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37 mm Gun M3
I'd like to get some comments and suggestions concerning further improvement of the article. Thanks in advance. Bukvoed 08:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Woodym555
I think it is a good start but it still needs a lot of copyediting. I have copyedited all of the sections except Organization and employment. I will have a go at that when i have more time. It is a very good start though. Woodym555 21:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * In particular i could not understand the sentence "Although patterned after PaK 36 and often referred to as a copy of it" Does this mean that the overall design was a copy or just the outer casing. Pattern suggests the paint job or camo.
 * Organization and employment, The whole section seems to be slightly confusing "in December 1941 these battalions were reorganized as independent tank destroyer battalions and eventually opted for self-propelled anti-tank guns" If they were reorganised would they not get a decree form headquarters on which weapon to use or would they be given an option. The whole system of "organization" is not explained. Is this in terms of battalion and regimental structure? I am not knowledgable enough on the subject to fully understand it. It maybe needs a link to organisational structure of the Army so that the casual reader would be able to follow the article.
 * Generally it does not flow and it is very choppy in places which reinforces the need for a thorough copyedit.
 * The references do not use the appropriate template, see [|Cite book template] for more information. Most people use only the information in "Example 2".


 * Thanks for your remarks and for copyediting the article.
 * 1) About "pattern". M3 was obviously influenced by PaK 36 but differences, externally or internally, were quite significant. Don't think somebody ever confused M3 for PaK 36. "Patterned after" was supposed to mean "modelled on" / "followed the concept lines of" / etc.
 * 2) About TD battalions. I rephrased the section, but in case it's still bad, here's some additional info. On 3 Dec 1941 divisional AT battalions were officially removed from the divisional structure and became tank destroyer battalions under the Tank Destroyer Center. Of course tank destroyer battalions themselves couldn't choose their weapons. The organization chart of these battalions was developed by the TD Center and obviously had to be approved by someone (AGF ?). The TD Center wanted TD battalions to use self-propeled guns, so the battalions gradually received 37mm GMC M6 and 75mm GMC M3. After it happened, TD battalions never used the towed 37mm M3. Later the AGF insisted on arming some TD battalions with towed guns, but these were 3-inch guns.
 * 3) About the whole organization. I just tried to show where in the organization chart were 37mm AT guns. I think explanantions of organization structure are out of place in an article of a specific weapon. It would be nice to have an article with detailed explanation of the WWII-era US organization charts, but we probably don't have one. Well... I'll think about a way to make things more clear.
 * 4) About references. Thanks for the link, I'll try to improve the references fromat when I have more time.
 * Thanks again. Bukvoed 08:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Your rephrasing is much better for the uninformed reader to understand. I have copyedited the organisation section taking your info on board. A couple more pointers though
 * In the Japanese section it says "the guns were only somewhat effective". What were they not so effective at. I think that needs to be included in this section, as are the drawbacks in the other sections, if it is to be a balanced encyclopedia article.
 * Could the self propelled mounts be tabulated. Headers could be along the lines of "name | gun | mount | comments|. I think it would look better than a list.
 * You could ask for other comments form other users, but other than the points listed above, and also the references, you could try and put it up for A-Class Review. Woodym555 22:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) The gun was not so effective against fortifications. The 37 mm HE shell simply didn't contain enough explosives. I changed the article to reflect it.
 * 2) I'll experiment with turning the self-propelled mounts list into table.
 * Again, thanks a lot for your help. Bukvoed 19:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

The Land
Looks really good now. I've done a bit of editing the prose for clarity; I'm sure a lot more of this can be done. However I think you should put the article up for A-class review forthwith. The Land 21:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help. Yes, I think I'll put the article up for A-class review. Bukvoed 06:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)