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Yugoslav destroyer Zagreb
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Zagreb is the final instalment of her class to come to ACR, so hopefully all the rough edges have been knocked off during the reviews of her sisters and the class article. She is notable in that she was the only sea-going Yugoslav ship to be scuttled during the Axis invasion of Yugoslavia in April 1941. This forms part of a Good Topic that I am slowly moving towards Featured. Have at it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:31, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Comments Support by Indy beetle

 * What was the fate of her wreck? Was it raised for scrap? -Indy beetle (talk) 06:18, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Not in sources I have been able to find. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:23, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

-Indy beetle (talk) 20:48, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * There seems to be some additional information in Jarman about the significance of this ship's launching, since it was Yugoslavia's first major warship.
 * G'day, added some material from Jarman Vol 3 and sfn'd the citations. Thanks for those additions, and for the review! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:00, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, all of the Jarman stuff seems accurately represented. Supporting. -Indy beetle (talk) 07:52, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Support from Gog the Mild

 * "When Yugoslavia entered World War II due to the German-led Axis invasion of that country in April 1941, two of her officers scuttled her at the Bay of Kotor on 17 April 1941 to prevent her capture by approaching Italian forces." Optional: the first part of that sentence is a little clunky. Can you think of ways to tidy it up?


 * "A French film was made about her demise and the deaths of the two officers." It would be nice to be told when this was. (Personally I would put a paragraph break in before that sentence.)


 * "the onset of the Great Depression meant that only one ship of the planned half-flotilla was ever built" May it be worth inserting a few words explaining why one caused the other?


 * "Division" is over-linked.


 * "removed the captain and crew from the ship". "removed" begs some questions for me. Any information on how this was done? Did they ask them to leave? Did they inform them of their plans? Did they force them off at gunpoint?


 * "Most of the ship sank to the bottom of the bay" This implies that it broke up in the explosion and some parts didn't sink. Is that the case?
 * "Adriatic Sea of Fire" should be in italics.

Gog the Mild (talk) 15:03, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for taking a look. I think I got everything. Here are my edits. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Supporting. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:39, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Image review - pass
The image is appropriately licenced, positioned and captioned. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:04, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Comments Support by CPA-5

 * Pipe Italian to the Kingdom of Italy.
 * Went with Royal Italian Army during World War II as more specific.


 * Link WWI.
 * Done.


 * these ships were intended to operate as half-flotillas of three ships Never heard of half-flotillas, can you explain it or link it if it has one?
 * it doesn't have a link, but linked to flotilla.


 * The Beograd class was developed from a French design, and the second ship of the class French design of what? Was it made by the French; was there a French ship made of this design and this is the way how they got inspired or something else?
 * Destroyers obviously. Added.


 * Link Yarrow?
 * Done.


 * Her standard displacement was 1,210 tonnes (1,190 long tons), and she displaced 1,655 tonnes (1,629 long tons) at full load Link load and standard loads.
 * Done.


 * The ship was powered by Parsons geared steam turbines driving two propellers How many turbines?
 * Presumably a pair, as that is how they are generally configured, but the sources are clear.


 * using steam generated by three Yarrow water-tube boilers Unlink Yarrow because this is the second used Yarrow.
 * I've used a different link here.


 * The crew consisted of 145 officers and enlisted men Wartime or peacetime?
 * Presumably wartime. Most references only provide one crew size.


 * Her fire-control system was provided by the Dutch firm of Hazemayer Link the firm.
 * There isn't a link, and I don't know enough about them to determine if they were/are notable.


 * and a public holiday was declared to mark the occasion What's the name of the public holiday?
 * No idea.


 * Link 1st Torpedo Division.
 * Given its short existence and the size of a naval division, I don't think so.


 * The following day, with Italian forces closing on the Bay of Kotor Link Italian.
 * Went with Royal Italian Army during World War II.


 * In the mid-1980s, Mašera's head was disinterred and forensically identified Where was his secret grave?
 * Sources don't say.


 * The film was partly filmed on location in Yugoslavia Link Yugoslavia to Communist Yugoslavia.
 * Done to Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia


 * after which it was buried at a cemetery in Ljubljana Add "(modern-day Slovenia)".
 * Done.


 * No link for Maritime Museum of Montenegro?
 * I'm not sure it meets notability requirements, particularly multiple reliable sources independent of the subject.


 * is kept on display at the Maritime Museum of Montenegro in Koto This is about the town of Koto right?
 * Linked.


 * The first and third sources in the "Website" section should have a |language=.
 * Done.


 * The shafts are not included in the body.
 * Propeller equals shaft.


 * Link both standard and full load in the infobox.
 * Done.

That's it from me I believe. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 22:03, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking it over, . I think I've addressed all your points. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:59, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Source review
 * Great Britain and the East Needs a location, WorldCat says it's from London and we need also a publisher, WorldCat also mentioned that?
 * Fixed.


 * No publisher nor location in Freivogel's PDF?
 * Fixed.


 * Is it possible to standardise the 10/13-digit ISBNs?
 * Sure, done.


 * Does your Warship 2005 copy mentions "Stephen Dent" as one its writers? Because Google Books says so.
 * No, just Jordan as editor and the two as the authors of this particular article.


 * You sure the ISBNs of both Yugoslavia Political Diaries 1918-1965 volumes goes to only to the first volume? Or is it one big book with all the volumes in it?
 * The copy I've used is physically in three separate volumes, but forms one work with a single ISBN. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:46, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Could you tell me how Niehorster's source is highly reliable?
 * Niehorster has a PhD in history and has been reliably published in his specialist area of orders of battle. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:46, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 09:47, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * All done I reckon, . Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:46, 25 February 2020 (UTC)