Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism/Guantanamo/What to do with Afghan training camps?

What to do with Afghan training camps?


The wikipedia currently has articles on about two dozen Afghan training camps. I now think some of these article should be amalgamated.

I started most of these articles. At the time I started them I was going through the transcripts of the captives' Tribunal sessions, and creating articles about each camp, as I came across them. At the time I started them I honestly thought sufficient sources for all of them would come to light. Sources have emerged for some of them.

I found a source that quoted Indian intelligence officials who estimated that there had been over one hundred training camps in Afghanistan, and in the FATA -- ie camps run by outside groups that the Taliban allowed to operate, or were run by groups rebelling against the Taliban, or run by tribal militias in the FATA.

Privately, not for article space -- I suspect that many of the camps the OARDEC documents list as separate camps, were duplicates -- camps which were known by several different names. There are various indications that the Urban Warfare camp, the Kandahar airfield camp, and Tarnak Farms are all the same camp. Those indications don't rise to the level of WP:RS, so no speculation belongs in article space. I am noting this here because I am going to keep my eyes peeled for WP:RS. If anyone else comes across WP:RS that can confirm which camps had multiple names I'd appreciate a heads-up.

I think the camps for which the only sources are OARDEC allegation memos, and those allegation memos merely say a few captives attended the camp, but don't provide any other details, should be amalgamated. Geo Swan (talk) 18:12, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The West Point Study has two lists of camps. The most important list includes 11 camps.


 * Update -- Since I drafted this proposal another contributor has nominated most of the articles on training camps for deletion, one by one. I do not think the individual nominations were collegial, or otherwise consistent with wikipolicy.  Some closed as redirects, others closed as deletes.  I am considering initiating a DRV for all of them, so that their histories can be restored, to facilitate merging with a broader article.  Geo Swan (talk) 11:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * After the last closure of Al Fand training camp I placed a mergeto Afghan training camp on it. I drafted the following, to place there.  But I decided to try to transclude the material both here and there.
 * WikiProject Terrorism/Guantanamo/What to do with Afghan training camps?/Merge less well referenced articles to Afghan training camp... or to a new article...


 * As I think I suggested considerably earlier, I agree that a merged article on them all would be best. I think a request for undeletion to permit the merge would probably be the best course. I like his new suggestion for Training facilities allegedly attended by Guantanamo captives. as a title--there were various suggestions in some of the AfDs that the inclusion of "Afghan" in the title was in some way undue weight or POV; I still do not see this, but it answers the objections. and is better than any title I was able to devise.  I remain confident that over the course of the next 10 years or so there will be adequate academic and non academic sources in various languages for individual articles, but this does not appear to be the case yet.   DGG ( talk ) 19:50, 18 July 2010 (UTC)