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George Jones (RAAF officer)
Self-nom for this new article. I've placed no rating on it yet but believe it currently meets all criteria for at least B-class. However I think there's reasonable potential for FA, so like to hear opinions and then start down the A-class review path first. Cheers, Ian Rose 11:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Woodym555
First off i would like to say Well done. I have upgraded it to B-Class, it easily fulfils all the criteria. I have given this article a thorough look through and can find little wrong with it. My problems are listed below
 * The "early life" section could do with some expansion; a possible point of expansion would be to explain the militia and cadets section.
 * The "Later life" section is rather limited. Given that he had an active retirement; his failed attempt at becoming an MP seems like a good point for expansion.
 * Thanks Woody. I'd agree they were probably the two areas that needed a little filling out. There's not a lot more I have on his post-RAAF career (though Grant65 has pointed out his interest in UFOlogy, which I've added) but I've expanded somewhat on his early life. Cheers, Ian Rose 15:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

For A-Class and FA several pargraphs would need referencing:
 * As mentioned earlier the early life section needs another reference for the second half. Or if it is covered in the existing reference, move that one.
 * The second paragraph of Inter war years could do with another reference for the all the appointments in the second half.
 * Thanks, believe I've taken care of these two. Cheers, Ian Rose 15:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Other than these problems i think it could quite easily pass through A-Class review. Woodym555 12:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In terms of the WP:MOS i couldn't find anything wrong with it and the images are all free-use

Nick Dowling
I'd agree with Woodym555's comments on the overall quality of this excellent article. My only suggestions are:
 * Is the reason Jones transferred from the light horse to the AFC known?
 * Speculation that the mechanical side of flying appealed, but that's not from Jones' own mouth. Trauma of infantry service may have been a contributing factor so added a line on that.


 * The wording on the reason for Jones' selection as CAF is a bit unclear, as the focus of these two paras is on why he was a surprise choice and the reason for his selection (the Government's disapproval of Bostock) is buried in the middle of a para.
 * It might be worth discussing whether the selection of Jones was justified given his skills and experience. It seems reasonable for the Government to not want a CAF who was known to strongly oppose Government policies (and its hard to see how such a CAF would have been in the interests of the RAAF or the war effort), so the issue of Jones' suitability for the position is important. Jones' political views might also warrant a mention in this section - did they play a part in him being selected?
 * Will add some more on these two points.


 * Can anything be said about Jones' life between 1961 and his death? At present the article does not cover these years. Also, the article does not discuss his private life - was he married? Did he have children? Did he and Bostock continue feuding after the war?
 * Not much after 1961 bar the UFOlogy in the 60s and the autobiography in '88, which are already mentioned. Private life I can add, will look over some other WP military bios and determine best spot for it. Impression is he and Bostock never even spoke after the war but no refs as yet.

However, these are all minor issues, and the article should soon be able to pass A/FA reviews. Congratulations on the great work. --Nick Dowling 08:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers, Ian Rose 14:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Hawkeye7
Echoing the "well done" from the others (above). I have only queries:
 * Why is the allegiance "Commonwealth of Australia" instead of just "Australia". What is the standard here?
 * I took "Commonwealth of Australia" as the standard based on other Oz-related bios - however if anyone can demonstrate it's not standard I'm more than happy to switch it.


 * Should "Cadets" should link to "Australian Army Cadets" ?
 * Wasn't aware of the link - makes sense.


 * I checked his CBE citation and it says "For services as RAAF - Director of Training". Which is correct?
 * Both, I expect. The above looks like the 'high level'; what I quoted (from Helson) is the detail. Can I ask where you located that citation?


 * I don't like the characterisation of Kenney as "chief of Pacific air operations". He was commander of the Allied Air Forces.
 * Fair enough.


 * Calling the F-86 Sabre, P-2 Neptune and CAC Winjeel "venerable" makes them sound old. They are now, but at the time they were purchased, they were cutting edge aircraft.
 * "Venerable" was meant according to the definition "worthy of veneration", but perhaps "enduring" (as in "long-lasting") is appropriate.
 * Thanks for these comments, Hawkeye. Cheers, Ian Rose 03:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)