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Proposals, November 2008
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Split
Currently 1,107 stubs. Rapidly increasing. Split by party? The only problem I see is that one party in France seems to have the largest proportion of politicians. However, many of the other parties will undoubtedly have over 60 stubs Count Blofeld   11:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Propose the following and creation of categories where viable.
 * FN-politician-stub (National Front)
 * UMP-politician-stub (UnionforFrenchDemocracy) (this is the biggy with the highest number in)
 * FrenchSocialist-politician-stub
 * MNR-politician-stub (NationalRepublicanMovement)
 * MPF-politician-stub (Movement for France)
 * FrenchLiberal-politician-stub
 * ModernLeft-politician-stub
 * PCF-politician-stub (French Communist Party)

Naturally there are other parties but these seem to be the main parties. Probably they could be abbreviated but it might conflict with other parties which use the same initials from other countries. The main parties in France are shown here Count Blofeld   11:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a quick comment on the proposed naming. Given that potentially every country in the world at some point might require categories for each of its political parties, why not prefix the category name with the three letter country code - eg. FRA for France in this case, DEU for Germany, GBR for UK, etc.  Thus categories would be:


 * FRA-politician-FN-stub (National Front)
 * FRA-politician-UMP-stub (UnionforFrenchDemocracy)
 * FRA-politician-Socialist-stub
 * FRA-politician-MNR-stub (NationalRepublicanMovement)
 * FRA-politician-MPF-stub (Movement for France)
 * FRA-politician-Liberal-stub
 * FRA-politician-ModernLeft-stub
 * FRA-politician-PCF-stub (French Communist Party)
 * Paul (talk) 16:17, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say using the whole name, I.E. France-politician-Socialist-stub is a better idea as it matches the current France-politician-stub.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 21:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree - France-... is far better than FRA-.... Grutness...wha?  22:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. But is "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" far better than "PRK" or "Bosnia and Herzogovenia" better than "BIH"?  The 3 letter ISO codes would have been a far more consistent choice for the category naming and much clearer in the long run.  However, given that the decision on the parent category name is already made, I'll reluctantly agree.  Shame it wasn't better named to start with... Paul (talk) 06:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are better (or at least, the standard stub names for those two countries are), since they fit with the current pattern and are non-ambiguous. They're "NorthKorea" and "BosniaHerzegovina" in all other stub templates that use them. As for ISO 3 letter codes, remember that many stub templates are divided not just by nation, but also by subnational region, and also along other axes which also have recognisable abbreviations. As such, they would definitely not have been far clearer in the long run. Consider the potential problems with LBR-politician-stub, SEN-politician-stub, IND-politician-stub... or consider POL-poli-stub and GEO-geo-stub. Even something as simple as COD-stub, COM-stub, MAC-stub, ARM-stub, or ESP-stub has potential for major confusion. We actually did run into problems several years ago before the names were formalised with PNG-stub, which was changed for the exact reason of confusion between a graphics format and a country. Grutness...wha?  21:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
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Split of
Yikes over 2600 articles in this category! Wasn't this proposed a short while ago? Its seems familiar. Needs urgent attention  Count Blofeld   20:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC) Counts... I have a whole ton of them.
 * Back in June there were two types approved, cannabinoids and anxiolytics. Anything else look viable? Her Pegship  (tis herself) 22:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * 622
 * 505
 * 344
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 * 169
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Several of these are likely to overlap, possibly heavily. Not an area it's easy to get reliable counts for, much less to do much in the way of bot-sorting. Alai (talk) 04:41, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Holy hallucinogens, Batman!! Support any or all of the above. Her Pegship  (tis herself) 17:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Update: I went ahead and created the anxiolytic and cannabinoid types. Her Pegship  (tis herself) 18:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
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Split of
735 articles, likely to increase considerably given that an editor is currently expanding. By decade births? Create upmerged templates by decade and split where viable?

Count Blofeld  23:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't we normally split politician stubs by political party? Grutness...wha?  00:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup. Alai (talk) 03:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah I thought that would make more sense, but seieng how Norway was done I assumed this was the convention without thinking about the others. How many parties are there? Count Blofeld   12:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There is already AustralianGreens-politician-stub and Australia-National-politician-stub which categorise into the root category. Why not set up subcategories for those two, as see how far it gets you. Hesperian 22:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A better idea would be to try to get them to 60 stubs first - neither are there, though the National one is close. I'd definitely support the creation of a Australia-Labor-party-stub (yes, that's the correct spelling for the AU political party, though ghu alone knows why), Australia-Liberal-party-stub, and possibly Australia-Country-party-stub.Grutness...wha?  22:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There is already Australia-Labor-politician-stub and Australia-Liberal-politician-stub, and they are already categorising into subcategories of Category:Australian politician stubs, and the parent category still has 742 members. From a random sampling of the first page, it would appear that a great many entries are for members of state legislatures. Would NewSouthWales-politician-stub work? Hesperian 00:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. The answer to your "Labor/Labour" mystery can be found at King O'Malley. Hesperian 00:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
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Split of
Approaching 750. Needs stub sorting. Count Blofeld   11:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Any suggestions of how to split? By country of origin? Subject matter? The only one we have so far is by subject matter - if we continue along those lines perhaps templates for nature-documentary-film-stub, history-documentary-film-stub, and bio-documentary-film-stub may be worth considering. Grutness...wha?  22:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * We have hist-documentary-stub and bio-documentary-stub. Her Pegship  (tis herself) 23:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops - didn't notice them. The nature one's still a good idea though, IMO. Perhaps this is more a case of sorting (i.e., the "To do" list) than further splitting? Grutness...wha?  23:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Those seem to be for more than just documentary films (hence their not being sub-types), so that would be shuffling them sideways, and/or double-stubbing them, rather than sorting per se. Alai (talk) 01:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * They were originally created to cover both tv and film. If the film types are created as above, then the current types should be renamed tv-foo-documentary-stub to clarify the difference. Her Pegship  (tis herself)  01:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Or in one case, docs of all sorts, including radio. So, renaming would also mean resorting them.  On the other hand, would there be enough to split into two types?  Best thing might to be to create an additional upmerged template for now, and revisit the split into films and others at a later date.  Alai (talk) 16:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Is by decade out of the question? Count Blofeld   21:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
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A few new hospital templates
I was surprised to find, while writing out an SFD, that there is no PRChina-hospital-stub type. In fact, we seem to have very few hospital-stub subtypes at all. It's not in the urgent stage yet (closing in on 500 stubs), but upmerged types at least will be useful preemptively. I'd like to propose the following:


 * Asia-hospital-stub
 * PRChina-hospital-stub
 * Europe-hospital-stub
 * Africa-hospital-stub
 * Oceania-hospital-stub
 * SouthAm-hospital-stub
 * CentralAm-hospital-stub
 * Caribbean-hospital-stub
 * Canada-hospital-stub

plus any for any other countries that look reasonable, and categories for any continent/region that reaches 60. Grutness...wha?  01:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I proposed this a while back.  Count Blofeld   22:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
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Balearics-geo-stub
At a quick glance, a large number of the unsubcategorised Spain-geo-stubs seem to be for places in the Balearic Islands. We have a generic Balearics-stub, but no geo-equivalent. CatScan suggests at least 45 articles could be marked with such a template - of course, if the totals 15 higher than that, a category would also be useful... Grutness...wha?  11:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Support However, I'd upmerge templates for Majorca-geo-stub, Minorca-geo-stub and Ibiza-geo-stub and feed them into a  instead. Majorca may be even be viable for its own category. Count Blofeld  22:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a bad idea at that - or perhaps Balearics-geo-stub with three redirects for specific islands may be better. I'd think the category should probably be at, BTW. Grutness...wha?  22:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
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subgenres
Oversized, several existing subgenre types. and now appear to be viable. Alai (talk) 02:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support, power metal was passed in june and concievably doom could also be speedied based on the discussion. Waacstats (talk) 23:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
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