Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/December 2008

This is an archive of discussions from WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals for the month of December 2008. Please move completed December discussions to this page as they are closed, add discussion headers to each proposal showing the result, and leave incomplete discussions on the Proposals page. After December, the remainder of the discussions will be moved to this page, whether stub types have been created or not.

Those who create a stub template/cat should be responsible for moving the discussion here and listing the stub type in the archive summary.

Stub proposers please note: Items tagged as "nocreate" or "no consensus" are welcome for re-proposal if and when circumstances are auspicious.


 * Discussion headers:
 * sfp create
 * sfp nocreate
 * sfp other (for no consensus)
 * sfp top for customized result description (use ).
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split of
just reached 800 propose rough idea of numbers from catscan. Waacstats (talk) 10:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC) Yes by all means  Count Blofeld   10:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * US-video-game-company-stub - (+150)
 * Japan-video-game-company-stub - (+100)
 * UK-video-game-company-stub - (+70)
 * Support as long as the templates use -videogame- as do the rest of the vg templates. Cheers, Her Pegship  (tis herself) 06:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Typical the one I was looking at at the time had to have a rediredt not the correct template. Support change suggested by Her Pegship. Waacstats (talk) 11:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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split of
Oversized at 845, we already have PRChina-footyclub-stub and PRChina-basketball-team-stub that between them have 74 articles so propose either Waacstats (talk) 10:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * PRChina-sport-stub -
 * PRChina-sports-team-stub -
 * I think sorting by sport and country is better than sorting by just country, so i'd oppose sports-team-stubs. In order to include national teams, we could consider PRChina-national-team-stub--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 23:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
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split of
Creeping up to 715, lubkily we already have by county upmerged templates and the following are all over 60 so propose relevent categories Speedy? Waacstats (talk) 10:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * SonomaCountyCA-geo-stub -
 * SantaClaraCountyCA-geo-stub -
 * SanMateoCountyCA-geo-stub -
 * MarinCountyCA-geo-stub -
 * SanFranciscoCountyCA-geo-stub -
 * ContraCostaCountyCA-geo-stub -
 * AlamedaCountyCA-geo-stub -
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Generic country stubs
There still seem to be a few generic country-stub types missing - i've just noticed that we have no Montserrat-stub, for example. These are speediable, but I'm giving the heads-up here first. Unless anyone has any objections, I'll make upmerged templates for any I find that don't have a basic stub (hopefully there aren't that many left now...) Grutness...wha?  22:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Not only have I made this and used this, but the number of stubs using this and the other two existing Montserrat templates would mean that would contain 64 articles. Speedy? Grutness...wha?  23:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support speedy, the same goes for any others out there.Waacstats (talk) 10:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
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Split of by region
As it is for, so shall it be for this stub category.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 17:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No country appears to have 60 stubs at present so this is probably the best solution. Waacstats (talk) 09:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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split of
just seen this one has shot up towards 800. These would take the size down. Waacstats (talk) 15:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Norway-artist-stub - catscan
 * Norway-scientist-stub - catscan
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Following on from my note earlier this month on generic stubs... there are now 71 articles marked with BritishVirginIslands-stub, plus a long-standing geo-stub category which would serve as a subcat of this. Speedy? Grutness...wha?  00:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * obvious speedy Waacstats (talk) 07:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60 Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Italy-historian-stub
 * Canada-historian-stub
 * Ireland-historian-stub
 * Russia-historian-stub
 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60 (Geuss who is trying to fill what will be a quiet christmas)


 * BosniaHerzegovina-struct-stub
 * Belgium-struct-stub
 * Croatia-struct-stub
 * Hungary-struct-stub
 * Slovenia-struct-stub


 * Portugal-struct-stub
 * Latvia-struct-stub
 * Estonia-struct-stub
 * Iceland-struct-stub

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60. Should take car of all european countries except gibralter and Vatican city for which we don't have perm cats.


 * Albania-sport-bio-stub
 * BosniaHerzegovina-sport-bio-stub
 * Cyprus-sport-bio-stub
 * Faroes-sport-bio-stub
 * Iceland-sport-bio-stub
 * Liechtenstein-sport-bio-stub
 * Macedonia-sport-bio-stub


 * Malta-sport-bio-stub
 * Moldova-sport-bio-stub
 * Montenegro-sport-bio-stub
 * SanMarino-sport-bio-stub
 * Andorra-sport-bio-stub
 * Kosovo-sport-bio-stub
 * Monaco-sport-bio-stub

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Make two of thoseCyprus-sport-bio-stub and Faroes-sport-bio-stub, and you gotta deal (with both these and the ones above). Aren't you planning on having any Christmas holidays this year? :) Grutness...wha?  00:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the problem. I have to go in to work a couple of days over christmas everyone else is away with family so I could end up home alone so got to keep myself out of trouble some how. Waacstats (talk) 09:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * :/ Sorry to hear that. Still, at least it means some stubs will be sorted :) Grutness...wha?  00:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Eugh. Failed to spot that the Macedonian one should have been at RMacedonia-sport-bio-stub... renamed and deleted the original. Grutness...wha?  23:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * forgot about that, will remember next time. Waacstats (talk) 11:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
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Three more scientists
Three more scientist templates pass 60, speedy categories? Waacstats (talk) 18:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Strongly oppose. Just kidding, speedy of course. Could you please list any ones below which have over 30 but less than 60 too and I'll see what I can do  The Bald One       White cat 19:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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Speedy scientists
the following templates have over 60 articles propose relevent cat Waacstats (talk) 23:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Belgium-scientist-stub -
 * Netherlands-scientist-stub -
 * Finland-scientist-stub -
 * Japan-scientist-stub -
 * Japan-astronomer-stub -
 * Speedy, naturally The Bald One       White cat 18:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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The last few "country" Foo-stubs
Hi all. Every country (and everything which might conceivably be called one, other than a few disputed regions) now has both a Foo-stub and a Foo-geo-stub... with four exceptions, all of which may need a little discussion before creation, as listed below. They're probably best treated in two separate loads, hence the separate headings. The entire list of such stubs for "countries and country-like entities" is now at User:Grutness/Geo-stub list, BTW. Grutness...wha?  23:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Korea and China
We still use Korea-stub and China-stub, which are perfectly acceptable, given that many stubs deal with pre-revolutionary/pre-war subjects. We could probably still do with the following, though: Grutness...wha?  23:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * NorthKorea-stub /, as a subtype of
 * SouthKorea-stub /, as a subtype of
 * PRChina-stub /, as a subtype of
 * I agree these are probably a good idea but I can see them being troublesome as well. Waacstats (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Mmm once again I think you are looking too much into being politicially correct my dear Mr. Grutness. LOL. Makes sense though. The Bald One      White cat 18:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

TAAF
We have no foo-stub or geo-stub for France's Southern and Antarctic Territories. There are two issues here - firstly, the name andc secondly the scope (our stubs for other countries do not include areas within Antarctica, which is a major slice of this territory). But other French overseas départements have their own stub types; this should too. Possible options are the following:
 * FrenchSouthernAntarctic-stub / FrenchSouthernAntarctic-geo-stub
 * covers the entire area including Antarctica's Adélie Land.


 * TAAF-stub / TAAF-geo-stub
 * also covers the entire area, using the standard French acronym. Simpler, but may be ambiguous.


 * FrenchSouthern-stub / FrenchSouthern-geo-stub
 * removes Antarctica, but may be ambiguous - Corsica is in southern France, for instance.


 * FrenchSouthernTerritories-stub / FrenchSouthernTerritories-geo-stub
 * clearer, but a bit of a fudge - there's no permcat for French Southern Territories, it's always french Southern and Antarctic territories.


 * Kerguelen-stub / Kerguelen-geo-stub
 * 90% of the area of the non-Antarctic TAAF is the island of Kerguelen. Template wording could make it clear that, like Trinidad-stub, it is for the whole entity, not just the biggest island.

I'm open to any other suggestions, but given that this has been hanging around as the last outstanding geo-stub for a long time and will soon probably be the last outstanding generic stub, I'd like to get this dealt with ASAP. Grutness...wha?  23:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A quick read of the article would suggest that what we want to cover is best descibed as FrenchSouthernTerritories-stub, it may be a fudge but then so would any of the others(excluding antarica/includeing islans not specifically named). Waacstats (talk) 00:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I hadn't noticed before, but that article says "French Southern Territories" is an acceptable name, so I'll go for that. Grutness...wha?  20:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Given that everywhere else has these types of stubs, I;'ll assume this is speediable and start work :) Grutness...wha?  05:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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Other scientists
following on from below I was surprised to find we don't have the following Waacstats (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * US-zoologist-stub -
 * UK-zoologist-stub -
 * UK-astronomer-stub -
 * France-biologist-stub -
 * France-zoologist-stub -


 * Support. I know it is very surprising what is missing and how generic some of them are. I would suggest we sometime do an overhaul of biography stubs on wikipedia and ensure we at least have templates organized by country (main ones in Europe and Americas anyway) by profession. There is far too much of an inconsitency. We would probably need some people from WP:BIO to help out as it would be by no means a task for only two of us  The Bald One       White cat 13:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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Scientists in general seem to be largely sorted either by nationality or speciality not both so before the above gets too large I propose the following scheme. numbers are rough ideas Will probably propose similar schemes for other countries shortly. Waacstats (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC) I thought I proposed German chemists and chemist stubs a while back? Could you check, back in October I think  The Bald One       White cat 13:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Germany-biologist-stub - (100)
 * Germany-botanist-stub - (100)
 * Germany-zoologist-stub - (100)
 * Germany-chemist-stub - (150)
 * Germany-astronomer-stub - (100)
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Further split of
While I have reduced the number in this category to a little under 800 by moving articles into the existing more specific stubs, there are enough articles to create lymphatic-stub and genitourinary-stub. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

A wider discussion, Grutness, Waacs please join in. I support the split but I would investigate how to split further.
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Coudl somebody enlighten me how many stubs we have at present? I've created France-museum-stub. Remember that French museums are categprized in a number of categories. If it doesn't hit 60 let me know. The Bald One      White cat 22:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A quick sort gives 47, may be others that I haven't picked up though. Also i've upmerged the template till we get to 60. Waacstats (talk) 09:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Should now be over 60. The Bald One      White cat 11:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree it's over 60 support category. Waacstats (talk) 13:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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Split of and create templates by country
Oversized with 823 stubs and a very generic category given that some drastically different governments are categorized together across the world. My gosh the work that needs doing is creeping up on us but I'd strongly recommend creating a full set of country templates for an important subject like government and creating categories where viable and upmerging the rest  The Bald One       White cat 16:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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baseball-competition-stub
I don't think there is enough articles for a category yet, but it will help sort Category:Baseball stubs. For instance, all the articles on there listed with a year cannot be sorted into a baseball-season stub because they are a competition. If eventually gets more than 60 would say create category Category:Baseball competition stubs. —Borgardetalk 13:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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recording-studio-stub
For music recording studios. There are currently 54 tagged with music-venue-stub, which isn't the most intuitive of descriptors. I think the class is sufficiently distinct to warrant its own handy-dandy template - ideally cat too, where they could better find expert attention, but pending the magic 60 they can be upmerged to remain in. &bull; Lainagier &bull; talk &bull; 07:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support, and if on creating 60 are found to exist I also support . Waacstats (talk) 12:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


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and templates for others
and sub cats shows it is clearly viable. Create Hungary-scientist-stub too obviously Actually I propose the creation of the following templates and to create categories where viable. Count Blofeld  10:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Spain-scientist-stub
 * Portugal-scientist-stub
 * Norway-scientist-stub
 * Finland-scientist-stub
 * Netherlands-scientist-stub
 * Belgium-scientist-stub
 * Austria-scientist-stub
 * Estonia-scientist-stub
 * Greece-scientist-stub
 * Mexico-scientist-stub
 * Israel-scientist-stub
 * Japan-scientist-stub


 * NewZealand-scientist-stub
 * Argentina-scientist-stub
 * Bolivia-scientist-stub
 * Peru-scientist-stub
 * Venezuela-scientist-stub
 * Colombia-scientist-stub
 * Paraguay-scientist-stub
 * Uruguay-scientist-stub
 * Chile-scientist-stub
 * Iran-scientist-stub
 * Hungary-scientist-stub


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Speedy cats from the Channel Islands
Not to be confused with manx cats from the Isle of Man :) I've just been sorting Jersey and Guernsey's stubs, and the following are speediable: (NB - as with New Zealand, the adjectival demonym seems to be identical to the noun form). Grutness...wha?  08:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Go for it  Count Blofeld   10:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * - about 95 stubs
 * - about 70 stubs
 * - 65 stubs
 * - about 65 stubs
 * Speedy. Waacstats (talk) 11:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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New Categories for Upmerged Afghanistan Stubs
I am currently sorting the Afghanistan-geo-stubs. 604 total articles. Request permission to create categories for any of the stubsets that top 60. Aelfthrytha (talk) 06:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems fair enough to me. Grutness...wha?  08:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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split of
I would like to split out the tennis-stubs with the addition of tennis-tourney-stubs. Should lead to more work done through split of focus. -- Mjquin_id (talk) 22:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * (moved to correct place on page) The best name for that - to standardise with other sports - would be Tennis-competition-stub / . I'd definitely support both a template and category for that - a quick glance at shows that the entire first page of 200 stubs seems to be about competitions. It would also take  and  as subcategories. Grutness...wha?  22:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Already passed as Tennis-competition-stub back in september so I think we can speedy that, also if it's any help a Tennis-venue-stub was also passed at the same time.  Waacstats (talk) 11:18, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops - right. Tennis-comp-stub would be for tennis computers :) Grutness...wha?  00:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't think we have many articles on them though. Waacstats (talk) 12:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, you never know... :) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Just another 59 to go then!Waacstats (talk) 12:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose a Israel-actor-stub. Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60 Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Pakistan-writer-stub
 * Hungary-writer-stub
 * Greece-writer-stub
 * Romanian-writer-stub Romania-writer-stub
 * Israel-writer-stub
 * Switzerland-writer-stub
 * Romania-... surely - other than that, go for it. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. You can add to that RMacedonia-writer-stub The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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Split of
currently oversized propode the following:


 * Germany-canoe-bio-stub
 * Hungary-canoe-bio-stub
 * Romania-canoe-bio-stub
 * Czech-canoe-bio-stub
 * US-canoe-bio-stub
 * France-canoe-bio-stub


 * Sweden-canoe-bio-stub
 * Slovakia-canoe-bio-stub
 * Canada-canoe-bio-stub
 * Poland-canoe-bio-stub
 * Australia-canoe-bio-stub

Categories for those that reach 60 (Probably just the Germans and Hungarians) No Canada canoe bio? I'm shocked  The Bald One       White cat 12:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - though what a horrible name for the category! I'd never heard the word canoer before, and googled it to make sure it's a real word - "canoer" is outnumbered by "canoeist" by about seven to one. BTW< I'm also shocked there's no suggestion of including a NewZealand-canoe-bio-stub! Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  21:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL. I know I always thought that when I was adding some Beijing "canoer" or "canoeist" bio stub. The Bald One      White cat 10:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I know we have a large competition in the nearest town and the locals always complain about "the damn canoeists", but the the permcat is at canoer as well so unless someone wants to take that to CFD for renaming it's probably best left as is (if anyone does take it to sfd let me know, without attempting to influence the !vote).And as for NewZealand-canoe-bio catscan gives 6. Waacstats (talk) 16:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I diid take it to CFD yesterday, once I realised the name of it! As to catscan, I'd be pretty sure that that is because of undercategorising, though I'm surprised at the number of redlinks relating to NZ rowing. There are certainly more than six on the first page of, though not by a lot (a NewZealand-swimming-bio-stub, on the other hand, looks very useful, and may be worth proposing...) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60 (Anyone spotting a trend here)
 * Brazil-singer-stub
 * Iran-singer-stub
 * Belgium-singer-stub
 * Argentina-singer-stub
 * NewZealand-singer-stub
 * Austria-singer-stub
 * Denmark-singer-stub


 * SouthAfrica-singer-stub
 * Hungary-singer-stub
 * Greece-singer-stub
 * CzechRepublic-singer-stub
 * Israel-singer-stub
 * Switzerland-singer-stub

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60
 * India-painter-stub
 * Sweden-painter-stub
 * Mexico-painter-stub
 * Brazil-painter-stub
 * Iran-painter-stub
 * Argentina-painter-stub
 * Austria-painter-stub
 * Denmark-painter-stub


 * SouthAfrica-painter-stub
 * Pakistan-painter-stub
 * Hungary-painter-stub
 * Greece-painter-stub
 * CzechRepublic-painter-stub
 * Romania-painter-stub
 * Israel-painter-stub
 * Switzerland-painter-stub

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60
 * Belgium-musician-stub
 * Argentina-musician-stub
 * SouthAfrica-musician-stub
 * Pakistan-musician-stub
 * Hungary-musician-stub


 * Greece-musician-stub
 * CzechRepublic-musician-stub
 * Romania-musician-stub
 * Israel-musician-stub
 * Switzerland-musician-stub

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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is over 930 and needs to be tackled. Knowing next to nothing about telecommunications, I cannot offer much help. Telecomm-bio-stub perhaps?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 00:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I also know nothing about telecommunications, so i'm no help either in fact more of a hinderence because a quick look throught the first 2 pages shows no bios at all so we will need something else to reduce this category. We could probably populate a bio stub, just not from this category. Waacstats (talk) 09:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also out of my depth - but wonder whether a Telecomm-term-stub (along the lines of geo-term-stub and similar) might be useful. There seems to be a lot of jargon in there... Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... seems we have that one. Is there undersorting, perhaps, or is it upmerged? Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Undersorted, I think. Her Pegship <small style="color:green;"> (tis herself) 21:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Split of 4 foo-footy-bio-stub
I know I have a load of proposals below but this includes an oversized category. I propose the following:
 * Japan-footy-goalkeeper-stub (viable cat???)
 * Japan-footy-defender-stub (viable cat)
 * Japan-footy-midfielder-stub (viable cat)
 * Japan-footy-striker-stub (viable cat)
 * Poland-footy-goalkeeper-stub
 * Poland-footy-defender-stub
 * Poland-footy-midfielder-stub
 * Poland-footy-striker-stub


 * Serbia-footy-goalkeeper-stub
 * Serbia-footy-defender-stub
 * Serbia-footy-midfielder-stub
 * Serbia-footy-striker-stub
 * Ukraine-footy-goalkeeper-stub
 * Ukraine-footy-defender-stub
 * Ukraine-footy-midfielder-stub
 * Ukraine-footy-striker-stub

and categoriesd for any that reach 60, following existing pattern of England, Scotland, Brazil etc. Waacstats (talk) 10:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, didn't see this! Same as mine above :D, Support! —Borgarde 13:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Borgade could you see how many Japanese goalkeeper stubs there are. The others are definately viable for categories too  The Bald One       White cat 15:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Based on experiance having split 4/5 other countries this way, the midfieldera and defenders will easily be viable, the strikers should creep over and I would expect the japanese goalkeepers to have 60+ while the other3 I think may struggle at the moment but shouldn't be to far off. Waacstats (talk) 23:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
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One more sport template
CatScan suggests at least 43 of these - not enough for a category, but certainly enough for an upmerged template. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * NewZealand-swimming-bio-stub
 * Support. Waacstats (talk) 08:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I still get surprised at the seemingly obvious ones that are still missing. Hey amybody know where Alai is, I haven't seen him around for a while? The Bald One      White cat 11:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Good question... doesn't seem to be any comment on his user page, but he's only made two contribs since Dec 2nd. Hope he's OK... Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  12:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Split of and Karnataka-geo-stub
These days, I am creating article stubs of highly populated villages in Karnataka state of India, missing in WP, 50-60 new articles on an average per distict. Hence it is important to split the cats and stub templates for the 29 districts of Karnataka. This is also discussed at WP:WSS/D at the moment.

-- <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu  <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian  - 05:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * : Bagalkot-geo-stub
 * : Bangalore Rural-geo-stub
 * : Bangalore Urban-geo-stub
 * : Belgaum-geo-stub
 * : Bellary-geo-stub
 * : Bidar-geo-stub
 * : Bijapur-geo-stub
 * : Chamarajanagar-geo-stub
 * : Chikkaballapur-geo-stub
 * : Chikkamagaluru-geo-stub
 * : Chitradurga-geo-stub
 * : Dakshina Kannada-geo-stub
 * : Davanagere-geo-stub
 * : Dharwad-geo-stub
 * : Gadag-geo-stub
 * : Gulbarga-geo-stub
 * : Hassan-geo-stub
 * : Haveri-geo-stub
 * : Kodagu-geo-stub
 * : Kolar-geo-stub
 * : Koppal-geo-stub
 * : Mandya-geo-stub
 * : Mysore-geo-stub
 * : Raichur-geo-stub
 * : Ramanagara-geo-stub
 * : Shimoga-geo-stub
 * : Tumkur-geo-stub
 * : Udupi-geo-stub
 * : Uttara Kannada-geo-stub
 * Support templates, categories for those that get to 60 (Belgaum is already viable), see where that takes us number wise. BangaloreUrban-geo-stub, BangaloreRural-geo-stub, DakshinaKannada-geo-stub and UttaraKannada-geo-stub should be used instead of those proposed above as we don't use spaces in template names, I'm also assuming none of these will be ambigous, ie none of them are names of places any where else? Waacstats (talk) 12:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support templates, and any categories which have 60+ stubs - but with amended names as Waacstats suggests. Two of the names would, however be ambiguous - Hassan and Bijapur. Hassan is the name of other places, though this seems to be the only one in India, so HassanIN should be used. Bijapur is more tricky, since there's a Bijapur district in Chhattisgarh. BijapurKarnataka may be the best solution here. I'd also suggest that if by-district categories are created, the word "district" be included in each, since a lot of these have cities as their main articles.I'd suggest the following amended list of categories and templates:


 * : Bagalkot-geo-stub
 * : BangaloreRural-geo-stub
 * : BangaloreUrban-geo-stub
 * : Belgaum-geo-stub
 * : Bellary-geo-stub
 * : Bidar-geo-stub
 * : BijapurKarnataka-geo-stub
 * : Chamarajanagar-geo-stub
 * : Chikkaballapur-geo-stub
 * : Chikkamagaluru-geo-stub
 * : Chitradurga-geo-stub
 * : DakshinaKannada-geo-stub
 * : Davanagere-geo-stub
 * : Dharwad-geo-stub
 * : Gadag-geo-stub
 * : Gulbarga-geo-stub
 * : HassanIN-geo-stub
 * : Haveri-geo-stub
 * : Kodagu-geo-stub
 * : Kolar-geo-stub
 * : Koppal-geo-stub
 * : Mandya-geo-stub
 * : Mysore-geo-stub
 * : Raichur-geo-stub
 * : Ramanagara-geo-stub
 * : Shimoga-geo-stub
 * : Tumkur-geo-stub
 * : Udupi-geo-stub
 * : UttaraKannada-geo-stub
 * Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
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Split of
1000 stubs. Templates by district already exist.Create categories for those which are viable. The Bald One      White cat 23:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)



There is a relevant discussion on a similar matter at WP:WSS/D at the moment. Other states of India have per-district templatres but are mainly split per division as far as categories are concerned. It may be as well to do the same here. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The rest of stubs are district sorted.

Divisions are rarely used and not all states have divisions ( like the the Kerala state discussed above).Therefore splitting per distict is consistent and effective -- <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu  <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian  - 05:01, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If memory serves correctly then I think the divisions where only used because none of the districts whee viable or all the viable districts had already been split. I assume this is akin to what happens when we end up splitting US States by region because none of the counties are viable. Waacstats (talk)
 * OK that makes sense. The same problem with article names exists as in that debate, though. The articlesthus named are about the towns and cities, not about the districts. I'll take the ones already in existenc e to SFD, but the new ones should be at:
 * 23:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC) PS - be careful with the spelling! :)
 * 23:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC) PS - be careful with the spelling! :)
 * 23:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC) PS - be careful with the spelling! :)
 * 23:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC) PS - be careful with the spelling! :)
 * 23:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC) PS - be careful with the spelling! :)
 * 23:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC) PS - be careful with the spelling! :)
 * 23:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC) PS - be careful with the spelling! :)
 * 23:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC) PS - be careful with the spelling! :)
 * 23:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC) PS - be careful with the spelling! :)
 * 23:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC) PS - be careful with the spelling! :)


 * Apologies for creating . I thought it was speediable and created it before the discussion on naming took place.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 00:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No apologies needed - it did look speediable at first. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
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SouthAfrica-book-stub
Since SouthAfrica-media-stub has been deleted, a number of books need to be stub sorted. However, we have yet to sort books by country of origin and I don't know how wise this is. What should we do?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 23:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I would rather not go down that road...They should be categorized by country of origin but stubbed by genre. We do have Japan-lit-stub and India-lit-stub, but those are really for the culture's literature as a whole. I'll go look round the book stubs and see what I can do. Her Pegship <small style="color:green;"> (tis herself) 01:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also wary of it - it would be easy for people to confuse SouthAfrica-book-stub as being for books about SA, in which case we're likely to end up with a mess in the category. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  04:23, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * So what do we do instead?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Stub-sort by genre, please. Her Pegship <small style="color:green;"> (tis herself) 22:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Her Pegship <small style="color:green;"> (tis herself) 22:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * How does that sort the them into ?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 22:58, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being vague. It doesn't sort them into South African media stubs; they've been re-sorted into the appropriate book stub sub-cats. They've also been perm-categorized under . Since there were only a few, and stub-sorting by country isn't currently desirable, I thought this was the best solution. Her Pegship <small style="color:green;"> (tis herself) 18:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
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There are currently 630 articles in this category, being fed in by 7 stub templates (France, UK, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Ukraine, general Europe). I propose giving each country template its own category. This wouldn't require any new stub types. Kolindigo (talk) 20:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose all but one. It is standard practice to have multiple country-level templates feeding one category where the number of stubs used by each template is below threshold. In this case, only one of the thresholds has reached the 60-stub threshold level (though a couple of others are close) - for that reason I'd support (which is the standard name for UK-related categories. BTW, though not a "full" stub type, a category is still regarded as a partial stub type, especially when a template has previously been made in an upmerged form. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  21:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I didn't realize most were lower than the threshold. Oops. :) Kolindigo (talk) 20:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * They are at the moment, though there may be some undersorting from the Country-sport-bio-stub types (checking the Whatlinkshere link in the toolbox for each template lets you see how many stubs currently use each one). Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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There are currently no stubs related to organizational communication and various facets related to organizational communication. I'm wanting to change this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JasonSWrench (talk • contribs)
 * Not sure I quite understand - if there are no stubs for it, why would you need a template or category? There is also no permanent category relating to . There is an, but it's not really big enough for its own stub type - and it's a pretty vague area that overlaps with several existing stub types. Perhaps something like a Humanresources-stub might be a more effective stub type? Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  10:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
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59 pages now bear Norway-footyclub-stub (check whatlinkshere), so could a category be made, please? Punkmorten (talk) 19:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * One more article and you gotta deal :) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * There. 60. I take that as a green light. Punkmorten (talk) 15:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
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PokemonGame-stub
I noticed that there isn't a stub for pokemon games.Please consider:

PokemonGame-stub --Shock64 (talk) 19:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There is - Pokemon-stub, which is the correct one to use for any pokemon-related subjects, including games. PokemonGame-stub - which you mention - is incorrectly named and is currently nominated for deletion, for the simple reason that there are too few articles for a template. Given that it's already under discussion at SFD, BTW, it shouldn't be mentioned here (see the rules for this page). Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
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and
don't at the moment make it clear whether they're for stubs related to or. (Actually they seem to be implying that is about  but  is about  – which is just plain confusing.)

I propose splitting into more precisely-named categories, presumably and. —Paul A (talk) 03:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, though that would also require adding two more templates, so we'll have to work out the naming for those, too. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  05:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A great idea and should mean I can finally get those pesky underwater divers out of the sport heirachy! (just kidding). As for template names how about diving-sport- and diving-underwater-? Waacstats (talk) 08:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * perhaps the reverse might make more sense: sport-diving-stub (or acrobatics-diving-stub?) and underwater-diving-stub. In the case of the sport one, it's a bit more ambiguous, since it could be seen a split of sport-stub, but I think since the purpose is to split diving-stub it would be logical(and even approach grammar!) to have them the other way round. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks sensible. Waacstats (talk) 21:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Si LOL. Good catch The Bald One       White cat 12:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60 would also be an idea to have a Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ireland-scientist-stub
 * Denmark-scientist-stub
 * SouthAfrica-scientist-stub
 * CzechRepublic-scientist-stub
 * Romania-scientist-stub
 * Switzerland-scientist-stub
 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60
 * poland-business-bio-stub
 * China-business-bio-stub
 * Italy-business-bio-stub
 * Netherlands-business-bio-stub
 * Spain-business-bio-stub
 * Belgium-business-bio-stub
 * Argentina-business-bio-stub
 * NewZealand-business-bio-stub


 * Austria-business-bio-stub
 * Denmark-business-bio-stub
 * Pakistan-business-bio-stub
 * Hungary-business-bio-stub
 * Greece-business-bio-stub
 * CzechRepublic-business-bio-stub
 * Romania-business-bio-stub
 * Israel-business-bio-stub
 * Switzerland-business-bio-stub

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Are the Chinese ones all likely to be PRChina? If so, it may be a better name. Other than that... (nods sagely). Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * half Hong Kong half rest of PRChina, I've lost track with what is called PRChina these days does it include or exclude Hong Kong. Waacstats (talk) 09:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * best solution might be to make separate PRChina-business-bio-stub and HongKong-business-bio-stub templates. That way we're covered if they can both reach 60, and can still categorise them together if they reach 60 between them. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60
 * Australia-mil-bio-stub
 * Sweden-mil-bio-stub
 * Netherlands-mil-bio-stub
 * Spain-mil-bio-stub
 * Mexico-mil-bio-stub
 * Brazil-mil-bio-stub
 * Iran-mil-bio-stub
 * Belgium-mil-bio-stub

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ireland-mil-bio-stub
 * NewZealand-mil-bio-stub
 * Austria-mil-bio-stub
 * Denmark-mil-bio-stub
 * Hungary-mil-bio-stub
 * Greece-mil-bio-stub
 * CzechRepublic-mil-bio-stub
 * Romania-mil-bio-stub
 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60
 * China-artist-stub
 * Greece-artist-stub
 * Ireland-artist-stub
 * Netherlands-artist-stub
 * SouthAfrica-artist-stub
 * Sweden-artist-stub
 * Pakistan-artist-stub
 * Hungary-artist-stub
 * Switzerland-artist-stub
 * Israel-artist-stub

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Romania-artist-stub
 * CzechRepublic-artist-stub
 * Iran-artist-stub
 * Belgium-artist-stub
 * Spain-artist-stub
 * Brazil-artist-stub
 * Austria-artist-stub
 * Denmark-artist-stub
 * Argentina-artist-stub
 * NewZealand-artist-stub
 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60
 * Norway-academic-bio-stub
 * Japan-academic-bio-stub
 * Russia-academic-bio-stub
 * Mexico-academic-bio-stub
 * SouthAfrica-academic-bio-stub
 * Sweden-academic-bio-stub
 * Pakistan-academic-bio-stub
 * Hungary-academic-bio-stub
 * Switzerland-academic-bio-stub
 * Israel-academic-bio-stub

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Romania-academic-bio-stub
 * CzechRepublic-academic-bio-stub
 * Belgium-academic-bio-stub
 * Spain-academic-bio-stub
 * Brazil-academic-bio-stub
 * Austria-academic-bio-stub
 * Denmark-academic-bio-stub
 * Argentina-academic-bio-stub
 * NewZealand-academic-bio-stub
 * Support The Bald One       White cat 15:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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Proposals, December 2008
If you create a stub type, please be sure to add it to the list of stub types.

LGBT split
There are now over 800 articles in. I'd like to propose the following templates, splitting out separate categories for any which reach threshold:
 * LGBT-org-stub (organisations)
 * LGBT-law-stub (legislation)
 * LGBT-book-stub or LGBT-novel-stub (there seem to be a large number of novels in the category)
 * LGBT-film-stub (ditto films)

Given the number of articles on civil unions and civil rights by country, the law one should easily reach 60, as should the one for organisations. The others may not, though there are a considerable number of books in the main category. I've mentioned this proposal at WP:LGBT, BTW (or, FWIW, will ASAP, OK? :) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Those sound like reasonable sub-cats. I think there should also be a LGBT-bio-stub for stub biographies of LGBT people. (I had created such a category, but because of opposition thereto, it was never populated. Can we do so?) <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 22:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I oppose a LGBT-bio-stub on the basis that it is far too general. The activist-stub is for people notable directly because of their LGBT status. If we have a LGBT-bio-stub, every LGBT person could be stubbed such, making it a huge mess.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 22:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And I would second a LGBT-novel-stub rather than LGBT-book-stub, as I don't there are enough non-fiction books on sexuality in general for a separate stub type, let alone on lgbt issues. Her Pegship <small style="color:green;"> (tis herself) 01:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * LGBT-novel-stub does make more sense than trying to put fiction and non-fiction works together, and they do seem to be mainly novels. I agree with Thomas, BTW - a simple bio-stub is likely to be too much of a catch-all to really be that useful. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support proposal, with no preference between "book" and "novel". I agree that a bio stub has enough potential problems that it should not be included in this split.  --Alynna (talk) 20:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support; Especially bio-stub; Either both "book" and "novel" as they are different WikiProjects or the parent project "Literature". -- Mjquin_id (talk) 01:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
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PRChina-transport-stub and PRChina-rail-station-stub
Template for gneerla stubs on transport and railways in China. Create cat when viable  The Bald One       White cat 14:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
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Speedy
Soon will be over 150, at this minute of writing there are about 85-90  The Bald One       White cat 18:53, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
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Trail stub subtypes
isn't in need of splitting yet, but that's mainly because of massive undersorting. I'd like to propose that a few sub-templates may be useful. The following three in particular would get pretty high use, and the US one would have enough for its own category: Suggestions for others would also be welcome. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * US-trail-stub /
 * UK-trail-stub
 * Canada-trail-stub
 * Europe-trail-stub
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Possible BritishRaj-bio-stub and BritishRaj-politician-stub
Seems to be a great deal of stubs created on British officers/politicians who lived under the British Raj. At present the creator is placing them in "people stubs". As India politician stub or British politician stub might not be so specific would anybody approve of an idea for a template for governors or British people who spent much of their life in British India? The Bald One      White cat 17:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strongly Support this idea. We can have a seperate stub-template for UK Governors, etc of British India.... for Administrators of provinces in British India. There are too. many Governors. Kensplanet  Talk  Contributions  17:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * A BritishRaj-governor-stub or BritishRaj-admin-stub might be a better name. I'll see what the others have to say on it.   The Bald One       White cat 17:21, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
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Split of
Over 750. I'm not an expert on entomology but it seems the following templates would seem sesnsible and create categories where viable. There are a great number of red links so it may be possible to start them and make all categories viable.


 * Anobiidae-stub
 * Belidae-stub
 * Buprestidae-stub
 * Cantharidae-stub
 * Carabidae-stub
 * Cerambycidae-stub
 * Chrysomelidae-stub
 * Coccinellidae-stub
 * Curculionidae-stub
 * Dytiscidae-stub
 * Elateridae-stub
 * Histeridae-stub
 * Lampyridae-stub
 * Leiodidae-stub
 * Lucanidae-stub
 * Passalidae-stub
 * Scarabaeidae-stub
 * Silphidae-stub

There is also a "cave beetle" category but I doubt scientifically that would constitute for anything  The Bald One       White cat 18:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Anybody?? Or does nobody care about the "beetles"? The Bald One      White cat 10:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the absent Alai is our taxon/bug guy. But I support this fwiw. Her Pegship <small style="color:green;"> (tis herself) 22:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
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Split of
Category is approaching 800 and could definitely use a split. Most of the articles are on post-season bowls (like the 1997 Holiday Bowl) and individual teams seasons. Propose collegefootball-season-stub and collegefootball-bowl-stub--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 22:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support, also may be an idea for a collegefootball-bio-stub for those people in the hall of fame. Waacstats (talk) 22:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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Skating varieties stub creation
Hello. The Skating stubs category currently contains two sub categories: figure skating stubs, and skating biography stubs. I think this category should contain only sub categories. The skating page is a disambiguation page for a good reason: because "skating" is a word with many meanings. A skating stub is therefore not very exact. There needs to be a speed skating basic stub like there is for figure skating (figure-skating-stub). Right now, there is a speed-skating-bio-stub and a figure-skating-bio-stub, and there are two pages in skating-bio-stub that deal with in-line skaters, who should have their own stub family, even if it's just part of inline-skating-stub since there aren't that many inline skating bios right now. Ideally, I do not think there should be anything in skating-stub category at all. It is simply too broad that it becomes confusion. We should not be categorizing inline skaters with speed skaters or figure skaters. They are completely different things, and the only thing they have in common is the word "skater". 70.20.74.178 (talk) 19:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The idea of a speed-skating-stub is a good one, though it wouldn't entirely solve anything, not immediately at least. The problem with the category is that at the moment there are probably far too few speed skating stubs for a separate category (60 is the threshold, as explained above), so the template would need to be upmerged into until it grew larger. The idea of using  in this way, eventually ending up with a parent-only stub category (that is, with no matching Skating-stub) would be reasonable, though, especially given that there is a parent . But we'd by then probably have a similar problem with inline skating. Even if we managed to clear them, though, it is clear from  that there are some articles which couldn't be split between the different forms of skating - that's why there are still unsubcategorised articles in that category. For that reason I'm not 100% keen on it.
 * The idea of a speed-skating-stub is a good one, though it wouldn't entirely solve anything, not immediately at least. The problem with the category is that at the moment there are probably far too few speed skating stubs for a separate category (60 is the threshold, as explained above), so the template would need to be upmerged into until it grew larger. The idea of using  in this way, eventually ending up with a parent-only stub category (that is, with no matching Skating-stub) would be reasonable, though, especially given that there is a parent . But we'd by then probably have a similar problem with inline skating. Even if we managed to clear them, though, it is clear from  that there are some articles which couldn't be split between the different forms of skating - that's why there are still unsubcategorised articles in that category. For that reason I'm not 100% keen on it.


 * As far as the bio-stubs are concerned, though, yes, the creation of an inline-skating-bio-stub would be useful, as would the creation of a US-speed-skating-bio-stub, to match the current one for figure skaters. There's no equivalent permanent category to, so splitting it as far as is practical, and possibly getting rid of the plain Skating-bio-stub (and its US equivalent) would be a good move. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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Split of
Coming close to 800. Believe it or not we have over 60 articles on diplomatic missions in Russia. catscan Do we want to create a template/category for this if so what do we call it and what if any other stub parents do we give it? Waacstats (talk) 14:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be open to a Russia-embassy-stub covering "embassies and other diplomatic missions", probably with as its target, although I can see a case being made for different names so as to extend it somehow to include all the "Foo-Russian relations" stubs, too. The  base cat probably could do with some sorting, BTW, so that 800 is probably artificially high - there seem to be a fair few geo and bio types in there. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you on the undersorting but thought I'd ask about this as alot of articles are obviously embassies. The problem with the names suggested is that I would take that as meaning embassies of Russia i.e Russian embassy in the US rather than foreign embassies in Russia ie US embassy in Russia.  The perm cat would be . Waacstats (talk) 12:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * On a larger note, I'd like to see a stub created for ALL bilateral relations stubs. This type of article has grown immensely over the past 6 months and think grouping them with a specific stub rather than politics-stub would be quite useful. Perhaps sort by country?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 23:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * One possible solution would be to ignore whether it's an embassy of a country or an embassy in a country and to make both and  joint parents. It's a bit of a fudge and would mean constantly double-stubbing, but it would mean that the numbers would be better for a lot of countries. It would also make sense that Fooian embassy in Bar  would have both a foo-stub and a bar-stub template. Some possible naming options would be -embassy-, -diplomacy-, -diplomaticmission-, and foreignrelations-. I suspect the third and fourth are too wordy, and it would largely depend on the intended scope between the first two. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
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