Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Noticeboard/Old/Notices 1

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Improvement drive
Two related topics, Percussion instrument and Rhythm and blues have been nominated to be improved on WP:IDRIVE. Come and support the nomination there or comment on it.--Fenice 07:30, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Electronic music WikiProject
There's a new WikiProject started for improving the Electronic music categories. If you're interested in helping, then take a look at WikiProject Electronic music. Hagbard Celine 18:31, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

WikiMusic
Hi all, I would like to point out here that on Meta a WikiMusic is proposed. Please look here for details, and please support the wiki:De proposalpage. Without communitysupport there will be no wikimusic :( effeietsanders 23:06, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

MusicBrainz wikiproject
I've started a wikiproject to link applicable articles to MusicBrainz. Information on it can be found here and here. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 12:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

please vote at vfd
Articles_for_deletion/Futuristic_Sex_Robotz...please vote!--Urthogie 10:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Deleted by .  Λυδ α cιτγ  18:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Musical Artist Project
Is there currently a Wikiproject for Musical Artists (bands, groups, ensembles, &c)? If not, is there a specific reason or has it just not come about? If there isn't one, and there isn't a reason not to have one, then I'm proposing the creation of one. This proposal can be discussed on my user page, and if you support the creation of the project, please add you name to this list. A very preliminary pre-project page exists in my user space, here. bmearns, KSC(talk) 20:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * This project jas been officially started at WikiProject Musicians  B. Mearns * , KSC 19:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Arts
 WikiProject Arts Announcing the creation of WikiProject Arts, an effort to create a collaboration between all arts projects and artistically-minded Wikipedians in order to improve arts coverage. If you think you can help, please join us! H AM  18:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Wrestling Wikiproject
Calling all musical wrestling fans: I am starting a wikiproject devoted to the music of wrestling, such as entrances and PPV themes, as well as WWE produced albums. Anyone interested in joining, please leave a message on my talk page or add yourself to the list on Moe Epsilon's. Please assist, and thank you! In the words of Mr. Mick "Mankind/Cactus Jack/Dude Love" Foley, HAVE A NICE DAY!!! Kingfisherswift 16:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

How to categorise "Indigenous Australian music" or "Native American music"?
Both world music and folk music seem to poorly capture the sense of music both traditional and new played and created in the sense of say Indigenous Australian music or Native American music. Please join the discussion at Talk:Indigenous music Paul foord 14:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Super DJ Clark Kent up for deletion
Super DJ Clark Kent is up for deletion, and it's starting to look ugly in Articles for deletion/Super DJ Clark Kent. If anyone has some time to chime in, please do so. Thanks. hateless 18:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn by nominator.  Λυδ α cιτγ  18:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

John Legend
Hi everyone! I already made this question to Music portal, but Madder told me it wasn't the right place. I'm an Italian Wikipedia user and I need your help since I'm going to write the articles about John Legend's albums Get Lifted and Once Again. I need to know: should I consider these two albums as the 1st and 2nd or as the 4th and 5th? I ask you this because


 * here and here there are a list of 5 albums and the chronology shows former albums, but
 * here there's the indication Years active: 2004 - present. 2004: year of Get Lifted release. Moreover,
 * here the album is indicated as the sophomore album: that is, the 2nd one.

Any help will be accepted with enthusiasm. Thanks in advance! 151.28.96.25 22:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, there's clearly a bit of confusion and some mistakes in the article, in particular confusion between albums and studio albums. I've fixed them, hope that helps. Madder 16:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Quality standards
I have set up a more detailed replacement for the project page's loose list of guidelines. It is also a music-specific version of Cleanup. Take a look at WikiProject Music/MUSTARD. Tuf-Kat 19:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

What is going on with the category of "composers?
I have noticed a great deal of edits done by Dafoeberezin3494 concernings the catagory of pages devoted to "composers". While it seems that there are a great many catagory pages such as "List of composers by name: S" and "List of Irish Composers" which are very short, there are enough composers whose names begin with "S" and enough Irish composers (as a visit to the Irish Contemporary Music Center site at will attest) that these pages should eventually be full. Now that the Zarzuela composers catagory has been deleted, where are people supposed to be articles by the very good composers who are listed here? 


 * While some cleaning up needs to be done, I'm wondering if there isn't just a little too much going on? Could we perhaps rethink all of this and perhaps keep some of these useful catagories open, since they are going to be needed at some point? Musikfabrik 20:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

New portal
I have just created Portal:Classical music and would appreciate participation, suggestions, and anything else anyone has to offer. Thanks, Dar-Ape 23:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks great, definitely a good idea and has much potential. Madder 13:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Timeline of trends in music from the United Kingdom
Can the Timeline of trends in music from the United Kingdom page, and some of the pages linked from it, be rescued? I feel that these particular pages have been untouched for so long, that users have forgotten about them, so in essence they have been lost and information has been put elsewhere. Maybe it is best to delete the page altogether? --Montchav 18:51, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For no obvious reason, the link now points to "Folk Music of England". I hope somebody removes this divert. I have created a new article "Timeline of trends in British music" which is a reasonable replacement for the original concept. Ogg (talk) 20:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Request for music clip
Can someone add a music clip of December, 1963 (Oh, What a Night) by the Four Seasons on the song page?

Requested articles
Requested articles/music is a total nest, and this project seems like the perfect solution. Most of the stuff in there is totally non-notable and needs to be weeded out; some have been created without being removed; some are legitimate requests. Do you guys already watch over this? If not, would you be willing to take it in? --Masamage ♫ 05:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Transcluded here as a first step.  Λυδ α cιτγ  00:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Review Notability
Though the issue has arisen due to the ever-growing catalog of critical opinions forming in the Fear of a Blank Planet article, I've had this question for quite a while now... what, if any, is Wikipedia precedent regarding the notability, and therefore the justifiable inclusion of an album review? Critics like Rolling Stone, Kerrang, or AMG would appear to be no-brainers due to their ubiquity, but others seem to be considerably more esoteric than other. Personally, I believe that I could be a fair judge of the credibility of these questionable sources, but that sort of unilateral movement doesn't sit entirely well with me in terms of setting a precedent.

So... is anyone able to help me out here? - C. M. Reed 02:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * This is being discussed at WT:ALBUM. --PEJL 08:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Film scores
There has been an increasing amount of stand alone articles for specific film scores, eg. Batman Begins (soundtrack) and Happy Feet (score). Now, if you look at the composers' articles (Hans Zimmer and John Powell respectively), the links to their works direct to the actual film. Should this change so that we are directed to soundtrack's article? Wouldn't it be better if it did? And even if the soundtrack did not have it's own page, a quick direction to soundtrack subheading of the film's article would be nice, right? (e.g.Blood Diamond (film)) Or, should we start creatng separate articles for soundtracks? —   «   h i p p i  i p p i   »    16:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say your third suggestion - linking to the Soundtrack subsection - would be best. I'll bring this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/MUSTARD.  Λυδ α cιτγ  18:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Most of these score / soundtrack articles fail to establish the importance of the subject. Every film has a soundtrack, an article that lists the soundtrack items will often violate WP:NOT.  I would say that to qualify for an independent article there would need to be something unusually notable about the soundtrack, resulting in the soundtrack itself being the subject of significant external coverage.  For example, 2001, with the rather brave use of Ligeti's Lux Aeterna, has received a lot of attention, and Wendy Carlos' soundtrack for A Clockwork Orange was singular in using synthesised versions of classical pieces.  A list of the songs used in the soundtrack of Batman, for example, might be WP:INTERESTING but not actually of any provable encyclopaedic importance. Cruftbane 07:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Music Genre(s)
Throughout my editing experience, I have dealt with many music artist articles. I still cringe to see slow edit wars over the music genre(s) a band is categorized under. I have tried to make a solution by listing them under the most general term (ie. Rock), with no success. I have created and witnessed discussions on the artist's talk page about the genre, without much success, coordination, or final decisions either So I have given it a thought and came up with another solution that involves editor concensus: This would be run in a style similar to Articles for Deletion, except instead of final decisions being, delete, keep or no consensus, you will have music genres. A separate page in the Wikipedia namespace would be established to coordinate a central area to deal with artists with debated music genre classification. If an editor observes a slow edit war over the genre, he can make a notice with a template. A centralized discussion area would be created, and would be open to anyone to try and reach concensus. In the meantime, the music genre of the debated artist would be listed as (debated), and wikilinked to the debate page. If there is a fair consensus reached, the discussion can be closed, and the decision of the music genre(s) would be applied. If an editor feels strongly about another music genre(s) that should (not) be included, another discussion can be setup, and the debating can occur again. Thoughts? -- Reaper  X  22:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say this problem affects album articles just as much as band articles. Sounds like a good idea, but I'm concerned that this solution would not help avoid edit wars re-erupting. Assuming editors who change genres will first check the central page to see if this has been previously discussed seems unrealistic. We could leave a comment in the code, but I've seen such comments ignored often enough to not assume that would work well. Perhaps we could "lock" a genre that has previously been decided, but transcluding it from a separate protected resource (for example "Metallica/genre" for "Metallica"), having the infobox code automatically use the value from the separate resource iff it exists. --PEJL 23:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Album articles, yes...I forgot about those, and those could be included. As for your other concern, I don't doubt for a second that people would try and go change that, you've seen many be ignored as much as I have, like you said. I just want some consensus and consistency here. Transcluding it is an excellent idea, but that could take alot of work doing that for every artist, and it would probably make for complication. -- Reaper  X  00:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Though I sympathize with your pain, we should Avoid instruction creep. I doubt that this page would have enough listings to be worth the time taken in setting it up. Instead, why not ask here when such an issue comes up to determine consensus?  Λυδ α cιτγ  03:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Music External Links
Hey. John recommended coming to WikiProject Music for some help. Artists House is a free, nonprofit, and education-oriented site. All of its material was created exclusively for the site. I'd like to add some of the video interviews as external links to relevant Wikipedia pages. For example, I'd like to add a video interview with Teo Macero to the Bitches Brew page. Here is the interview. However, if you look at the site, you can see that there are a lot of videos that would be extremely relevant to a lot of pages. Would this be something WikiProject Music would be interested in supporting? Ammosh11 20:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Is this your own site? If so, you will wish to read Conflict of interest and make sure that you are not conflicting with that guideline. Asking about the links before you add them, as you are doing, is a good first step.  Λυδ α cιτγ  03:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I am affiliated with the site. However, I did read multiple Wikipedia rules and was referred here by a Wikipedia administrator. John let me know that the correct step is to get the links approved by a neutral party, so that's what I'm trying to do. Even though I am affiliated, all the videos were meant for education-oriented uses. The site owns the copyrights of all its material, and it's all free. Plus, the material is reliably sourced material, seeing as the people being interviewed are the people's pages I would be posting on.


 * John let me know that a WikiProject would be the place to go to get some help with posting some links. What's your take on this? Thanks for your help. Ammosh11 06:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm a regular music article editor and I've seen some links to this site. I checked it out once because I often remove external links if they are overly commercial and not really needed.  But I did not remove the link because the interview was educational and definately WP:RS.  So I looked around the site, and found this:


 * "Funding for the development of Artists House Music has been provided by the Herb Alpert Foundation. The foundation devised the idea for an online, non-profit musicians’ Website where all musicians can receive informational support, guidance, and expert resources to help them navigate the challenges and maximize the opportunities available to them within the music industry."


 * That's good enough for me. My opinion is that links to that site are completely fine.  I did not see any commercial advertising on the site at all.


 * I'd say, go ahead and include the links and if you run into trouble about it, refer editors to the page with the above quote. If they still don't like the link, you're welcome to contact me on my talk page or refer them to this discussion here.


 * It would be a good idea to include a footnote or explanation with the link, to indicate what you noted above, "The site owns the copyrights of all its material, and it's all free." You could add that it's a non-profit foundation.


 * Of course, further opinions are wlecome from other editors here as well.--Parzival418 Hello 06:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your help! Your suggestions are greatly appreciated. Ammosh11 06:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I have an objection against the addition of these links by user Ammosh11 or user ahmusic. WP:COI states that link-additions to organisations should be discussed if the user is affiliated with these links.  Also, mass additions can be explained as spam, even if the links as such are good.  Please discuss the links on the appropriate talkpages, and let them being added by uninvolved editors when consensus is reached.  Also, in many cases the links serve their function better as a reference instead of a link in the external links sections (also see WP:EL and WP:NOT).  Hope this explains.  --Dirk Beetstra T  C 15:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've now read the various links Dirk has provided and understand the problem better. I have some ideas about how we can come up with a solution that works for everyone and follows all the Wikipedia policies, but I don't have time to write about it now.


 * In the meantime, I recommend that user Ammosh11 or user ahmusic stop adding the links until we come to a consensus that they are OK and how to reference them. There is no hurry to get them added right away.  I do believe the information is valuable, in accordance with policy, and we'll be able to find a consensus on this, but it's important to avoid unintentionally creating a problem that can drag down the process before the consensus is reached.


 * I also recommend that you read this discussion I found in one of the article Dirk linked in his comment: . That link goes to the page, but to get to the actual text, you need to scroll down and un-hide the collapsed archive with the title:  Victoria and Albert Museum (2) – Inactive.   Please read that and also the Wikiguides that Dirk linked, so later when I post my suggestions on how we can approach this, you will be familiar with the underlying principles.


 * In particular, take a look at this section of the article about WP:COI. This may take a while, so please be patient. But also don't worry about it. Your contributions are not simply being rejected, we will continue this discussion. --Parzival418 Hello 21:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment on Space music article
The above article is currently in need of contributions by informed third parties to assist in the resolution of a longrunning dispute concerning definitions. Similar attention is also required at Ambient music and New Age music. --Gene_poole 23:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is the direct link to the Request for Comment.


 * Regarding the similar questions about Ambient music and New Age music, I suggest that since the discussions will cover similar points, that we address the RFC at Space music first rather than trying to do them all at once. Just a suggestion - that we go a step at a time to avoid duplicate effort. The consensus will affect several articles in the long run.  --Parzival418 Hello 01:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Pop music WikiProject
I've proposed a WikiProject Pop music at WikiProject Council/Proposals. Anyone with input on whether or not it should be created or who would be interested in forming one should discuss there. ShadowHalo 23:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnraisers AfD
Hi, the article Barnraisers is up for deletion. I make a habit of notifying an appropriate group in these circumstances, so apologies if this is the wrong place. The AfD can be found here. DarkSaber2k 12:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

What music charts are acceptable?
In WP:MUSIC the charting criterion is "had a charted hit on any national music chart." What exactly qualifies as a "national music chart"? I'm specifically interested in the US, but worldwide would be helpful, too. The reason I ask is there's a "problematic" article that refers to chart hits on Friday Morning Quarterback (link), which I think is more of a radio "tip sheet" for programmers than a solid chart reference (like Billboard). My history is in music retail, not radio so I don't know about FMQB (other than knowing it exists, and has for quite a while). Pondering whether or not charting with FMQB counts toward notability got me wondering about other charts that might be quoted. Especially when they're not easily verifiable (i.e. no online archive of charts). I mean, the criterion explicity states "any" national chart; that seems overly expansive. Precious Roy 12:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've found this Record charts not sure if it clears things up though - X201 12:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I had seen that; that's just how to present chart information in a table. Thanks for the thought anyway. Precious Roy 15:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Music wiki
User:DMajj wishes to alert us to Musicality, a music-specific wiki which he has been working on. Those interested in music may wish to check out Musicality and perhaps contribute.  Λυδ α cιτγ  18:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

G-Unit Records WikiProject
--The-G-Unit-Boss 19:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Music encyclopedia topics
This project, a subproject of WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles consisting of music entries, was recently marked as inactive. I guess I was the only one who was working on it, and that was rather occasionally. There are many many ideas for articles there that should be included in the encyclopedia, and it would be great to see more progress. (The whole list is a bit daunting.) I wasn't sure how widely known the list is, so I wanted to bring it to your attention. Rigadoun (talk) 06:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Templates seeking approval
I have created a set of music Navboxes, and I'm trying to seek approval. Each one covers a certain genre or category. Now I realize we already have a Template:Navbox musical artist. I feel that one template can't support all genres of musc (suppose if the one template was changed, it would affect all other template, which could be a pain). The templates can be found HERE. I have only created navboxes for "solo hip hop artist", "hip hop groups" (i.e. D12, G-Unit, NWA, etc.), "solo pop singer", "pop group" (i.e. Destiny's Child, NSYNC, etc.), "solo rock singer" (i.e. John Lennon, Paul McCartney, etc.), "rock band", and "other". If there are any other notable genres to be created, I can create it. The more feedback I have on this, the better. MI  TB   LS  14:40, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Help needed with Category:UK Raving
Should Category:UK Raving be deleted? See Categories for discussion/Log/2007 November 1. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Non-notable band (?)
I have a begining to an article here on a user subpage. I was hoping to flesh it out more and then make it a wikipedia article, but my sources have completely dried up. No more googlehits other than buying used CDs. Should I throw in the towell? Please respond on my talk page. &mdash;ScouterSig 17:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Responded on your talk page. -- Pepve (talk) 18:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Help with serial hoaxer/spammer
I've indefinitely blocked & sockpuppet. I am not familiar enough with hip-hop to know what information added is incorrect, but these accounts have a history of creating hoaxish/spamish content that should be reviewed. Thanks, &mdash; Scientizzle 16:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I quoted your request on WikiProject Hip hop, it might get better attention there. I myself am rather unequiped with hip hop knowledge, sorry. -- Pepve (talk) 20:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! &mdash; Scientizzle 21:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Pop music overhaul
Greetings. I've taken upon myself to overhaul the Pop music article that's been in dire need of attention for a while. As befits, its taken me far more time and effort than I foresaw, not only because of the associated articles, categories and lists. I was given the shove I needed to get on with it by the Core Topics Contest, which ends tomorrow, so I've posted what I have and shall continue to work on it until it's finished (five days to a week, I'm expecting). I beg your patience on the sections tagged 'Work in progress' and am open to all comments on the rest, for which I refer you to the article's talk page. Peace. ↔ Dennywuh (talk) 20:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Final comments
I'm done with the rewrite of the article. I've left a couple of hints for improvements on the talk page, if anyone wishes to help. Greetings. ↔ Dennywuh (talk) 18:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)