Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria/Archive1

Biochem stub

 * I was wondering if we could have a biochemistry stub? I don't know if this was discussed already, but I think it could better categorize many stubs. A lot of enzymes Also, is there a list of criteria somewhere that defines what is or isn't a medicine stub? Thanks! --jag123 18:28, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * In the process of defining that now that you've suggested it. We really need to sit down and re-think all of this. -- AllyUnion (talk) 05:17, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I'd like to help out with this project, especially for stubs relating to biology, chemistry and medecine. I suppose you're working on the criterias for each stub, but here's my $0.02. I've briefly skimmed through the medecine stubs and apart from a few things (eg. fornix, Dorsal root ganglion, Mesenchymal cell), it all seems to relate to either diseases/conditions that affect humans and drugs used in human therapies. The chemistry category seems pretty clear-cut. If a biochem stub is added, enzymes, proteins, chemicals with a biochemical purpose (eg. Vitamin B) and processes/cycles (eg. Thermogenesis) could be added. For the biology category, how specific can things get? Are genetics, cell biology, anatomy (for instance) acceptable stub categories? Let me know if there's anything I can do. --jag123 07:21, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Back on 10 Feb, I had inadvertantly blocked inclusion of Category:Biochemistry stubs in Category:Science stubs. This is now fixed.  Apologies. Courtland 18:08, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)

Criteria for medicine stub

 * 1) Medical technology
 * 2) Medical terms that can not be associated with biology, chemistry or any other stub
 * 3) The human anatomy - unless a stub is created for this, or it can be classified as something else (example, biochemistry stub for proteins, etc)
 * 4) Drugs that are used by humans, eg. 'medicine'
 * 5) Diseases
 * 6) Conditions (that can not be placed elsewhere.  For example, a psychological condition would be more approprately placed into the psychology stub)

The possible branches for this stub could be: Diseases, Drugs

And your suggestion, biochemistry. -- AllyUnion (talk) 01:11, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Science Stubs Quick Guide
All of the different pages on stubs have lots of information (e.g. Template messages/Stubs), although for any complete list I would add an extra column that goes to each stub's corresponding category. On the other hand, it would be nice if there was some quick guide that could also be used. I've tried to create a quick guide for just the science stubs as an example of what I think needs to be created. gK &iquest;? 19:59, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Science    Cat. WP++
 * Biology Cat. Tree of Life WP++ [not to be confused with Bio-stub (Biography)]
 * Animal Cat.
 * Plant Cat. WP+
 * Biochemistry Cat.
 * Medicine {{ {|Med-stub}} Cat. WP++
 * Psychology Cat.
 * Astronomy Cat. WP?
 * Astronomers Cat.
 * Chemistry Cat. WP+
 * Geology Cat.  [not to be confused with Geo-stub (Geography)]
 * Physics Cat.
 * Math Cat. WP++
 * Alternative math stub Cat.
 * Mathmatician Cat.
 * Numbers Cat. WP+
 * Knots Cat.
 * Agriculture Cat.
 * Archaeology  Cat. WP+
 * Economics Cat.
 * Philosophy Cat. WP++

Possible other science stubs
 * WikiProject Birds WP+
 * WikiProject Mammals WP?
 * WikiProject Ecology WP+
 * WikiProject Evolutionary biology WP+

Cat.=stub category, WP++=Very Active WikiProject, WP+=Active WikiProject WP-=Inactive WikiProject WP?=Unknown WikiProject status or multiple subprojects

Current Science stubs organization
Science   Sci-stub (6 subcategories, 189 articles)
 * Biology Biosci-stub (2 subcategories, 442 articles)
 * Animal Animal-stub (487 articles)
 * Plant Plant-stub (232 articles)
 * Biochemistry Biochem-stub (70 articles)
 * Medicine Med-stub (434 articles) [not currently under Category:Science stubs]
 * Psychology Psych-stub (30 articles)
 * Astronomy Asto-stub (1 subcategory, 309 articles) (includes astronomers)
 * Astronomers Astronomer-stub (13 articles) (under Astronomy stubs) [also People stub]
 * Chemistry Chem-stub (211 articles)
 * Geology Geol-stub (99 articles)
 * Physics Phys-stub (193 articles)
 * Math Math-stub (262 articles) (includes mathmaticians) [not currently in Category:Science stubs]
 * Alternative Math stub User:msh210/ms (14 articles) (under Math stubs)
 * Mathmatician mathbiostub (9 articles) (under Math stubs) [also People stub]
 * Numbers Num-stub (29 articles) [not currently under Category:Math stubs]
 * Knots Knot-stub (32 articles) [not currently under Category:Math stubs, although listed in Template messages/Stubs/Math]
 * Agriculture Agri-stub (19 articles) [not currently under Category:Science stubs]
 * Archaeology Archaeology-stub (57 articles) [Currently in Category:Historical stubs but not Category:Science stubs]
 * Economics econ-stub 54 articles [not currently under Category:Science stubs]
 * Philosophy philo-stub (27 articles) [not currently under Category:Science stubs]

Information from late 29 December 2004 PST
 * Category:Science stubs
 * Template messages/Stubs/Science
 * Template messages/Stubs/Math
 * Template_messages/Stubs/People

Biochemistry isn't a stub of biology. If there's some compelling reason to put it anywhere deeper than Science stubs, then it goes in chemistry. --jag123 03:39, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hong-Kong-stub and HK-stub?
I posted this comment at Wikipedia talk:Template messages/Stubs, but since this page seems to be where most of the attention is lately, I've copied it here as well.

Template:HK-stub redirects to Template:Hong-Kong-stub. All the articles with the HK-stub properly show Category:Hong Kong-related stubs, but when you go to Category:Hong Kong-related stubs, that page doesn't show any of the articles with the HK-stub. Is this a bug, or should one of the Hong Kong stub templates be deleted, with all the articles moved over to the other template? (Thank goodness there aren't too many articles using either template (see, and several of those articles should be moved to the template:Hong-Kong-geo-stub if things do get moved.) gK &iquest;? 03:13, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * That's a bug with categories; I think you have to resave each page for it to show up in the new category. --SPUI (talk) 20:39, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Islam, Christianity, Palestine, and Taiwan stubs
Last night I found that there already exist the following stubs: ,,  , and .

None of them had their corresponding stub categories, although I've now created the Category:Islam-related stubs for the Islam stub. In taking a quick look at Category:Religion stubs, it looks like a large percentage of them could be moved to the Islam stub. Also, if you do a Google site search for Islam+stub, there are a fair number of plain stubs that could also be converted into Islam stubs. It also looks like a good percentage of Category:Substubs may also be Islam stubs. In fact, my guess is that a fully populated Islam stub category might be rather large, so it might be a good idea to create a few subcategories now. I was thinking that an Islam-bio-stub would be a very good one to create, and possibly an Islam-geo-stub to be filled with articles like Islam in Canada. Other than creating some subcategories, I think that the Islam stub is ready to go "live".

On the other hand, I do wonder about the fish symbol for the Christianity stub. Although the Ichthys has been used as a minor symbol for Christianity for a long time (since the Roman catacombs?), at least here in the US the symbol has become fairly strongly associated with conservative born again Christian groups, so I think that image is potentially controversial and not neutral. It may be best to have a Christianity stub without any image at all. gK &iquest;? 03:13, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Geo-stubs
For those of you not aware of what's been going on with the geography stubs, around the end of last year I noticed that there were 4200 geo-stubs unsorted in one large category - far too many to reasonably expect anyone to go through it looking for one region's stubs. Since then I've been creating subcategories (latterly with the help of User:Aranel and a couple of others), and there are now some 30 country or region-specific subcategories, and only about 850 non-subcategorised geo-stubs. I'm now sifting through the 2400 items in Category: Stub, looking for more. As far as I'm aware, all the countries which had over 40 geo-stubs now have subcategories. Several with no subcategory have over 30 stubs (Finland, Czech Rep, Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary, and Romania). Although I can see sense in continuing further, this seems as reasonable a place to slow down with the creation of new categories as any.

As things stand, people can still simply use the Template:Geo-stub or can use the subcategories. A simple sift through Category:Geography stubs moving things into the subcategories every couple of weeks should keep it at a useable level. Grutness|hello? 07:03, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Adding Stub Categories
I don't really understand the directions for creating new stub categories, so I'm reluctant to try my hand at that just yet. Even so, I've put category-stubs on a fair number of stub articles in the A's and B's today, and I saw the following possible-tags to go among the things we've got:


 * A general Culture tag, including
 * fashion
 * dance
 * drama
 * slang terms (currently I'm moving them to lang-stub)
 * children's literature
 * A general Transport tag, including
 * a Public-Transport tag
 * among the Science tags,
 * an Anatomy tag
 * a Mycology tag
 * an ocean-studies tag
 * In the Religion tags,
 * a Buddhism tag
 * a Pagan tag
 * In the Region tags,
 * a general Europe tag
 * a general South America tag
 * a Balkans tag
 * a Baltic-States tag
 * a Middle East tag
 * A general Education tag, including:
 * the existing school tag
 * the existing University tag
 * In the Technology section, a
 * tools tag

A general reorganization of Region tags in general might be very useful -- Each continent country could have a geo tag, a gov tag, a cult(ure) tag, a trans(port) tag, and a tech tag to help sort articles faster.

These are just suggestions -- not trying to rock the boat. Andrew Watt 04:24, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I realise it's no help for general articles, but as far as geographical places are concerned there is already South America geo-stub (SouthAm-geo-stub), and many of the countries of the Balkans have their own geo-stubs, too. For a full list of geo-stubs, see the top of Category:Geography stubs). As for ocean studies there is an ocean-stub (oceanography stubs).


 * Another stub tag that would be useful is politician-stub, since many of the bio-stubs seem to be politicians. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 12:06, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Geo-stubs - a quick run-down
I see that one of the items on this page is a quick summary of science stubs. Since there's been a lot of subdividing in the geo-stubs, I thought I'd add the same here.

The following countries or regions have separate geo stubs, all of the form "Countryname-geo-stub":
 * Afghanistan, Africa, Albania, Antarctica, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Caribbean, Caucasus, China*, Croatia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea*, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Oceania, Pakistan, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Turkey, and Ukraine.

Thus, for a stub relating to a place in France, say, you would use. Note that China-geo-stub can be used for both Chinas, mainland and Taiwan, and Korea-geo-stub can be used for both halves of that divided peninsula.

In addition, the following countries use an abbreviation or variant on their names in the same way:
 * Bosnia-Herzegovina (BiH-geo-stub)
 * Central America (CentralAm-geo-stub)
 * Central Asia (CAsia-geo-stub)
 * Czech Republic (Czechia-geo-stub)
 * Hong Kong (Hong-Kong-geo-stub) (note the hyphen)
 * Middle East (MEast-geo-stub)
 * New Zealand (NZ-geo-stub)
 * Serbia-Montenegro (SM-geo-stub)
 * South America (SouthAm-geo-stub)
 * Southeast Asia (SEAsia-geo-stub)
 * United Kingdom (UK-geo-stub)
 * United States (US-geo-stub)

There are also separate stubs for the following:
 * Buildings and structures (struct-stub) (e.g., bridges, towers, etc - may be used in conjunction with country or region geo-stubs)
 * Cities (city-stub) (this one seems to be rarely used and the country or region geo-stub is preferable if one exists)
 * Geographical terms (geo-term-stub) (e.g., landforms, terms used in mapping or climate studies)
 * Oceanography (Ocean-stub) (this can be used for the likes of ocean currents and open ocean submarine features)

The general still works, it simply means a little more work for someone else later! Grutness|hello? 12:00, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Last two geo-stubs (hopefully) - "catch-all" categories
The generic geo-stubs are down to a mere handful now (less that 1% of the number there were two months ago!. The last two geo-stub categories are catch-alls: Euro-geo-stub and Asia-geo-stub, for all articles in parts of Europe and Asia not otherwise covered (unless, of course, you want me to make a Liechtenstein-geo-stub :). Grutness|hello?  02:59, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Although they wouldn't be a "true" geo-stub, do we need a stub for micronations? I haven't looked for any, but I imagine that there are probably enough of them with the stub and substub templates that a micronation-stub would be needed. BlankVerse 09:08, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I don't think I've found a single micronation stub! Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 12:59, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Another hopefully useful new stub
Another hopefully useful new stub template added: Template:Rocket-stub, for articles on Rocketry and/or Spacecraft. Grutness|hello? 10:51, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

another
Template:NYCS stub for New York City Subway stubs, which were being inconsistently sorted as rail or US-geo. --SPUI (talk) 03:58, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

illustrators
There are two possible places for stubs about illustrators of books: writer- or artist-. I suspect that people who know about writers will know about illustrators, whereas people who know about artists will not; if I'm right about that, then illustrators belong under writer-. But I really don't know whether I'm right. (If writer- does include illustators, then the text of the template should be modified accordingly, of course.)  &mdash;msh210 18:47, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * It's not as to "who" should find them, but "where" they should logically go. Illustrators go under artists (rarely do they only do illustration AFAIK), and that's where I'm expecting them. At best(or is that worse?), they can be a subcat under both. --Circeus 19:09, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)


 * I disagree. I think it is a question of who should find them. That's the purpose of categorizing stubs (as I see it, at least): to allow them to be more easily expanded. No?  &mdash;msh210 19:27, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't think someone actively looking for illustrator stubs (!) would be looking under writer stubs. I'd personnally check over Category:Illustrators for stub articles, which would be an easier way (since illustration might include things like journals and magazine covers), while illustrators would be drowned away within either writer or artist stubs anyway. Wikipedia stub sorting should be logical, not analogical. The project could potentially list "see also" categories for stub categories, though. --Circeus 19:36, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

Current stub templates listed for deletion:
10 February 2004: These are the current stubs listed for deletion at WP:TFD:


 * Duplicate stubs: Template:us-geo-stub (duplicate of Template:US-geo-stub), Template: Car-stub (duplicate of Template:Auto-stub)
 * Obsolete stubs: Template: City-stub
 * Joke stubs: Template:Cowstub, Template:Stub-sorting-stub

Current TFD policy is to delete a template after seven days if there is consensus to delete, or there are no objections (although User:Netoholic is trying to get that shortened to 5 days&mdash;see ). To be on the safe side, WP:TFD should probably be checked every 3-4 days, and any new templates that show up there should be listed here. BlankVerse 08:51, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * All of these except the two joke stubs are listed above (with details of how the votes appear to be going) here. Car-stub is now a redirect, so it is no longer in the probable-deletions, although its former category has been deleted. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 09:12, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

film-stub, movie-stub, mov-stub
There is a notice on the Category:Movie stubs listing that indicates mov-stub and movie-stub are deprecated in favor of film-stub. At odds with this (perhaps) is that the Category:Film stubs does not exist. If film-stub is the preferred of the three, could the table @ Stub_categories be updated to reflect this? With respect to Category:Film stubs, I created a redirect page to Movie stubs ... but that might not have been a good thing to do, I'm not sure. Thanks for the input & advice. Courtland 04:13, 2005 Feb 11 (UTC)


 * Personally, I'm in favour of film, simply because that's the word I use for the things, but movie is widely used, too. I see no reason why both couldn't be used. Why there's a third (mov), though, I don't know, especially since the name makes me think more of transportation. I got a bit tangled there. What I was trying to say was that any organisation is fine by me, as long as you don't get rid of either the film-stub or movie-stub, both of which are likely to be in use by stub sorters (I tend to use film-stub)  Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 13:14, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * template likely redirect(ed) to Movie stubs, I assume. At worse, redirect mov- and movie-stubs to it. --Circeus 12:58, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * They have been redirected for awhile. -- AllyUnion (talk) 15:03, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Stubs for recorded narrative
I recently stubbed a comedy album to under the justification that I would have stubbed thusly if it had been a comedic book rather than a recording. The item in question is I_Think_We're_All_Bozos_on_This_Bus. What do you think .. appropriate? Courtland 05:37, 2005 Feb 12 (UTC)
 * not album-stub? Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]]
 * D'oh! You are right, Grutness. I'll make it so. Courtland 17:47, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)
 * Are their enough stubs for a humor-stub? BlankVerse  &empty;  13:55, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

City-stub is an ex-stub
...it has ceased to be, etc etc etc. Please use geo-stub or (preferably) the relevant region-specific geo-stub instead. Grutness|hello? 00:27, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm curious -- if a stub ceases to be, are all of the items stubbed to that altered automatically so they contain a general-stub, or do they retain the defunct stub template? If the latter, then they'd seem to disappear from our rader, would they not? Courtland 02:52, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC)


 * Tenmplates (and, similarly, categories) cannot be deleted unless they have been cleared of all articles in the first place. --Circeus 18:23, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)