Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2011/July

Proposals, July 2011
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People from Buskerud
I propose the following: עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * /Buskerud-bio-stub - 215 stubs, including:
 * /Buskerud-politician-stub - 83 stubs, including:
 * Buskerud-mayor-stub - 22 stubs, double upmerged into and.


 * As below I'm not sure about these, I don't particularly like splitting bios by subregion. Waacstats (talk) 06:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ditto as below. Yes to the politicians and mayors, but not the general bios. Grutness...wha?  03:55, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support as below. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:10, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

People from Aust-Agder
I propose the following: עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * /AustAgder-bio-stub - 109 stubs, including
 * AustAgder-politician-stub - 47 stubs, double upmerged into and
 * AustAgder-mayor-stub, double upmerged into and.
 * Again I'm not sure about these, I don't particularly like splitting bios by subregion. Waacstats (talk) 06:48, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Me neither. The politicians and mayors, yes, but not the general bio types. They're probably better by nationality then profession. People move around way too much. Grutness...wha?  03:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I am in favor of splitting biographies by subregion, and have wanted to do so with US states for some time. (I know this is controversial, but I think it would be quite useful.)  Regardless, the politician and mayor stubs would be good. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:09, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Spain-history-stub
I feel this would be very useful for articles on battles and events etc of which there is a massive amount missing.♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:11, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

European rail station stubs
is undersorted, but by CatScan the following should be viable (categories only if 60 which I think will apply to Spain and Latvia):


 * Belgium-railstation-stub
 * Greece-railstation-stub
 * Latvia-railstation-stub
 * Luxembourg-railstation-stub
 * Netherlands-railstation-stub
 * Romania-railstation-stub
 * Russia-railstation-stub
 * Spain-railstation-stub

Ireland-railstation-stub has passed 60 so as a speedy. SeveroTC 14:13, 29 July 2011 (UTC) +Italy-railstation-stub SeveroTC 05:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support all. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

People from Akershus
I propose the following structure for this category: עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:29, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * /Akershus-bio-stub - 371, including
 * /Akershus-politician-stub - 132, including
 * Akershus-mayor-stub, double upmerged into Category:Norwegian mayor stubs (proposed below) and Category:Akershus politician stubs - 42
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about these, I don't particularly like splitting bios by subregion. Waacstats (talk) 06:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Given that is very big (over 2 pages), and  currently needs to be split by century of birth in order not to be, I think that this will make things easier. Note also that we already have similar stub categorization in other sub-national level places, uch as the states of the United States and the provinces of Canada. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:27, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes to the politicians and mayors, no to the general bios. As WS says, we don't generally split standard bios by subnational region - far better to split them by profession unless there's a distinct tie to a location (as there usually is with politicians - constituencies, etc). People just move around far too much. Grutness...wha?  03:54, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Category:Norwegian mayor stubs
I propose creating /Norway-mayor-stub - a quick scan shows 479 stubs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Antarctica VIII: Ross Dependency
Some good news and some bad news. I've just finished sorting the Ross Dependency stubs, and there were a lot of mis-stubbed articles, so it's down to around 900 stubs. This can easily be split into three roughly equal loads by making the following:


 * DufekCoast-geo-stub / (280 stubs)
 * ShackletonCoast-geo-stub / (260 stubs)

The bad news is that a lot of the stubs that were removed have gone into, which has now blown out to 1900 stubs. That's the last section of Antarctica to deal with. One section of it already looks worthwhile:
 * McMurdoDryValleys-geo-stub /  (150 stubs)

Note the plural, this is for the region of the valleys, not just for valleys per se. Grutness...wha?  00:58, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Category:British mayor stubs
I propose the following: How's that? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:59, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * /UK-mayor-stub - 288 stubs, including the subtypes below
 * /England-mayor-stub - 212 stubs
 * Scotland-provost-stub(upmerged template) - 29 (name difference is per permcat name, which appears to be per ENGVAR)
 * Wales-mayor-stub - 3
 * NorthernIreland-mayor-stub - 36
 * Support -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Poland road stubs
Upmerged Poland-road-stub will take 30. SeveroTC 09:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Some splits of
At 900+, this is a pretty large category. A brief scan suggests that the following may at the very least get close to stand-alone cat size: Grutness...wha?  13:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * England-reli-bio-stub /  (iff)
 * England-historian-stub / (iff)
 * England-med-bio-stub / (iff)
 * England-crime-bio-stub / (iff)
 * Support - they can always be pumped up a little, if need be. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:43, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, skip the historian one - it looks to be much smaller than I originally thought. Grutness...wha?  00:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Next time, you could try doing category scans like the ones I always do, which can give you a good idea of the sizes. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah - I normally do. Guess I've been working with the Antarctica stubs too long (most of those I've had to add permcats as I go...) Grutness...wha?  01:26, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Ice hockey stubs
Two upmerged templates for ice hockey: SeveroTC 06:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * icehockey-org-stub (40-50) (upmerged to )
 * icehockey-competition-stub (25-30) (upmerged to ; to cover all competitions that aren't a league as we already have icehockey-league-stub)
 * Support -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Sports event stubs
Category getting largeish, suggest some templates and categories iff 60-article threshold is met: SeveroTC 06:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * handball-competition-stub (30)
 * marathon-stub (80)
 * Support -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Another speedy proposal. This will gather: Dawynn (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Barbados-sport-stub (28 P)
 * (87 P)
 * Barbados-footyclub-stub (10 P)
 * Support speedy. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy Waacstats (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Antarctica VII: Graham Land
I have just sorted all of Graham Lands articles. Not just the stubs (though they make up 95% of the 1500 articles...) Graham Land is now comprehensively divided up into categories by landform and by its nine named coasts. But there are still 1360 stubs in. So... stub types for the following three coasts will beat it down to a better size: ...leaving 700-odd stubs in the "rump" Graham Land category. That will mean that all of Antarctica except the messy Ross Dependency/Victoria Land area are at comfortable stub category sizes! Grutness...wha?  14:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * DancoCoast-geo-stub / (c. 240 stubs)
 * FallièresCoast-geo-stub / (c. 230 stubs)
 * GrahamCoast-geo-stub / (c. 180 stubs)
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:38, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, though I'm sure I remember someone saying they were staying well away from antartica for awhile! We'll get you onto those asteroids yet. Waacstats (talk) 22:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Nowt quite - I said I was going to take a wikibreak once Antarctica was finished. Which it nearly is, thankfully... Grutness...wha?  01:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh - "get you on those asteroids" - heh. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Update - note that - because the main source used for the articles was the USGS guide (which ignores accents) - I've had to hastily change Fallieres to Fallières. The permcat is still at, but I've put it up for CFR. Grutness...wha?  12:11, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Speedy proposal. To pick up the following templates: I would also like approval for the following new template: Because the vast majority of articles tagged with the sport-bio template for Barbados are cricketers. Dawynn (talk) 15:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Barbados-sport-bio-stub (56 P)
 * Barbados-athletics-bio-stub (13 P)
 * Barbados-boxing-bio-stub (1 P)
 * Barbados-footy-bio-stub (8 P)
 * Barbados-swimming-bio-stub (4 P)
 * Barbados-cricket-bio-stub.
 * Support all. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

/ death-metal-album-stub
Speedy proposal. Proposing this as a natural parent, since we already have: Dawynn (talk) 13:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * (479 P)
 * (211 P)
 * (13 P) (clearly undersized, but that's a different issue)
 * Support headbanging. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Split of by order
The following orders of insects do not have individual stub tags. Basing the name off of the permcat name. Few (if any) of these will be large enough for a full category at this time. But will use these for exploration: Dawynn (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Archaeognatha-stub. Perm cat:
 * Embioptera-stub. Perm cat:
 * Flea-stub. Perm cat:
 * Louse-stub. Perm cat:
 * Mayfly-stub. Perm cat:
 * Mecoptera-stub. Perm cat:
 * Megaloptera-stub. Perm cat:
 * Neuroptera-stub. Perm cat:
 * Notoptera-stub. Perm cat:
 * Plecoptera-stub. Perm cat:
 * Psocoptera-stub. Perm cat:
 * Raphidioptera-stub. Perm cat:
 * Strepsiptera-stub. Perm cat:
 * Termite-stub. Perm cat:
 * Thrip-stub. Perm cat:
 * Thysanura-stub. Perm cat:
 * Trichoptera-stub. Perm cat:
 * Zoraptera-stub. Perm cat:
 * Support exploration. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:41, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. A little concerned about the mix of common and scientific names, but if that's the way the permcats do it, then it seems OK. Grutness...wha?  10:48, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Translator-stub and
I know this is somewhat nebulous - there are a number of famous writers who have also performed translations (Pushkin, anyone?). Still, a |cursory CatScan suggests that a template and related category would be viable. Thoughts? -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:59, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposal for parent-only category to ease viewing of subcategories in. Similar to, this would be a strictly parent-only category allowing only categories (no upmerge templates). Dawynn (talk) 13:39, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Worth noting: there is a perm cat already: Dawynn (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * May also be worth doing a (permcat );  as a subcat of  and  as a subcat of . SeveroTC 13:57, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support Good idea - as is Severo's addition, which I also support. Grutness...wha?  01:18, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Australian mayor stubs
I propose /Australia-mayor-stub - a quick scan finds 106 stubs here. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:39, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks good - support. Three countries down, 180+ to go ;) Grutness...wha?  10:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Beleive it or not, I'm actually working on it, and finding clear systemic bias - there are typicly few mayor articles for any country in Africa, for example. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Canadian mayor stubs
I propose the following structure for Canadian mayor stubs:


 * - 10 upmerged tags with 307 stubs, 3 subcategories
 * Alberta-mayor-stub (upmerged tag) - 34 stubs
 * /BritishColumbia-mayor-stub - 92 stubs
 * Manitoba-mayor-stub (upmerged tag) - 47 stubs
 * NewBrunswick-mayor-stub (upmerged tag, although likely not for long) - 54 stubs
 * NewfoundlandandLabrador-mayor-stub (upmerged tag) - 23 stubs
 * NorthwestTerritories-mayor-stub (upmerged tag) - 4 stubs
 * NovaScotia-mayor-stub (upmerged tag) - 51 stubs
 * Nunavut-mayor-stub (upmerged tag) - 18 stubs
 * /Ontario-mayor-stub - 436 stubs
 * PrinceEdwardIsland-mayor-stub (upmerged tag) - 20 stubs
 * /Quebec-mayor-stub - 349 stubs
 * Saskatchewan-mayor-stub (upmerged tag) - 51 stubs
 * Yukon-mayor-stub (upmerged tag) - 5 stubs

How's that? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:00, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - that's how that is. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - hope you don't mind but I slightly amended the name of the Alberta one (You'd forgotten the hyphens :) Grutness...wha?  00:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops - just noticed another slight glitch - the one with the long name should just be Newfoundland-mayor-stub, with (if you wish) a redirect at Labrador-mayor-stub. Saves a lot of typing! Grutness...wha?  11:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Split of Category:American mayor stubs by region
, when the relevant stub tags are all created and in use, will have (based on current scans) a total of 780 articles and 40 stub tags (in addition to 10 subcats - including Virginia and Wisconson). I think that such a large category is too big - we should probably split it by region as we have Category:United States building and structure stubs, for example. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. Good idea. Grutness...wha?  01:44, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Germany-magazine-stub
Is it mag or magazine? Anyway I wish to stub List of German magazines...♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - but might not a language-based template be better, perhaps? -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Actualy, I don't think we currently have any stub categories or tags for magazines by language, only by country. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * supprt. Mag-stub seems to be the main stub, so Germany-mag-stub would make sense - but so would a redirect. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support a Germany-mag-stub as a tag, and Germany-magazine-stub as a redirect to it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

American mayor stubs
Given that we already have 3 stub categories for mayors from specific states, and a proposal below to create more, I think we should probably have a category, and a template US-mayor-stub, to contain all these. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I think this could be most useful. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:58, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - but as a parent-category only, with no US-mayor-stub template, as the proposal awaiting closure at the beginning of this month would make it redundant. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Permcat:. Originally proposed back in December 2009. Rejected at the time, because squash-stub contained only 7 articles, despite the existence of. The biography category still exists, and squash-stub now contains 20 articles. Propose making this category to provide a natural structure. Dawynn (talk) 12:20, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:18, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Sports team stubs
Looking at some of the larger sport stubs by country categories, the following should be useful; cats only if 60 are reached; upmerged templates only upmerged to the country cats: SeveroTC 08:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support all. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Would suggest redirects at Foo-sports-team-stub, given that "sports team" is a fairly universal name. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Ottoman-bio-stub,
Category:Ottoman Empire stubs has almost 400 articles, and some half of them (all these Pashas etc) are biographical articles. Given how the coverage of Ottoman-related articles is still low and most of the new ones are stubs, both numbers are likely to rise much further. Constantine  ✍  11:59, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I think this works. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. I'm usually a bit nervy about stub types for former countries, etc, but this one seems to make sense. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  19:53, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * There seems to be no opposition, so I'm creating these now. Thanks for the votes. Constantine  ✍  01:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Category:Buprestidae stubs
This would pick up the 549 articles in Category:Beetle stubs currently there via Buprestidae-stub. Is this a speedy? -GTBacchus(talk) 00:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I think it is, yes. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support speedy. However, it sure would have been nice if whoever tagged the stubs into the family would have also changed the category.  Most of these are perm catted at the superfamily level, with only 23 in the permcat. Dawynn (talk) 22:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Question I changed a lot of these from Beetle-stub to Buprestidae-stub, but I don't understand most of what you said. What do you mean by "permcat"? It was my impression that the template was created in order to tag things and then create the category once there were enough of them. Is that not right? -GTBacchus(talk) 00:30, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I figured it out. Permcat means the ordinary kind of category, not the stub one, and you're saying that a lot of those pages are in Category:Buprestoidea. I see that now. Hmm. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry. "Permcat" is a stub-sorting project term.  In this case,  and  are perm(anent)-cat(egorie)s.  With these taxonomy categories, if there's enough reason to have a stub category (that is, sufficient articles), then there's probably reason enough to have an accompanying permanent category with the same (and hopefully more!) articles as the stub category. Dawynn (talk) 02:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * After reading through my earlier post, I can see much room for confusion. Again, my apologies.  As you deduced, I was just wishing that the Buprestidae articles had been moved into  instead of continuing to sit in .  As far as following the guidelines of the stub-sorting project, you've done everything right in this case, as far as I can see. Dawynn (talk) 02:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Subfamilies of Pterophoridae
The category: Category:Pterophoridae stubs currently contains about 1,330 articles. They're about moths. I suggest creating templates and categories for the following subdivisions of the family: I hope I've included all relevant information. The numbers are rough estimates, except for the first one, which is precise at time of counting. Please let me know if you've got any further questions. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Subfamily Agdistinae - Category:Agdistinae stubs - Agdistinae-stub - (125 stubs)
 * Subfamily Pterophorinae - Category:Pterophorinae stubs - Pterophorinae-stub - (250-300 stubs outside the two tribes below)
 * Tribe Platyptilini - Category:Platyptilini stubs - Platyptilini-stub - (350-400 stubs)
 * Tribe Oidaematophorini - Category:Oidaematophorini stubs - Oidaematophorini-stub - (250-300 stubs)
 * Support all. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:12, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Hockey-season-stub,
Someone has recently been creating a lot of short articles relating to seasons in European hockey. I'm not sure how many off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are enough to warrant creating a stub tag and category. Speaking of which, this weekend I'm going to start trying to work on the European hockey team stubs - there's potential room for some work there. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:22, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Field hockey, ice hockey, or a combination? If only for one it should either be icehockey-season-stub or fieldhockey-season-stub. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * *smack* Ice hockey. Of course - I should remember things like this.  I don't even know what's up with the field hockey stuff, but it would be for ice hockey. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:12, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Requesting speedy build. To pick up Russia-newspaper-stub. 63 articles. Dawynn (talk) 13:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support speedy, tovarish. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

And now for something completely different...
A proposal, but for a change, something other than a stub type. I'm putting it here because it's more likely to get actioned here than a simple comment on the talk page. Stub's talk page starts with two very useful templates - WikiProject Stub sorting and WPSS-talk, which read:


 * " This pagetype is maintained by WikiProject Stub sorting, an attempt to bring some sort of order to Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can choose to improve/expand the articles containing this stub notice, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks."

and


 * "Most of the discussion relating to this and other stub categories occurs at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting. You may wish to consider leaving a note there rather than here."

How often have we seen, at WP:SFD or elsewhere, someone say "this was discussed on the category's talk page"? I think it would be a very good idea if a bot could be used to put these on the talk page of every stub template and category, preferably run regularly so that we ensure it's on all new stub types too.

Any thoughts? Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  07:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This isn't a bad idea - I think it would be a great help. Doesn't even need to be a separate bot - AWB can probably do it just as well. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm for it. Just be careful with the bot.  Not everything that has 'stub' in the name has to do with our project.  For instance, Category:Steubenville Stubs players keeps showing up in several of our lists of all stub categories, even though it has nothing to do with our project.  Evidently, the Steubenville Stubs were some kind of baseball team back in the early 1900's or so.  This category should not be tagged with any WPSS-related templates.  (At this time, this and  are the only non-WPSS "stub" categories that I'm aware of).  May have to somehow blacklist such specific instances to make the bot ignore them.  Dawynn (talk) 23:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

England-newspaper-stub/
I propose creating these - has nearly 400 stubs, and this split would take 170 of them. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Should be just at 60; if not, I'm going to add a couple more tonight so that it gets there. (Shouldn't be more than one or two away.) This will help take care of some of the bloat at. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 22:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

For speedy approval. To pick up US-child-tv-prog-stub, 78 articles. Will subcategorize under: Dawynn (talk) 18:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * . Will drop back under the 800 limit.
 * Support speedy. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 22:01, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Antarctica the sixth (Revenge of the bride of the son of Antarctica)
is still fairly swollen at about 1200 stubs. QML is divided into five regions, and the best-explored two, Princess Astrid Coast and Princess Martha Coast, will probably account for about 400 stubs each. Therefore: ...will finally remove it from the oversized category list! Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  14:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * PrincessMarthaCoast-geo-stub / and
 * PrincessAstridCoast-geo-stub /
 * Support anything that will keep the Queen from being swollen. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Missing splits
These already exist: Propose the following for speedy approval:
 * / Africa-tv-stub. Template built first, used for exploration of topic.  Category to follow if 60 articles found.
 * Would become parent to previously accepted SouthAfrica-tv-stub.
 * / NorthAm-tv-stub. Would become parent to:
 * Template would be used for other North American countries, including Central America and the Caribbean.
 * / Oceania-tv-stub. Would become parent to:
 * Template would be used for TV articles from the smaller islands.
 * Support - yes. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * / Oceania-tv-stub. Would become parent to:
 * Template would be used for TV articles from the smaller islands.
 * Support - yes. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Template would be used for TV articles from the smaller islands.
 * Support - yes. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

textile-artist-stub
Might be useful - as opposed to designer-stub, it could be used for fiber artists, mostly. A cursory glance at suggests that it should be viable. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:09, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Taming the
Looks like the beetle stub category has been growing at an alarming rate. Propose approving family-level templates for all remaining beetle families. Will use the family templates to explore which families could become full categories.

Not all families have separate permcats, or even articles. All of the family names were pulled from List of subgroups of the order Coleoptera:

Dawynn (talk) 16:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support all. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

South Sudan stubs II
SouthSudan-geo-stub is now on use on about 80 articles, so should be speediable. Also looks like the following templates only would be useful: Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * SouthSudan-airport-stub
 * SouthSudan-struct-stub
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:07, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support speedy. Dawynn (talk) 18:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Polish sport team stubs
New template should take around 72 (currently tagged with Poland-sport-stub and something in ), plus Poland-basketball-team-stub to upmerge and as a subcat. Speediable. SeveroTC 11:32, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Poland-sport-team-stub &
 * Support speedy. The football club subcat provides the article numbers, and the basketball team template, and precedence from other countries provides justification for the grouping category. Dawynn (talk) 17:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:07, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

split of
Oversized, already have templates by country and three templates have passed 60, I propose The other one would leave the other parent with about three articles so I'll wait to see if I can find a few more articles for there before proposing that. and anyway the two above will be enough to get it below the 800 mark. Waacstats (talk) 13:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * - Wales-footy-competition-stub
 * - Slovenia-footy-competition-stub
 * Support - Waacstats, maybe there is scope for a separate UEFA competitions template other than just the Europe template which can be used for countries which don't have their own national templates? SeveroTC 15:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

South Sudan stubs
Per previous discussion: South Sudan is now officially independent, and I think it's time we start considering the creation of stub tags. These four for starters, perhaps? I've been using SouthernSudan-stub for a stopgap, though it's no longer accurate. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * SouthSudan-stub
 * SouthSudan-geo-stub
 * SouthSudan-bio-stub
 * SouthSudan-politician-stub
 * SouthernSudan-stub can probably just be renamed and given its own category. The others are a good move, I'd say. Looks like some sorting ahead... Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  03:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Dawynn (talk) 17:27, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Antarctica, part V
Great God - this is an awful place! Finally got this continent just about sorted, though - there are only five categories of Antarctica geo-stubs with over 800 stubs, and of those only two have over 1200: Ross Dependency (1600) and Graham Land (1700). The following should hopefully reduce them considerably: Two of the other three over-large categories (Victoria Land and Queen Maud Land, about 1150 each) aren't easy to split, but South Shetland geography stubs (currently 1020 stubs) can be easily subdivided: ...should each remove about 300 stubs from it. With any luck, that will be just about it for Antarctica, unless I can work out some other Graham Land split! Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  12:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * KingEdwardVIILand-geo-stub / (iff)
 * TrinityPeninsula-geo-stub / (iff)
 * LivingstonIsland-geo-stub / and
 * KingGeorgeIslandAQ-geo-stub / (AQ is the code for Antarctica)
 * Support. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Congrats on getting these down to size. I think anyone who can get the Antarctica cats down to this level can do anything in stub sorting, next stop sorting out  ? Waacstats (talk) 13:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've left that one for you, WS ;) Next stop for me will be a short wikibreak. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:36, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Update - the Edward VII one isn't going to be particularly useful (only about 40 stubs), so it's not really worthwhile. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  08:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

More sport stub templates
With this proposal, every nation of at least 150,000 people will have an approved and. Just in case its decided that its unnecessary for smaller nations, I've broken it down a bit by population. :
 * Population over 1,000,000:
 * CentralAfricanRepublic-sport-bio-stub
 * Chad-sport-bio-stub
 * Palestine-sport-bio-stub
 * Swaziland-sport-bio-stub


 * Population over 500,000:
 * Comoros-sport-bio-stub
 * Solomons-sport-stub
 * Solomons-sport-bio-stub


 * Population over 200,000:
 * Barbados-sport-stub
 * Barbados-sport-bio-stub
 * Vanuatu-sport-stub
 * Vanuatu-sport-bio-stub


 * Population over 150,000:
 * Guam-sport-stub
 * Guam-sport-bio-stub
 * SaintLucia-sport-stub
 * SaintLucia-sport-bio-stub
 * SãoToméPríncipe-sport-bio-stub

Dawynn (talk) 18:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Support all. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Support, and all the other listed sports stub typoes. You're doing good work on sorting the sport stubs, D. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Sports venue templates
With this proposal, all countries with at least 300,000 people will have an approved template for sports venues: Dawynn (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Support all. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:39, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Bolivia-sports-venue-stub
 * Burundi-sports-venue-stub
 * Cambodia-sports-venue-stub
 * CapeVerde-sports-venue-stub
 * CentralAfricanRepublic-sports-venue-stub
 * Chad-sports-venue-stub
 * Comoros-sports-venue-stub
 * Djibouti-sports-venue-stub
 * DominicanRepublic-sports-venue-stub
 * Ecuador-sports-venue-stub
 * Eritrea-sports-venue-stub
 * Gambia-sports-venue-stub
 * GuineaBissau-sports-venue-stub
 * Guyana-sports-venue-stub
 * Haiti-sports-venue-stub
 * Jamaica-sports-venue-stub
 * Madagascar-sports-venue-stub
 * Mauritius-sports-venue-stub
 * Paraguay-sports-venue-stub
 * Senegal-sports-venue-stub
 * Solomons-sports-venue-stub
 * Suriname-sports-venue-stub
 * Trinidad-sports-venue-stub

Another round of sports categories
The following should be speediable:
 * Andorra-sport-bio-stub (17 P)
 * Andorra-athletics-bio-stub (2 P)
 * Andorra-footy-bio-stub (42 P)
 * Mauritius-sport-bio-stub (6 P)
 * (66 P)
 * Mauritius-athletics-bio-stub (4 P)
 * Mauritius-boxing-bio-stub (2 P)
 * Mauritius-judo-bio-stub (1 P)
 * Mauritius-tennis-bio-stub (1 P)
 * Mongolia-sport-bio-stub (5 P)
 * Mongolia-archery-bio-stub (2 P)
 * Mongolia-athletics-bio-stub (2 P)
 * Mongolia-boxing-bio-stub (7 P)
 * Mongolia-footy-bio-stub (6 P)
 * Mongolia-judo-bio-stub (11 P)
 * Mongolia-Olympic-medalist-stub (15 P)
 * Mongolia-wrestling-bio-stub (18 P)
 * RCongo-sport-bio-stub (3 P)
 * RCongo-athletics-bio-stub (2 P)
 * RCongo-basketball-bio-stub (8 P)
 * RCongo-footy-bio-stub (62 P)
 * RCongo-sport-bio-stub (3 P)
 * RCongo-athletics-bio-stub (2 P)
 * RCongo-basketball-bio-stub (8 P)
 * RCongo-footy-bio-stub (62 P)
 * RCongo-footy-bio-stub (62 P)


 * PapuaNewGuinea-sport-stub (previously proposed)
 * (51 P)
 * PapuaNewGuinea-sports-venue-stub (previously proposed)
 * PapuaNewGuinea-sports-venue-stub (previously proposed)

Dawynn (talk) 13:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Samoa-sport-stub (new)
 * (81 P)
 * Samoa-sports-venue-stub (new)
 * Samoa-sports-venue-stub (new)
 * Support speedy away. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

More sport categories and templates
Propose the following new categories:
 * . To be parent for:
 * Bahamas-sport-stub (new)
 * (76 P)
 * Bahamas-footyclub-stub (9 P)
 * Bahamas-sports-venue-stub (new)


 * . To be parent for:
 * EquatorialGuinea-sport-stub (15 P)
 * . To be parent for:
 * EquatorialGuinea-sport-bio-stub (new)
 * (64 P)
 * EquatorialGuinea-athletics-bio-stub (2 P)
 * EquatorialGuinea-footyclub-stub (8 P)
 * EquatorialGuinea-sports-venue-stub (new)


 * . To be parent for:
 * Tajikistan-sport-stub (26 P)
 * . To be parent for:
 * Tajikistan-sport-bio-stub (6 P)
 * Tajikistan-archery-bio-stub (2 P)
 * Tajikistan-athletics-bio-stub (2 P)
 * Tajikistan-boxing-bio-stub (4 P)
 * Tajikistan-footy-bio-stub (47 P)
 * Tajikistan-judo-bio-stub (3 P)
 * Tajikistan-Olympic-medalist-stub (2 P)
 * Tajikistan-swimming-bio-stub (1 P)
 * Tajikistan-footyclub-stub (20 P)
 * Tajikistan-sports-venue-stub (4 P)


 * . To be parent for:
 * Tonga-sport-stub (new)
 * (66 P)
 * Tonga-sports-venue-stub (new)

Also, propose the following exploratory templates: Dawynn (talk) 14:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Macau-sport-stub
 * Macau-sport-bio-stub
 * Macau-sports-venue-stub
 * PapuaNewGuinea-sport-stub
 * PapuaNewGuinea-sports-venue-stub
 * Somalia-sports-venue-stub
 * Somalia-sports-venue-stub
 * Somalia-sports-venue-stub
 * Somalia-sports-venue-stub
 * Support - let's give 'em all a sporting chance. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, but the SolomonIslands- types should just be Solomons-sport-stub, Solomons-sport-bio-stub, and Solomons-sports-venue-stub. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Removing the Solomon Islands from this request. Because of the typo, I missed that I had already requested these.  I have already re-requested them under the correct names above. Dawynn (talk) 01:46, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Antarctica IV
A few more Antarctica stub types. Just about got East Antarctica licked now (it tastes icy). These three should clear the bulk of what's left: Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  11:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * MacRobertsonLand-geo-stub / (iff)
 * OatesLand-geo-stub / (iff)
 * GeorgeVLand-geo-stub / (iff)
 * Ach - to hell with it. Add in the final few to complete East Antarctica - these will probably remain upmerged, but they might as well go in for completion:
 * CoatsLand-geo-stub / (iff)
 * KempLand-geo-stub / (iff)
 * KaiserWilhelmIILand-geo-stub / (iff)
 * PrincessElizabethLand-geo-stub / (iff)
 * FilchnerRonne-geo-stub / (iff)
 * The last one is a problem. Believe it or not, there doesn't seem to be any name for the wedge of Antarctica between about 35° and 80°W further south than the base of the Antarctic Peninsula. Most of it is covered by the Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf, though, so this seems the most appropriate name.


 * I also made AdelaideIsland-geo-stub as a redirect to the Graham Land template, thinking it might get enough to be useful. IThere are over 100 stubs marked with it, so I'd like to turn that into a full template and category.


 * If all of these are done, everywhere on the Big Ice will have a specific subtype of East or West Antarctica. There may still be one or two very large sections that will need paring down (Graham Land is likely to have a couple of thousand stubs) but other than that, this will be just about it. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  11:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support the whole thing. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * UPDATE - the Filchner-Ronne category has been renamed to Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Missing sport categories
Propose speedy approval of the following:
 * . Parent to:
 * BurkinaFaso-sport-stub (18 P)
 * BurkinaFaso-footyclub-stub (15 P)
 * BurkinaFaso-sports-venue-stub (9 P)
 * . Parent to:
 * Cuba-sport-stub (New)
 * Cuba-baseball-team-stub (16 P)
 * Cuba-footyclub-stub (16 P)
 * Cuba-sports-venue-stub (17 P)
 * Category:Dominican sport stubs . Parent to:
 * DominicanRepublic-sport-stub (New)
 * . Parent to:
 * Guinea-sport-stub (15 P)
 * Guinea-footyclub-stub (7 P)
 * Guinea-sports-venue-stub (3 P)
 * . Parent to:
 * Haiti-sport-stub (New)
 * . Parent to:
 * Haiti-athletics-bio-stub (6 P)
 * Haiti-boxing-bio-stub (3 P)
 * Haiti-footy-bio-stub (39 P)
 * Haiti-judo-bio-stub (2 P)
 * Haiti-sport-bio-stub (13 P)
 * Haiti-swimming-bio-stub (1 P)
 * Haiti-footyclub-stub (14 P)
 * . Parent to:
 * Jamaica-sport-stub (New)
 * Jamaica-footyclub-stub (22 P)
 * . Parent to:
 * PuertoRico-sport-stub (New)
 * PuertoRico-basketball-team-stub (3 P)
 * PuertoRico-footyclub-stub (20 P)
 * PuertoRico-sports-venue-stub (32 P)
 * Category:Trinidadian sport stubs . Parent to:
 * Trinidad-sport-stub (New)
 * Trinidad-footyclub-stub (8 P)
 * . Parent to:
 * Turkmenistan-sport-stub (23 P)
 * Turkmenistan-footyclub-stub (13 P)
 * Turkmenistan-sports-venue-stub (10 P)
 * Trinidad-sport-stub (New)
 * Trinidad-footyclub-stub (8 P)
 * . Parent to:
 * Turkmenistan-sport-stub (23 P)
 * Turkmenistan-footyclub-stub (13 P)
 * Turkmenistan-sports-venue-stub (10 P)
 * Turkmenistan-footyclub-stub (13 P)
 * Turkmenistan-sports-venue-stub (10 P)

Note that all of these either already have, or can support, a valid sportspeople sub-category. Dawynn (talk) 13:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support each and every one. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support all, with two minor tweaks I'd change that "Dominican" category to "Dominican Republic" if I were you, and it's probably better to stick with "Trinidad and Tobago" rather than having one category at "Trinidadian". Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  11:12, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Grutness. Corrections made to proposal.  Will build new templates and categories when time permits. Dawynn (talk) 16:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Mayors?
Just a thought for discussion rather than a firm proposal - is it would having stub templates for mayors for each of the US's states, as subtypes of the politician stubs? The thought came to me while SFD'ing a Montclair-politician-stub which we seem to have inherited. Would a NewJersey-mayor-stub, for mayors of cities/boroughs/towns in New Jersey be useful, and the same for the other states? Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. We have precedent  and permcats (subcategories of ).  Dawynn (talk) 01:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. In fact, I believe we already do this for some states (CF ). -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * A scan shows that we have for California, Massachusetts and New York. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And a different scan confirms that there are plently of articles in the Category:Mayors of places in New Jersey category tree to justfy a stub category. Not all of the states, though - Alabama has only 26. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)