Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Assessment/A-Class review/U.S. Route 12 in Washington


 * The following is an archived roads review. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page, on WT:USRD, or another applicable discussion page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the review was promote to A-Class. 4 support votes (Kéiryn, Holderca1, Davemeistermoab, Rschen7754), minus 0 oppose votes (none), equals 4 net support votes for promotion. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 03:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

U.S. Route 12 in Washington (4 net support votes)
review
 * Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
 * Nominator's comments: Well-written article IMHO by myself and NE2, fully referenced, and recently featured on Did you know? I've also put it on WP:GAN at the same time.  Any and all suggestions welcome, and I'd particularly appreciate any help on perhaps expanding the lead.
 * Nominated by:  K é iryn talk 15:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - All my issues have been resolved. --Holderca1talk 14:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Here are a few photos: --NE2 20:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it makes sense to include all the interchanges on the I-5, I-82, and I-182 overlaps. --NE2 19:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If you could elaborate as to why you don't think it makes sense to include them, it would be helpful. --Holderca1talk 20:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Since they're already on the other lists, it's rather redundant, especially given how long the overlaps are. --NE2 20:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Although it may seem redundant to us, someone reading this article will not want to go to 3 other articles to complete this article. From the fifth bullet of The perfect article, "A perfect Wikipedia article is nearly self-contained; it includes essential information and terminology, and is comprehensible by itself, without requiring significant reading of other articles."  --Holderca1talk 20:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * But does someone reading about US 12 really want all the exits on the Interstate overlaps? --NE2 20:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know why they wouldn't, it is just as much US 12 as it is I-5 or I-82. For an example of not including them, the reader wouldn't know that US 12 goes through Grandview.  --Holderca1talk 20:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That could be mentioned in the route description. Right now, the article doesn't say anything about it passing through Dayton, because there are no major intersections there. --NE2 21:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The entire exit list could be mentioned in the route description, I just don't understand why we would want to make the article less comprehensive. --Holderca1talk 23:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not making the article less comprehensive; it's covering the information where it makes the most sense. --NE2 00:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, anyways, I won't support the promotion of any article that doesn't cover all aspects of the route. --Holderca1talk 12:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * (indent reset) I see the argument that it makes more sense to cover them in the interstate articles – but not covering them in this article by definition makes it less comprehensive. I'd be willing to work out a compromise where even though it's a freeway section, we continue to list only the state highway junctions instead of a full exit list.  I realize it would be against current project standards, but we've made exceptions to standards in the past (i.e. the prose exit list on Kansas Turnpike).  Either way, I think it's important for a reader to not have to bounce around between four different articles to get all the information. --  K é iryn  talk 14:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * tree removal
 * bridge in Aberdeen
 * old bridge near Clarkston

Support- All my issues addressed. I still think the article is light on photos. However, I recognize you've done what you could. I encourage you to add one or two more as good quality pics become available.Dave (talk) 01:27, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a couple more I could feasibly add, but I think the 4 + 1 historical map currently on the article are sufficient. If I try to shoehorn any more in, it might affect the layout for me – although I tend to view Wikipedia in large windows at high resolution, so the text takes up significantly less room for me than it might for other editors. --  K é iryn  talk 12:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Support All issues resolved. --Rschen7754 (T C) 03:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Note This article has 4 net support votes, but there is an apparent objection, so it is uncertain if this can be closed. --Rschen7754 (T C) 03:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The above is an archived roads debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page, on WT:USRD, or another applicable discussion page. No further edits should be made to this section.