 * "Animation was co-opted in the 1940s for training purposes." - this would need a reference as written, as it implies that animation wasn't used in the 1930s for training purposes, and implies a particular way of commissioning films.
 * "The most elaborate training film, Disney's Stop That Tank!,..." again, no reference beyond the film itself. In whose view is this the most elaborate film, etc.
 * " Those in the Army and Marine Corps were familiar with the names Private Snafu and Lance Corporal Schmuckatelli." - again, a source would be needed for this.
 * "Some films were more potent with propagandistic symbolism than others.... This message of appeasement and signing a truce would have been all too familiar to the adults in the theaters who were probably with their children..." Again, unreferenced - the only reference in this paragraph is to the original film.
 * If you're after some references for these and others, worth trying Rekha Sharma's article "Drawn-out Battles", which does an overview of the literature on the uses of animation in the period (p. 75 in here. Hchc2009 (talk) 08:01, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comments:
 * this is not a formal requirement, but I think it is advisable to go for WP:GAN before A-class.
 * "Propaganda Technique in World War I" needs a page number
 * wait, are all the references here but one film references?? It raises a major WP:OR flag to me. I understand we occasionally use film references and such for fiction plots, but such an article should be referenced primarily with books and academic articles, not primary source films.
 * MoS failure with regards o WP:LEAD. Lead shoudl summarize the article and should contain no unique information. It seems to me that the lead here fails on both counts.
 * While I personally recommend increased citation density, up to every single sentence, I know this is not a required standard. Nonetheless, this article fails even the "one reference per paragraph" requirement, as I count at least two paragraphs (one very long) missing any reference.
 * Please ping me on my talk page if you'd like me to take another look and respond promptly to any issues raised here. I may not notice changes here very quickly otherwise. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 19:42, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


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