Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2011/December

Proposals, December 2011
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US-comics-artist-stub
I would like to create a US-comics-artist-stub, in order to properly sort articles for American comic book artists. There are many that fall into more than one stub category, and this stub template would eliminate the need to place multiple stub tags on the same article. The corresponding Category:American comics artist stubs, would easily be populated by articles currently marked with comics-artist-stub (159 articles, most of which are Americans) and US-comics-creator-stub (226 articles, many that are strictly artists). Fortdj33 (talk) 23:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Template no problem, category iff 60 articles use the template. SeveroTC 10:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If even a fraction of those two categories are sorted into Category:American comics artist stubs, there will still be over a hundred articles that fall into that category, so there's no doubt that the category will be populated.
 * However, in the interest of better organizing and categorizing stubs and stub categories in Category:Comics creator stubs, I've noticed a couple more sub-categories that could stand to be created:
 * cartoonist-stub The corresponding category would be easily populated from Category:Comics creator stubs (over 500 articles) and Category:Cartoonists (almost 1000 articles including sub-categories). Since a number of these are American, a US-cartoonist-stub could also be created, and Category:American cartoonist stubs would be populated from the aforementioned Category:Cartoonist stubs, plus articles that have been incorrectly moved to Category:American comics creator stubs (247 articles).
 * Europe-comics-artist-stub, with Category:European comics artist stubs as a sub-category of Europe-comics-creator-stub, since about half of the articles in Category:European comics creator stubs (167 articles) are about artists.
 * Fortdj33 (talk) 16:44, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Barring any major objections, I will create US-comics-artist-stub, cartoonist-stub and US-cartoonist-stub, so that the articles in Category:Comics creator stubs can be sorted respectively. The corresponding sub-categories will also be populated by stub articles in Category:American comics artists, Category:Cartoonists, and Category:American cartoonists as well. Fortdj33 (talk) 17:51, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Split/templates for
Non-European countries, the following two categories look viable: The following templates (double upmerged to national sportspeople bio stubs cat) also look viable, I'll leave categories for now though and come back if they nudge 60: As below, the category is already split by nationality so all speediable S2. SeveroTC 13:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * (Canada-autoracing-bio-stub 74)
 * (Japan-autoracing-bio-stub 63)
 * Argentina-autoracing-bio-stub (43)
 * Australia-autoracing-bio-stub (49)
 * Brazil-autoracing-bio-stub (43)
 * Mexico-autoracing-bio-stub (25)
 * NewZealand-autoracing-bio-stub (21)
 * SouthAfrica-autoracing-bio-stub (22)

Split of
SeveroTC 13:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * (87; double upmerged to )
 * Europe-rally-bio-stub
 * France-rally-bio-stub (17; double upmerged to )
 * UK-rally-bio-stub (17; double upmerged to )

Upmerged templates for
The following all look feasible on currently tagged articles, maybe a few more lurking out there untagged as yet: As above, the category already has some splits by nationality so it's speediable S2. SeveroTC 13:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Belgium-autoracing-bio-stub (30)
 * Netherlands-autoracing-bio-stub (22)
 * Portugal-autoracing-bio-stub (20)
 * Spain-autoracing-bio-stub (24)
 * Sweden-autoracing-bio-stub (31)
 * Switzerland-autoracing-bio-stub (32)

Speedy request. To pick up aero-1910s-stub. 62 articles. Dawynn (talk) 14:55, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Speedy request. To pick up aero-1920s-stub. 73 articles. Dawynn (talk) 14:39, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Additions to
The following countries seem to be ready for their own music biography stub categories: Dawynn (talk) 10:57, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * / Belgium-music-bio-stub
 * Belgium-conductor-stub (9 P)
 * / Croatia-music-bio-stub
 * Croatia-composer-stub (17 P)
 * Croatia-conductor-stub (2 P)
 * Croatia-musician-stub (11 P)
 * Croatia-singer-stub (33 P)
 * / CzechRepublic-music-bio-stub
 * CzechRepublic-conductor-stub (16 P)
 * / Denmark-music-bio-stub
 * Denmark-conductor-stub (11 P)
 * / Finland-music-bio-stub
 * Finland-conductor-stub (8 P)
 * / France-music-bio-stub
 * France-conductor-stub (29 P)
 * / Germany-music-bio-stub
 * / Greece-music-bio-stub
 * Greece-composer-stub (30 P)
 * Greece-conductor-stub (3 P)
 * / Hungary-music-bio-stub
 * Hungary-conductor-stub (11 P)
 * / Ireland-music-bio-stub
 * Ireland-composer-stub (21 P)
 * Ireland-conductor-stub (1 P)
 * / Netherlands-music-bio-stub
 * Netherlands-conductor-stub (17 P)
 * / Norway-music-bio-stub
 * Norway-conductor-stub (9 P)
 * / Portugal-music-bio-stub
 * / Spain-music-bio-stub
 * Spain-conductor-stub (11 P)
 * / Sweden-music-bio-stub
 * Sweden-conductor-stub (4 P)
 * / Switzerland-music-bio-stub
 * Switzerland-conductor-stub (18 P)
 * Hungary-conductor-stub (11 P)
 * / Ireland-music-bio-stub
 * Ireland-composer-stub (21 P)
 * Ireland-conductor-stub (1 P)
 * / Netherlands-music-bio-stub
 * Netherlands-conductor-stub (17 P)
 * / Norway-music-bio-stub
 * Norway-conductor-stub (9 P)
 * / Portugal-music-bio-stub
 * / Spain-music-bio-stub
 * Spain-conductor-stub (11 P)
 * / Sweden-music-bio-stub
 * Sweden-conductor-stub (4 P)
 * / Switzerland-music-bio-stub
 * Switzerland-conductor-stub (18 P)
 * / Spain-music-bio-stub
 * Spain-conductor-stub (11 P)
 * / Sweden-music-bio-stub
 * Sweden-conductor-stub (4 P)
 * / Switzerland-music-bio-stub
 * Switzerland-conductor-stub (18 P)
 * / Sweden-music-bio-stub
 * Sweden-conductor-stub (4 P)
 * / Switzerland-music-bio-stub
 * Switzerland-conductor-stub (18 P)
 * / Switzerland-music-bio-stub
 * Switzerland-conductor-stub (18 P)
 * Switzerland-conductor-stub (18 P)
 * Support. SeveroTC 10:22, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

European bridge (structure) stubs
To add to, categories iff 60: Speediable S2. SeveroTC 09:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * France-bridge-struct-stub //
 * Germany-bridge-struct-stub //
 * Italy-bridge-struct-stub //
 * Sweden-bridge-struct-stub //
 * Support templates. Support categories if filled. Dawynn (talk) 00:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

European airport stubs
To add to, templates and iff 60 categories: Speediable S2. SeveroTC 19:28, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Germany-airport-stub //
 * Greece-airport-stub //
 * Italy-airport-stub //
 * Poland-airport-stub //
 * Serbia-airport-stub //
 * Spain-airport-stub //
 * Sweden-airport-stub //
 * Ukraine-airport-stub //
 * Support templates, categories if filled. Dawynn (talk) 00:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

General request for geologic period stub types
I was hoping no one would object to me creating a stub type for each different geologic period (eg Triassic-stub, Jurassic-stub, Cretaceous-stub). I stopped counting how many articles would be in the Triassic stub type at about 200. Each other period can be expected to have several hundred members. Abyssal (talk) 22:08, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Triassic has 551 stubs, Jurassic has 628, Cretaceous has over 1000. Looking farther back, the Permian has 350. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:20, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And 205 for the Carboniferous, 336 for the Devonian, 133 for the Silurian, 311 for the Ordovician, and 595 for the Cambrian. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not (at Jurassic-stub, etc) with cats iff 60 (which looks definite). What category would  etc be placed into? SeveroTC 22:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Paleontology stubs. Abyssal (talk) 05:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Maths Stubs sub-sub-categories
Several of the subcategories of math-stub have gotten quite large, especially since there is plenty more in the parent category still to sort. I've done some counts (listed on my user page), and it looks like:
 * algebra-stub (~400) could easily be subdivided in algebra-abstract-stub (~250) and algebra-linear-stub (~70). algebra-abstract-stub could then further be split into algebra-group-stub with ~150 articles part of the Group theory category, or maybe even further.
 * geometry-stub has over 600 articles, over a hundred each of which could be in geometry-diff-stub or geometry-elementary-stub
 * It would be good to sort out the stubs not directly on maths from math-stub - There are already sub-types for mathematicians, literature, and journals, but there are ~40 articles in math-stub which are organisations, awards, programs or conferences. I can't think of a category name, but I'd like to collect these together, possibly with the literature stubs as a child of this.
 * crypto-stub has about 50 people in it. Should these go into a new crypto-bio or be sorted into the mathematician-stub tree? --Qetuth (talk) 03:18, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * (almost forgot) knot-theory-stub as a subcategory of topology-stub (~240). There are at least 50 knot-theory stubs, most in topology stub, but a few incorrectly added to knot-stub --Qetuth (talk) 03:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This all looks good, nice work :) My comments are:
 * I would name most of the templates in the opposite order, so abstract-algebra-stub, linear-algebra-stub, group-algebra-stub, differential-geometry‎-stub (diff is surely ambiguous?), elementary-geometry-stub.
 * crypto-bio-stub sounds like a good idea, with a category if exceeding 60 articles. Should it also be upmeged to ?
 * They almost all follow perm cats, so the stub cats should be named in the format [Perm cat stubs].
 * SeveroTC 15:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I was following the lead of stubs like mathapplied-stub and mathanalysis-stub, but they definitely sound better the right way around to match the content. Would group-theory-stub be a better name for the Group theory stubs than the other suggestions then? (ie, is it considered better to have a clear link to it's parent stub, or to its topic category?)
 * And most cryptographers in my experience identify as computer scientists not mathematicians, so I like that idea too. --Qetuth (talk) 16:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't quite follow about group theory. "Theory" stubs in general are either at for example gametheory-stub (all one word) or music-theory-stub (two words). It maybe better to go with {tl|knottheory-stub}} because otherwise it could be seen to be a theory of knots... I will also look at taking mathapplied-stub and mathanalysis-stub to WP:SFD because they should use the -math- stem. SeveroTC 10:38, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I was unclear. What I meant was: Group theory is the name of the field of study, a subfield of Abstract Algebra. So if you purely use the name Group theory for the stubs, as is done with the actual categories, the connection to either Abstract Algebra or to Maths isn't clear from just the name, and I wondered if that was something to be avoided where possible. But I think grouptheory-stub and knottheory-stub are probably the best names for those two stub types regardless - it matches the category/topic name but doesn't make them look a subset of 'group' or 'knot'. Actually in the whole tree of 33 subcateogries of "math-stub", only one starts with "math-" although as you said a few more should (mathlogic-stub and mathematics-lit-stub are two more). --Qetuth (talk) 13:04, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Lacking any voice against, I have created abstract-algebra-stub, linear-algebra-stub, differential-geometry‎-stub, elementary-geometry-stub complete with categories and populated them up to 70-160 articles each. I'll do the stubs (but not cats) for the smaller two tomorrow (crypto-bio-stub and knottheory-stub). --Qetuth (talk) 16:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Luge and bobsleigh bios templates
The following seem worthwhile, upmerged for now as they will take just over 30: Any objections to speedy? SeveroTC 13:49, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * US-luge-bio-stub
 * Russia-luge-bio-stub
 * Canada-bobsleigh-bio-stub
 * France-bobsleigh-bio-stub

Hip hop biography stubs
The upmerged Hiphop-bio-stub has reached 189 transclusions: speedy. SeveroTC 13:22, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Italian music biography stubs
From Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting, create: To hold: Should be speediable as we already have cats for Austria, Poland, the UK and the US. Possibly there's quite a few other countries this structure would work for; I will add looking into it to my list (which has been bloated by ). SeveroTC 13:01, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Italy-music-bio-stub (25 P)
 * / Italy-composer-stub
 * / Italy-musician-stub
 * Italy-conductor-stub (upmerge) (39 P)

Split by county, there's over 1500.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:55, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Definitely and speediable. SeveroTC 21:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Already approved. No need to ask a second time.

Jazz-venue-stub
Have tried to use this a lot.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. SeveroTC 18:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Marvel Comics superhero stub
I would like to create a stub Marvel-hero-stub, which would place articles into Category:Marvel Comics superhero stubs. This would tie in with the current stub categories for Marvel-title-stub and Marvel-villain-stub. This new stub class would be easily populated, as most of the articles in Category:Marvel Comics stubs are about superheroes, and quite a number of the articles in Category:Marvel Comics superheroes are stubs. Fortdj33 (talk) 02:52, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Something grates in me about this: in the first place we probably would have been better with a Marvel-char-stub - although the numbers probably support separate hero and villain cats. That said, the -hero- stem is as good as -villain- stem and the numbers probably support it (though don't build the cat until the template is used 60 times) so I can support it. SeveroTC 18:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * While I can see the initial advantage of having a Marvel-char-stub, I'm not sure that it wouldn't eventually need to be divided into sub categories anyway. There are over 1,000 articles in Category:Marvel Comics superheroes, and a couple hundred of them are stubs. Therefore, if the superhero stubs from Category:Marvel Comics stubs are added in, Category:Marvel Comics superhero stubs would be similar to Category:Marvel Comics supervillain stubs, which currently has 354 articles in it. I would be OK with Marvel-villain-stub being renamed to Marvel-char-stub, and then all the character stub articles being added to Category:Marvel Comics character stubs, but that will make for one large category, with no distinction between superheroes and supervillains. Fortdj33 (talk) 21:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Are there any characters apart from heroes and villains? If not, I don't really see the point in a Marvel-char-stub as the heroes and villains cats won't exactly be too small. SeveroTC 21:41, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course, comics books have "other characters". These are known as supporting characters.  In the Spider-Man comics alone, examples are: Uncle Ben, Aunt May, J. Jonah Jameson, and Mary Jane Watson, although none of these would classify as stubs.  Stub examples: Lee Forrester, Christian Frost, and Dexter Bennett.
 * I went ahead and created the new stub tag for superheroes, and have started to populate the associated category, by updating stubs from Category:Marvel Comics stubs and Category:Marvel Comics superheroes. As far as the other characters apart from heroes and villains go, I don't believe that there are enough articles to warrant a Marvel-char-stub, so they can just remain in the generic Marvel stubs category for now. Fortdj33 (talk) 19:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Slovenia-novel-stub and
Or is it strictly by genre/period?♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I don't see why not. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:01, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * We have a US-novel-stub so I don't see a reason why not - especially if Slovenia-stub is currently being used on such articles. SeveroTC 18:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)