Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Yannis Makriyannis


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Ioannis Makrygiannis
The article recently passed GA, and I'd like to see your take on it. Druworos 11:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. Looks good to me. LordAmeth 13:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Indecisive Are there only Greek sources and one French available? Wandalstouring 14:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply I don't know of English sources. This does not mean they don't exist, obviously. Just that I don't know of them. :) Druworos 10:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In the French article are several non-Greek sources listed. Perhaps you can use some more of them. It is a case of noteability. Like the Hiasl who is a local hero in Bavaria, but hardly anybody outside that small country(some cultures within neither) knows him. Is such a man noteable enough to have an article here? Wandalstouring 02:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You will notice there are three French sources in total in the French article, I'm already using one of them. Surprising as it may seem, tracking down French journals like Autres Espaces (one of the other sources) is not exactly easy in Greece. At any rate, I copy-paste the following from MilHist:
 * The following types of military figures are always notable:
 * People who commanded a substantial body of troops (such as an army or fleet, or a significant portion of one) in combat.
 * People who are the primary topic of one or more published secondary works.
 * Makrygiannis did command a substantial body of troops in combat, and he is the primary topic of at least one published secondary work I know of (the article by Theotokas you'll find listed in the sources section). More important, perhaps, than his military career, is his involvement with the first Greek constitution, his contribution to which has been recognised by the Greek state. His most significant work, however, may be his Memoirs. As you will find in the section on his literary work, he has been called one of the two greatest masters of modern Greek prose by Nobel laureate poet Yorgos Seferis. Surely, this should answer the issue of notability. Druworos 11:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I started to search for this guy. The English version of his book is: Ioánnis Makrygiánnis, The Memoirs of General Makrygiannis, 1797-1864. Oxford University Press, 1966 (selections) Wandalstouring 20:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Makrygiannis did command a substantial body of troops in combat, and he is the primary topic of at least one published secondary work I know of (the article by Theotokas you'll find listed in the sources section). More important, perhaps, than his military career, is his involvement with the first Greek constitution, his contribution to which has been recognised by the Greek state. His most significant work, however, may be his Memoirs. As you will find in the section on his literary work, he has been called one of the two greatest masters of modern Greek prose by Nobel laureate poet Yorgos Seferis. Surely, this should answer the issue of notability. Druworos 11:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I started to search for this guy. The English version of his book is: Ioánnis Makrygiánnis, The Memoirs of General Makrygiannis, 1797-1864. Oxford University Press, 1966 (selections) Wandalstouring 20:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Conditional Support. Needs a bibliography - listing the sources. A few more cites would also be good. Buckshot06 22:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Support But I agree with Buckshot, it needs a seperate sources section. Kyriakos 01:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment The sources are the ones already appearing under the references section. It would, of course, be simple to create a separate bibliography, it's just that it would be a repetition of the references section right above it. As for more citations, there are already quite a few in there, I think. I could add a citation to the end of every sentence, I just think that's a bit over the top, myself. If you feel there are particular points that need a citation, please point them out in specific. Thanks for the comments! Druworos 10:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * At any rate, I added a separate sources section, I suppose it is more appropriate. Druworos 11:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
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