Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/Gastrich domains

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Proposal to whitelist jcsm.org
I would like to link to this one from my user page as a very useful source linking on to essays, sermons, bible translations and Christian boooks and music in a number of languages. It was blacklisted owing to a certain controversy around its owner, but not allowing the link seems to be a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Thanks in advance. Uncle Davey (Talk) 18:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yikes!! I did some checking to see what the history of this domain was and why it was blacklisted. I found a lot:


 * Lots of history:
 * Articles for deletion/Jason Gastrich deleted 6 times (once as an attack page)
 * Requests for checkuser/Case/Jason Gastrich
 * Requests for arbitration/Jason Gastrich/Evidence
 * Requests for comment/Jason Gastrich
 * meta:Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2007/04
 * meta:Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2007/03


 * Lots of sockpuppets:
 * Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Jason Gastrich


 * Lots of domains:
 * http://www.believeandrepent.com
 * http://www.christianguitar.biz
 * http://equityhomeloanscredit.com
 * http://www.freechristians.org
 * http://www.fundy.org
 * http://www.GoFalo.net
 * http://www.gotoisrael.net
 * http://www.gotojerusalem.net
 * http://www.inerrancy.com
 * Already blacklisted
 * http://www.jcsm.net
 * Already blacklisted
 * Already blacklisted
 * http://www.macsd.org
 * http://www.managementpositions.org
 * http://maximizingtheinternet.com
 * http://michaelnewdow.com
 * http://myspace.com/jasongastrich
 * http://nkjv.org
 * http://nljonline.org
 * http://www.occm.org
 * Already blacklisted
 * http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.org
 * Already blacklisted
 * http://www.topnutritionsites.com
 * http://www.wisequotesbook.com
 * http://www.yecs.org
 * http://www.managementpositions.org
 * http://maximizingtheinternet.com
 * http://michaelnewdow.com
 * http://myspace.com/jasongastrich
 * http://nkjv.org
 * http://nljonline.org
 * http://www.occm.org
 * Already blacklisted
 * http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.org
 * Already blacklisted
 * http://www.topnutritionsites.com
 * http://www.wisequotesbook.com
 * http://www.yecs.org
 * http://www.occm.org
 * Already blacklisted
 * http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.org
 * Already blacklisted
 * http://www.topnutritionsites.com
 * http://www.wisequotesbook.com
 * http://www.yecs.org
 * Already blacklisted
 * http://www.topnutritionsites.com
 * http://www.wisequotesbook.com
 * http://www.yecs.org
 * http://www.yecs.org
 * http://www.yecs.org


 * Google Adsense revenue code: 6669817858049893


 * Many interesting ministries:
 * http:// jcsm.org/phoneads/cheap-long-distance.html
 * http:// jcsm.org/phoneads/free-cell-phones.html
 * http:// jcsm.org/phoneads/cell-phone-plans.html
 * http:// jcsm.org/phoneads/international-calling-cards.html
 * http:// jcsm.org/phoneads/talk-america-local.html
 * http:// jcsm.org/phoneads/voip-broadband-phone.html
 * http:// jcsm.org/phoneads/ztel-mci-unlimited.html
 * http:// jcsm.org/phoneads/wireless-phone-service.html


 * Given all the history surrounding Gastrich on Wikipedia, I recommend blacklisting the domains above that are not already blacklisted.
 * -- A. B. (talk) 22:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This sems a rather extreme reaction. There are plenty of useful resources for Christians over those domains, and there are at jcsm.org which is why I wanted to link to it from my user page.Uncle Davey (Talk) 22:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Consider reviewing this policy when deciding what to put on a user page and remember that Wikipedia user pages do not belong to the user, but to the community. It's also prudent to keep WP:SOAP in mind.  Jason Gastrich has been banned from Wikipedia for cause, and his domains have largely been banned, also, and also with good reason.  If you wish to post some "Christian" links on the Wikipedia user page, there are probably thousands of other potential sites to select. - Nascentatheist 22:59, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Uncle Davey has a close association with banned user Jason Gastrich (see his comments here  - quite a few others can be cited).  He is not presenting an objective viewpoint with respect to the inclusion of the domains.  He has a long history of excusing banned user  Jason Gastrich's behavior at Wikipedia and blaming others for Jason's eventual expulsion .  It is likely that his request is simply a means by which the two of them might get around the black-listing of domains and continue the promotion of alleged Christian ministries, particularly those of  Jason Gastrich.   Uncle Davey would do well to familiarize himself with WP:SOAP, WP:NOT, WP:NOT, WP:NOT, and WP:NOT. - Nascentatheist 06:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This seems to be an ad hominem argument and an attempt to make some attack on my person when I merely asked to be able to link to the site jcsm.org from my user page.  Uncle Davey (Talk) 22:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Please review the Wikipedia standards that I referenced above, and consider, also, reviewing what does and does not constitute ad hominem, as you seem to be rather confused about the subject. Your association with  Jason Gastrich cannot be ignored in this case and you compounded the problem for all of us by posting this at YouTube as well as writing, "I also have a shared service with Dr Gastrich for Christian audio messages and that can be found" and then you list the Sermon Audio site URL.  Your previous arguments that  Jason Gastrich is justified in typosquatting don't make it any easier for us to accept that this is simply some innocent desire to post a resource on a Wikipedia user page. - Nascentatheist 22:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I would like it if we had the capability to whitelist the use of a link only from specified pages (such as your user page). Hopefully, we'll get something like that built into the MediaWiki software's whitelisting functionality someday. Until then, whitelisting a link is an either/or decision -- either it's whitelisted for every English Wikipedia page or it's not whitelisted for any. -- A. B. (talk) 02:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that it would be a good feature. I needed to link to that domain for a piece of evidence that I had for a situation that I wanted to address and ran into the same problem. - Nascentatheist 03:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * ❌, obviously. We don't need Gastrich's links any more than we need Gastrich. Guy (Help!) 19:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)