Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Ideas/Archive 7

Potential 2021 year-long initiative

 * BIPOC --Rosiestep (talk) 17:02, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I am very supportive of this idea! TJMSmith (talk) 18:42, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I like this one but will do them regardless. SusunW (talk) 23:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Flowers. Each month develop name lists based on another flower. Some months, just one flower will seem appropriate, while other months, there may be several. The idea feels cheery. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:02, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , I really like this idea! Like 'Rose' would be an obvious one as a name, but maybe also for people from places where its a symbolic flower: "The Rose is the national flower of the United States, the United Kingdom and the Maldives. It is also the official flower of several states and the province of Alberta. The rose once served as Honduras' national flower as well." Lajmmoore (talk) 15:01, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you like the idea, ., I tried to create a Wikidata list for women named Rose but I flubbed it. I used Wikidata list for women named May as a go-by. Could you please take a look at the Rose list? Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * We need to include sports again in connection with the Olympics.--Ipigott (talk) 09:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think that would be a good idea especially as some of the sports categories have almost over 1000 redlink entries and there was a lot of hard work and research went into the project. SarahTHunter (talk) 12:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Women's nationality, but it isn't an editathon, it's a series of articles. Not sure how/if its scope fits into the initiatives, but to complete it, it will need many hands. SusunW (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I sound like a broken record but I'd like to see a focus around women in politics. Missvain (talk) 18:54, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I really like the idea of "Politics" for multiple reasons: we alrady have many lists; "politics/political science" cuts across all time periods and all geographical locations; and "politics" affects "women's issues" (e.g. politicians make laws which affect women, e.g. suffrage, women's nationality initiative per, and so forth). --Rosiestep (talk) 18:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Mayors (WD)
 * Political scientists (WD)
 * Politicians (CS) (WD) (L)
 * Politicians Women a modern political dictionary (Dct)
 * Politicians by country (WD)
 * Argentina
 * Austria
 * Belgium
 * Brazil
 * Czech Republic
 * Ecuador
 * Finland
 * France
 * Germany
 * India
 * Italy
 * Japan
 * Netherlands
 * Norway
 * Romania
 * Spain
 * Sweden
 * Switzerland
 * United States
 * Rest of world
 * Country unknown

Annual initiative - Public Domain
Hi - If you have time and inclination, can you please create this Wikidata redlist: WikiProject Women in Red/Women in the public domain/2021? In 2020, we had four lists, by continent, but as they were relatively-small, I think one list for 2021 will be fine. As a go-by, here's what you created for 2020: Hope you are well; and thank you! Also, cc others who know how to create WD redlists, --Rosiestep (talk) 22:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Women creators in Asia entering the public domain 2020 (WD)
 * Women creators in North America entering the public domain 2020 (WD)
 * Women creators in Latin America entering the public domain 2020 (WD)
 * Women creators in Europe entering the public domain 2020 (WD)
 * Hi I've already done them in my sandbox (under the 2021 header), I did them a while ago because we were planning on organizing something but we haven't organized anything. Are you planning on organizing something?  had some ideas she wanted to implement on. I'll create the 2021 list in the meanwhile, hopefully I don't screw it up. --Scann (talk) 22:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes, we'll be doing a "Public Domain" event in January 2021, similar to the one we did in January 2020. Those are cool Spanish-language Wikidata lists! It would be great if you could create the English-language Wikidata list which includes all the continents! Also, would be happy to work with on this event! --Rosiestep (talk) 22:56, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've created the draft meetup page: WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/184. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:04, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * For some reason the query times out when I try to do all of them together. I'll be waiting to see if can come up with a better solution than mine. --Scann (talk) 23:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I can give it a try tomorrow, but I understand there might still be some issues with the new update of ListeriaBot.  Gamaliel  ( talk ) 02:18, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Continuing

 * 2020 deaths WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/182 (Dec 2020 - Jan 2021)
 * #1day1woman2021: WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/184

Geofocus Africa contest

 * Women in Africa quarterly contest (Jan, Feb, Mar)
 * Africa contest logo for comment

Climate and environment
These topics are gaining worldwide importance as new targets are set for reducing CO2 increases over the coming decades in order to combat global warming. The US is once again set to provide support and coordination. We need to cover more women climatologists, meteorologists, environmentalists, conservationists and ecologists, including those engaged on the political front and in NGOs. I see we already have Wikidata redlists on climatologists, environmentalists and ecologists/conservationists but it might be worthwhile covering meteorologists (Q2310145) too.--Ipigott (talk) 10:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * We also have a large cs and wd list of earth scientists. TJMSmith (talk) 12:42, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * can you please doublecheck our meetup page for this event (WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/185) and add any additional redlists you think might be fitting, e.g. I know there was a redlist for Dr. Johnson's book, but I can't find it? Thank you! --Rosiestep (talk) 22:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Added two articles with redlinks, Sadads (talk) 21:11, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Firming up for January 2021
New * Climate and environment | Template:WIR-185: * Africa | Template:WIR-186: * Public domain | Template:WIR-187: Ongoing * 2020 deaths | Template:WIR-182: * #1day1woman2021 | Template:WIR-184: Year-long initiative * Women's rights | Template:WIR-188: Invite: Invite

Pinging you all to see if you have any new ideas or are happy with "Women who died in 2020" (continued from Dec 2020), Environment and Climate, Africa (Jan-Feb-Mar), and Public Domain (if someone can create the WD lists; see 2020's lists as a guide), in addition to #1day1woman. Do we want to do a year-long initiative, and if yes, which one? I volunteer to create the #1day1woman2021 meetup page; who wants to create the others? Also, I can create the invite after all the meetup pages are created. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:03, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I am, and probably will be, working on Women's nationality for the year. I'll try, in order to give myself a break to try to participate in other editathons, but make no promises. SusunW (talk) 18:07, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * All sounds good to me. I've been focusing on the recent obituaries this month, but will gladly work on Africa and environment/climate topics too. I'll get the Pinterest board set up for January.Penny Richards (talk) 18:13, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * All sounds good to me. I volunteer to make the barnstars and badges and keep an eye on the Continental Challenge Africa (Jan-Feb-Mar). I assume we'll keep the same format as with Asia for tallying. I posted the suggested image above. I always like the PD initiative, but don't know how to make the redlist. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:14, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , if we did a year-long initiative, I vote for "women's rights" as a theme. That would fit into 's nationality work and my suffrage work. Plus, there's so much more to do... custody of children, divorce rules, credit, etc. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ,, help. Which redlist(s) would support "women's rights theme"? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:33, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Women's rights is good for the year but we should also bring back sports for the Olympics in the summer. I'm glad to see you're taking this on, Rosie. I would appreciate a break from creating the meetup pages for a month or two but will of course help out if need be.--Ipigott (talk) 21:13, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * activists, pacifists, WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Suffrage, WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Social reformers, WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Politicians for a few, . SusunW (talk) 21:48, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , nice! Including all of these, the theme is quite broad and I think there will be a lot of variation for the participants. I, too, vote in favor of this. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , That's an awesome set of lists. Also I have a ton of more local suffragists that I can link to a suffrage redlist. is the Paralympics also happening this summer? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:06, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , this one is CS+WD: WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Suffragists.
 * , what do you think about a 3-month women's sports event around the time of the summer Olympics, e.g. the month before, the month of, and the month after? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:33, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * and, I volunteer to make the meet-up page for the Africa contest after dinner tonight, but will rely on your proofing skills. I'll ping you when it is in final draft. OK? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , sounds great and thank you! BTW, it'll be #186. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

- Please review for errors/omissions: invite, all the meetup pages, all the associated templates. Note, there will be one more (Africa #186) tomorrow. Thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:26, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * and all, Women in Africa contest | Jan-Feb-Mar 2021 is posted. There are no redlists for South Sudan or Togo. Don't know whether to leave it as a redlink or delete from the country list. I think I got all the countries. I put the transcontinental country Egypt in the list. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:47, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , super! --Rosiestep (talk) 03:57, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks all! Does WIR-186 extend to African diaspora or is this focused directly on citizens of African countries? TJMSmith (talk) 02:02, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks and  for putting the pages together so quickly and efficiently. They all look fine to me. I suppose most of the women of South Sudan can be found under Sudan. As for Togo, there are a few names under The World Contest. Maybe it would also be useful to create redlists. As for the Olympics,, the main event is from 23 July to 8 August while the Paralympics are from 24 August to 5 September. So perhaps the three months should be July, August and September. : The African contest is for people who are directly associated with the countries of Africa. The diaspora can be covered in connection with contests on the other continents or when we start contests on the US states and Canadian provinces. As last year, it would be nice, Rosie, if we could include greetings for the New Year in our invitation. As far as I can see, the only really important remaining item is the list of redlinks for PD 2021. It looks to me as if they could be based on those listed for PD 2020. Can you help out, ?--Ipigott (talk) 11:22, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I like that suggestion about the olympic/paralympic editathon. I think it would be really important to include coverage for both. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:52, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've figured out how to do the WD lists for the PD. You can check them here: Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:06, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Women in the public domain/Asia2021
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Women in the public domain/NorthAmerica2021
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Women in the public domain/LatinAmerica2021
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Women in the public domain/Europe2021
 * Great stuff, . I used to do that sort of thing myself a year or two ago until I was told my edits were frequently problematic. That's why I now prefer to leave it to the experts. But as far as I can see, your redlists are just what we need.--Ipigott (talk) 17:12, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * As you were! It looks as if they only cover deaths in 1950. I think we need help.--Ipigott (talk) 17:19, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I just tinkered with the dates in the code. I don't know what else to change... Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Good reminder! I've added the Happy New Year greeting to the invite., would you like to send the MassMessage? --Rosiestep (talk) 17:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , Sure! Sending now. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 02:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * My apologies, . I suddenly realized when I got to bed last night that of course all the deaths should be 1950. That's the whole point! Thanks once again and a Happy New Year to you too.--Ipigott (talk) 08:36, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , LOL. It's OK. Happy New Year to you, too. Let's make it a great year!!!! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:21, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've been mostly offline for a while. It's time to pick up again and get started. You have all made what I think are excellent choices I'm delighted to be working on for 2021. Thank you all.  &#9749;  Antiqueight  chatter 13:38, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Geofocus Africa contest

 * Women in Africa quarterly contest (Jan, Feb, Mar)

Annual initiative - Black History Month

 * with AfroCrowd
 * combined with Black Lives Matter

Annual initiative: Wiki Loves Folklore

 * Redlist: WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Folklore
 * Coordinator:

Women classicists
I think this would be useful in conjunction with Women's Classical Committee. We could perhaps also include women from the classical era. In this connection,, it might be useful to create a Wikidata list of women born before 400 AD along the lines of WikiProject MedievalWiki/Wikidata Redlist.--Ipigott (talk) 10:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , Just to add, I would love to know the secret to this query, because I've been trying to work out how to make a list of Ancient women for ages! Please let me know the secret Lajmmoore (talk) 09:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for February
NEW * Black women | Template:WIR-189 | * Folklore | Template:WIR-190 | * Classicists | Template:WIR-191 | CONTEST (Jan/Feb/Mar) * Africa | Template:WIR-186 | YEAR-LONG CAMPAIGN * Women's rights | Template:WIR-188 | CONTINUING * #1day1woman2021 | Template:WIR-184 |  | Template:WIR-00-2021 | INVITATION: Invite

and : Do we need to do any more pinging on this or can we just go ahead and prepare things?--Ipigott (talk) 15:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * - These options look great to me. I think it would be okay to move forward with them. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with . Let me know what you might need me to work on today. I'll be on and off Wikipedia most of today I think. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I can create the invite. Just let me know when it's time to do so. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * As you've worked on black women before, it would be great if you could check carefully through WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/189. I've included a link to AfroCrowd but from Meetup/NYC/AfroCrowd/Home, I can't see they have anything in the pipeline for February. Perhaps can provide additional details. If not, it might be better to delete our reference to them. I'll now try to find time to create the other pages.--Ipigott (talk) 11:39, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * - Hello! Women in Red has partnered with AfroCROWD in past Februarys to support Black History Month. As you can see, we will be facilitating another month-long online event this year. Will your community be doing something, too? If so, would you like to team up with us in some way? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , It looks good to me! :) I don't see anything posted on Afrocrowd, either. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


 * and : I prepared all the pages yesterday and updated the WiR template, events, other projects, etc., but perhaps no one noticed. As far as I can see, apart from the missing Wikidata list on women from the classical period, everything is ready to go. I'll leave the rest up to the two of you.--Ipigott (talk) 16:44, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * All, I have added links to the relevant pages at the top of this section to make reviewing easier. Thank you,, for creating all those pages and templates; well done. I have reviewed them, but hoping others can do so, too. , I have created the Invite. Do you have time to MassMessage after the double-checking has occurred? --Rosiestep (talk) 20:25, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , shall I MassMessage? --Rosiestep (talk) 02:53, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please go ahead. It'll soon be February.--Ipigott (talk) 07:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:01, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Geofocus Africa contest

 * Women in Africa quarterly contest (Jan, Feb, Mar)

Annual initiative: Art+Feminism

 * with Art+Feminism (Executive Director, )

Annual initiative: #VisibleWikiWomen with Whose Knowledge?

 * I've made an inquiry regarding VisibleWikiWomen 2021 campaign here. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:50, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for March
NEW * Art+Activism ** Event #192: Art+Activism ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-192 * VisibleWikiWomen ** Event #193: VisibleWikiWomen ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-193 CONTEST (Jan/Feb/Mar) * Africa ** Event #186: Africa ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-186 CONTINUING ** Event #188: Women's rights ** Template:WIR-188 ** Event #184: #1day1woman2021 ** Template:WIR-184 & Template:WIR-00-2021 INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2021


 * I remember seeing somewhere that you spoke to WiR enthusiasts regarding getting involved in the preparation of materials for the coming month's events. If you have time and inclination, would you kindly follow-up with that now regarding March events as many other communities are a step ahead of us in preparing their Women's History Month campaigns. In the meantime, I was bold and took the liberty of creating a campaign page for our annual March A+F event here: WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/192. It needs review and improvement but I did this because the page link was needed for an upcoming banner: m:Talk:Gender gap/International Women's Day. Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I also replicated last year's VisibleWikiWomen event here, WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/193, as Whose Knowledge confirmed their 2021 campaign today. --Rosiestep (talk) 06:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I took a look back at Rosie's request on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red for Quality Control (QC) on the new meet-up pages. It included creating the meetup pages with the corresponding banner templates, adapt the "clickables" on relevant pages, and add the new priorities to the Women in Red template and our Events page. I am pinging ,, and who offered to help. Here's where/when we start proofing the pages. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:16, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping! I will go read now and circle back with questions/comments. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:24, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I added a little non-required formatting to 192 but my feelings won’t be hurt if revised/removed, it’s just subjective preference. For 193, I wonder if elaborating a bit would be worthwhile—I felt I understood the event much better after I clicked through to the partner page, and could add a little more summary to our page. Happy to do it myself, just wanted to ask first as I’m new to this! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:40, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , Hello all! Is there anything left to do? Happy to help, but like people below could do with some pointers! Lajmmoore (talk) 21:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think all the tasks have been completed, but new eyes are always welcome. Check the navigation with in the meetup pages, spelling and just plain ol' logic. I am a terrible speller. If you notice anything questionable please make a note under this topic heading. Thank you.! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * :Also, thanks for the ping!  I have reviewed both 192 and 193.  I made one small typographical change.  I found the link for the talk banner template information a little confusing, so I reformatted it to explicitly name the usage page.  IdRatherBeAtTheBeach (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Friendly fyi: I haven't created the talkpage banners. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Good to know, thank you, and thank you for doing that! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to help where it's needed but have no idea what help is needed. If there is anything I can be pointed to and told to look after I can do that. I'm not sure I have the creative space to be able to proactively see what is needed and go do it at the moment.  &#9749;  Antiqueight  chatter 10:13, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . If you have time and inclination, the talkpage templates for #192 and #193 (redlinked above) still need to be created. Also, the March 2021 invite still needs to be created (WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2021). We won't send out the MassMessage notifications until everything has been checked out, so don't worry about perfection. Thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 07:49, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok I’ll try my hand at a template! I’ll start with 192 (noting so we don’t duplicate work—but will also come back if I fail massively!) Innisfree987 (talk) 07:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I think I did it! I confess I don’t know how it works, but it looks right. Still I will wait for more experienced eyes to check before I do another, lest I muck up a number of them! Innisfree987 (talk) 08:14, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I took a swing at March invite.....  &#9749;  Antiqueight  chatter 13:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me! I checked all the wikilinks, all seem to work and the numbers look right. Thanks ! Innisfree987 (talk) 16:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I, too, reviewed the invite and IMHO, it is perfect! --Rosiestep (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding template 193, it appears last year there wasn’t one, which makes some sense. There was a special Commons category though (in addition to the annual WiR cat); shall I make another for 2021? Innisfree987 (talk) 21:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Now there is a template—thank you . The event page doesn’t have a sidebar with instructions on using it yet (because last year’s didn’t have, I think), and I myself have a question about how it should be used—the top of the page asks that new Commons additions for other WiR events also be added to the 193 outcomes. Does that mean folks should additionally add multiple editathon templates to a given entry’s talk page? Innisfree987 (talk) 21:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I copied the content from 192 and added & edited it to 193. You are correct that the page asks users to submit new images to both "Media supported by WikiProject Women in Red - 2021" and "Campaign VisibleWikiWomen". If I understand you question correctly - I think that it is fine to add multiple tags to talk pages. It is up to the submitter and won't result in any double counting. It is also fine to add the category Media supported by WikiProject Women in Red - 2021 when uploading an image to the commons AND to show it on the #VisibleWikiWomen page., could you confirm that is correct? Thanks WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, for pinging me. I'm afraid I missed 's ping on the 12th but that might have been all to the good as I'm really pleased to see how things have advanced in the meantime. As for #193, there's no reason why multiple WiR tags should not be added to an article's talk page, just as a given article can be added to more than one meetup list. At least one of our editors systematically adds all new articles to #1day1woman although I only use it when nothing else applies. I'm a bit confused though about the link to #191. Is this intentional? Also in connection with #193, I was wondering if we should not specifically include new articles too, especially as many other initiatives will be collaborating with us. If so, I think it would be useful to add this to the introduction, also perhaps suggesting that newly discovered media could lead to new articles. I also note that in connection with #192, the National Women's History Alliance is extending focus on "Valiant Women of the Vote: Refusing to be Silenced" to 2021 and that Art+Feminism has an event at San Francisco Moma. Should we be taking these into account? And how about all the other related events? I'll have a good look through everything later in more detail. In the meantime, thank you all for your enthusiastic collaboration.--Ipigott (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the encouraging words !, ,, , and I all want to pitch in. Reading though the comments I can see we are still unsure about all that needs to be done. You, , , and others have been doing this for a long time and know all the steps. In the interest of bridging the gap, I have started a new section at the bottom of this page called Checklist for updates of virtual meetups. I have started a working list of tasks that need to be completed. It is very skimpy at the moment because I am not sure all that needs to be done :) I invite all pinged to add steps or known issues within those steps. It is purely administrative, so I think it would be best, for the purpose set out here, to keep it to the coding and creating and leave concepts like outreach and coordination with other wiki groups to as separate section. Apologizing in advance if I have stepped on any toes. And I apologize if I neglected to ping anyone who is participating. I am erring on the side of not over-pinging. Thanks WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:51, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Regarding 192
 * In connection with #192, should we not reflect Art+Feminism's focus on "we continue to address the gender gap and center the work of the work of women, feminist, BIPOC, queer, non-binary, and immigrant art and artists". Maybe this could be reflected in the title as well as in the introduction. How about "with an emphasis on minority communities"?. We could then list the pertinent redlists. Maybe has suggestions on this.--Ipigott (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I’m not Rosie but I vote in favor and can add that text, but might need help locating the relevant ref lists. For the title, how does “with an emphasis on marginalized [or “historically marginalized”] communities” sit? Just because in some locales BIPOC are not a minority. A thought, maybe others see it differently! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:20, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure about changing the title, but I think if someone has time/inclination to add the focus areas in the informational paragraphs (when I created the page, I did a copy/paste from the WiR A+F 2020 event page) plus creating/adding the associated redlists if they aren't already on the event page, that would be great!! --Rosiestep (talk) 19:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , great I’ll try! (Ultimately I agree about the title, when I went back to the event page it was hard to picture fitting more in.) Innisfree987 (talk) 19:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Great! Please indicate when it's ready for review by the rest of us. I think(?) it's the last outstanding item before MassMessage. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think it’s probably ready! I tried to add/create a few more redlink lists but I could do that indefinitely and it has plenty for folks to get started with. Meanwhile the description is all set. Innisfree987 (talk) 12:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, we are not yet listed on |Art+Feminism A+F events. I must say that as I am not on Facebook and am not keen to become a registered member of A+F with login requirements, etc., I cannot read or handle any of the dashboard stuff and therefore strongly suggest we should keep our usual meetup page. We are after all trying to promote Wikipedia. Perhaps once again who has had close contacts with A+F over the years can take care of this.--Ipigott (talk) 13:56, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I contacted A+F and their reply included a requirement to create a Dashboard so I did, but indicated WiR would not be using it. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked at their dashboard but could not find Women in Red. Perhaps it takes a day or two to filter through. I've made one or two minor adjustments to #192 and #193. As far as I am concerned, they seem ready to be included in invitations. I'm not too sure what more you would like me to do in connection with encouraging people to prepare for next month's events. Maybe the best way to do this would be to announce something on our talk page (perhaps with your invitation?), offering our support for their editathons and suggesting that they should add any articles they create or improve to our lists. The only editor I've really been in touch with up to now is who is organizing Meetup/Auckland 10 on 6 March. I see, btw, that despite the discouragement to use meetup pages, there are already quite a few on Category:Wikipedia meetups in March 2021.--Ipigott (talk) 11:29, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Regarding 193.
 * Previously participants have also been asked to add a Commons category VisibleWikiWomen (sometimes with a year, last year just that cat). Forgive me if I am overlooking an answer; should that or a 2021 version be included in the instructions for 193? Innisfree987 (talk) 13:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * This is the only category I am aware of for this campaign: VisibleWikiWomen-WikiProject Women in Red., hopefully, it shows up soon. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * and : On Commons, we already have Category:Media_supported_by_WikiProject_Women_in_Red_-_2021 which is a subcategory of Category:VisibleWikiWomen-WikiProject_Women_in_Red. But I see that since 5 February we now also have Category:VisibleWikiWomen_2021 as a full Commons category. I don't think it's necessary and suggest it should be deleted. We don't want to cause confusion.--Ipigott (talk) 16:29, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , oh thanks for explaining that WiR 2021 was already a subcat of the overall Visible.. cat; I could not make heads or tails that! Thanks for the assist. In that case it also makes sense to me that the 2021 cat might not be needed, but I see it was created by, who was in touch with here about the editathon ETA: and it seems the creation of a new cat was intentional. Maybe we can ask there if they’re sure they want it? (I’m happy to but don’t want to jump the line!) Innisfree987 (talk) 18:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I am pretty sure that Whose Knowledge wants to keep that category for their international campaign. I think if WiR wants to create yearly categories to supplement this, Category:VisibleWikiWomen-WikiProject Women in Red, that would be up to us, e.g. "Category:VisibleWikiWomen 2021 - WikiProject Women in Red" or something like that. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * There are currently 923 items in Category:Media_supported_by_WikiProject_Women_in_Red_-_2021 and only seven in Category:VisibleWikiWomen_2021. There seems to be a problem with logic here as Category:VisibleWikiWomen-WikiProject Women in Red and Category:VisibleWikiWomen 2021 are both subcategories of Category:VisibleWikiWomen. Similar problems seem to have existed in past years. If this was a Wikipedia category, then it certainly would not be permitted (except perhaps as a redirect) but maybe anything goes on Commons. But now we need to decide what we want our editors to do when they add images. Should we replace Category:Media_supported_by_WikiProject_Women_in_Red_-_2021 by Category:VisibleWikiWomen 2021 just in #192 or across the board for March 2021? I wonder what thinks about it. (I sincerely hope I'm not upsetting things - if so just ignore these exchanges and lets just see what happens if we do nothing about it at all. I've really very little experience of Commons categories but every time I have created new images, I've gone back and edited the image file with Category:Media_supported_by_WikiProject_Women_in_Red_-_2021 as I thought it would help with VisibleWikiWomen. Apparently I have been using the wrong category and so have many, many other editors.)--Ipigott (talk) 22:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , you're not alone. The Commons subcategories seemed messy to me, too. IMO, only 1 Women in Red category should be associated with VisibleWikiWomen: VWW-WiR. For example, the WiR 2021 category covers 12 month, so it's not really fitting for the 1 month (March 2021) joint campaign to include WiR images uploaded all yaer. Also: I think WiR editors should choose which category to use when they upload images in March, e.g. the VWS-WiR category and/or the WiR 2021 category. As for metrics, I assume that Whose Knowledge can run a script regarding which images were added to the VWW-WiR cat in 2021 vs. other years. This is just my opinion and I defer to those who have a better understanding of Commons, e.g. . --Rosiestep (talk) 04:26, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, , ! Thanks for ping me on this talk and sorry for my delayed response. Let's see if this can be a solution... You can use a category like Category:VisibleWikiWomen-WikiProject Women in Red - 2021 to gather images during the VWW campaign. That category could be simoultaneously under Category:Media supported by WikiProject Women in Red - 2021 and Category:VisibleWikiWomen 2021. So you only need to tell to your contributors to use Category:VisibleWikiWomen-WikiProject Women in Red - 2021 during the Women History Month or even during all the VWW campaign (March and April) if that makes sense for you. I've made a flowchart to put it viusally (that's helpful for me). That way you are collaborating with the campaign and, at the same time, you can count the images contributed by the initiative tracking the VisibleWikiWomen-WikiProject Women in Red - 2021 category. I'm happy to help with metrics at any time! --Señoritaleona (talk) 21:25, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to us on this. I've created Category:VisibleWikiWomen-WikiProject_Women_in_Red_-_2021, posted it as clearly as possible on WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/193, and substituted it on the images already added there. The only problem is that I expect most of the other images added to Commons in March by WiR participants will continue to include Category:Media_supported_by_WikiProject_Women_in_Red_-_2021 as that's the one we've been using up to now. If the number of images carrying VisibleWikiWomen-WikiProject_Women_in_Red_-_2021 is considered sufficiently important, we could double check that all the pertinent images are using it (perhaps adding it to all those included under our other priorities in March). I hope  agrees with this approach and can perhaps sort out how the new category should tie up with Category:VisibleWikiWomen-WikiProject_Women_in_Red.--Ipigott (talk) 09:42, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


 * MassMessaging
 * and : Isn't it about time the invitations were sent out? As far as I can see, there are no major problems with any of the priorities. I really don't want to be pushy but I think I should wait for the invitations before making any announcements on our main page or talk page.--Ipigott (talk) 15:28, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I can sent them out. February is such a short month! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:23, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * A friendly FYI, ... I went ahead and MassMessaged today as I wasn't sure if maybe you had internet problems. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I had life problems. On Wednesday, I received a letter from the City informing me that I was being laid off. All of the rest of us librarians on furlough were going to be laid off-- around 75 library staff in total. The press, however, found out. Our new mayor pushed back against our City manager... so the next day on Thursday I guess they were working behind the scenes while I was frustrated, scared, and unable to get anything of substance done. By 8pm, I recevied a call from City HR saying that they changed their minds and I could disregard the lay off. Almost all of us have now been reinstated as of Friday. Still, at least 11 library employees are in limbo. To make this long story short: the City tried to lay us off, the press covered it, people rallied behind us, and the City caved. They called us back. It's been an emotional rollercoaster and I was drained. Thank you for picking up my slack. I said I could send them out before I got the email about the layoff. What a mess! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:27, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * So sorry to hear about the employment roller coaster. It is traumatic for you, your friends and colleagues even with the reversal. Sending good thoughts to the ones in limbo. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , OMG! That's a nightmare-ish rollercoaster! Most importantly, I'm glad that you get to keep your job. But I can't even imagine what the day was like for you. Just know that whenever it's possible, I've got your back. Sending a virtual hug... --Rosiestep (talk) 23:15, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , sending my support as well, what a horrible scare! I hope you have a quiet moment to recover this weekend. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:38, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * How short-sighted can these city authorities be??? It seems so obvious that at a time like this, librarians are among those who can provide the greatest level of support for those facing Corona-based restrictions. And once things start returning to normal, they'll be in even greater demand. Fortunately, as far as I can see, El Paso seems to be on its own in threatening the livelihood of librarians. I see you aired your case on KTSM and the Herald Post (but I cannot access their sites from Europe). However, I was able to read about your case in Spanish from El Diario. So the outcome seems to be largely thanks to you. Well done and keep your spirits up!--Ipigott (talk) 09:32, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, , thanks so much for your support! Our fight did lead to most of us getting reinstated and that felt really good. If we hadn't spoke to the press, I think we would have been laid off. But yeah, the way they did things felt like emotional abuse. The up and down of it all made me exhausted and only this morning do I finally feel somewhat human again! :P Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:46, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Plants & Gardens

 * Based on this conversation below: WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Ideas There are WD lists for Gardeners, Florists, Plant Ecologists, Botanists already and I bet there are others amongst other categories. It was pointed out that Spring in the Northern, and Autumn in the Southern Hemisphere, are both good times to be in the garden. Lajmmoore (talk) 19:09, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Adding links to the redlists mentioned by . --Rosiestep (talk) 17:00, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Florists
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Gardeners
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Plant ecologists
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Botany
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Botanists


 * Also Mycologist, Lichenologist, Botanical Illustrator, Botanical Collector, etc. I tried to run a query for them but I don't think it worked! Lajmmoore (talk) 19:15, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Gardeners?
Hi All, I wondered whether a theme for Spring 2021 (or anytime) could be gardeners/horticulture/women with plants named after them/plant scientists, etc.? I couldn't see a discussion in the archive! (Lajmmoore (talk) 12:15, 25 August 2020 (UTC)) Just giving a bump to this idea   of gardeners and planty people. There's a discrete Wikidata list just for Gardeners here User:Lajmmoore/sandbox (but please you tell me how to fix the final column?) We could add botanists, etc, then others too like landscape gardener? Lajmmoore (talk) 21:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think this would be lovely in the springtime, perhaps April 2021? We could add garden writers, horticulturists, flower growers... --Rosiestep (talk) 21:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Definitely interested! And if you want to extend the theme sideways, we could include women named Daisy, Rose, Violet, Iris, Marguerite, Sakura, Lily, Jasmine, Fleur, Flora, etc. etc. ;) Penny Richards (talk) 21:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Why have we never thought of it before? We'll certainly take it on. Have you any redlists or ideas about the women we should work on, ? If it's for the spring, we've plenty of time to prepare things.--Ipigott (talk) 21:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm still learning how to make red-lists, but I did some queries and I think there's quite a few people under Florist, Botanist, etc. I'd be happy to work on some lists as I need the practice over the next few weeks. The User:Lajmmoore/sandbox/Gardeners Redlist list is a start. Lajmmoore (talk) 21:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * also plant illustrators/painters? ps. april is autumn downunder, still a lovely time of year in the garden. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:08, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks! I'll pop it forward for April then - whether you're waking up or bedding down your garden! Lajmmoore (talk) 19:00, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's a short WD list of plant ecologists :) Great idea! TJMSmith (talk) 13:26, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * OOH. Yes! Thanks Planty People in all forms! Lajmmoore (talk) 19:00, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello all - I've started an event page for this one - it's a) Very early and b) Untidy - but it is the first one I've ever tried to put together: WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/194. However, I've got a bit stuck on the Template making steps as I'm not quite following the instructions below. I'd like to do it myself, so if anyone can point me to a guide I'd be very grateful   Thanks very much! Lajmmoore (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for starting this! I'm not sure about that step, but I am sure Rosie or the others will let you know. I just did a minor tweak (adding columns). Looking forward to the Spring! I know in January there was an event on the climate/environment. Totally optional, but could consider adding some of those lists...Climatologists (WD), Earth scientists (WD), Environmentalists (WD), Ecologists/conservationists (WD), US Department of Agriculture (WD), US Geological Survey (WD). It's also fine as is since there seem to be several more plant specific redlink indexes! TJMSmith (talk) 15:31, 6 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The way I create templates is simply to take one of the existing ones, e.g. Template:WIR-192, display it by additing it to the search box, then click on edit. You get:

Then in another window you add the template you want to create in the search box (e.g. Template:WIR-192), then go ahead and create it. You just need to add the sequence from the firs template, simply changing the essentials, i.e. March to April, 192 to 194 and Art+Activism to Plants & Gardens. Then create it in the normal way, perhaps using preview to check it out before clicking on publish. Hope this is clear. If not, let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 15:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for taking the initiative, !!! --Rosiestep (talk) 16:28, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for April
Since I have a few minutes this afternoon and I see we are getting near the end of the month... Here's a very rough template to start. Pinging, , , , and. I started with the basic to-do list. So the first course of action is to confirm these are the topics and to add additional topics. Then numbers can be assigned. I'd like to try to create the Europe contest page and associated template. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:26, 20 March 2021 (UTC) NEW * Plants & Gardens ** Event #194: Plants & Gardens ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-194 * Gender studies ** Event #195: Gender studies ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-195 CONTEST (Apr/May/Jun) * Europe ** Event #196: Europe ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-196 CONTINUING ** Event #188: Women's rights ** Template:WIR-188 ** Event #184: #1day1woman2021 ** Template:WIR-184 & Template:WIR-00-2021 INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2021

Thanks,. This line-up looks fine to me. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response and event numbers !

So If we divided this up by topic, has taken the lead with Plants & Gardens, I want to create Continental Challenge: Europe. We need someone to create Gender studies and talkpage template and someone to create the invitation. Please add your name if you would like to take the lead on one of these topics. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:48, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Plants & Gardens - Lajmmoore
 * Gender studies - Ipigott
 * Europe - WomenArtistUpdates
 * Invitation - Rosiestep

,, What date would you like to send out the invitation? Will you three veterans serve as a final pair of eyes and mentors? Thanks WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:48, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Absolutely! We can send out the invite this coming weekend, I think. :) Ping me and I'm on it. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:42, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks,, for Plants & gardens. Looks fine to me. I've added garden designers together with a few redlinks. I see we have Category:Landscape or garden designers.--Ipigott (talk) 17:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I've got the page ready, but I need to sort out the other bits like the template. I'll get onto it this week! Thanks both Lajmmoore (talk) 18:42, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I made the talkpage template for Plants & gardens. Do you remember how we made the short URLs that are at the top of the page? I need one for Women in Europe contest. if anyone remembers, would you add it? Thanks WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:53, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , this one? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UrlShortener Lajmmoore (talk) 20:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC) Yes, that one. Thanks! ✅ WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:07, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Ooh and thank you for doing the template! Lajmmoore (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

HI, At your convenience, would you make an April Women in Red Pinterest board? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * : Done! April 2021 Editathons on Pinterest Penny Richards (talk) 02:09, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I really enjoy looking at those boards and seeing the array of images. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:16, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * #196, the Europe contest, looks fine too. Thanks for all your efforts.--Ipigott (talk) 10:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! I hope Europe has good participation. Do you (or anyone) have suggestions for "Crowd sourced" redlists or "Dictionaries" redlists? I have left those sections blank rather than delete. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:21, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You could perhaps add a link to WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Resources/Fully_accessible_biographical_dictionaries where quite a few are listed under European countries. The only problem is that many of them are not in English. As for crowd-sourced, may WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality where there are listings for a few European countries.--Ipigott (talk) 15:48, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

As I did Gender studies last year, I created this year's page too. Tried to add a short url but it was not allowed. Perhaps could double-check everything and put the invitation together.--Ipigott (talk) 10:58, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I added the short URL for Gender studies WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:25, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * , a friendly FYI (in case you are documenting what all the steps are for the monthly preparation), I just added #195 and #196 here. Lajmoore had already added #194, so this part of the preparations (adding the events to the WIR template) is also done. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:52, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the FYI . I do want to document the steps. I have inserted the template update as step 4 in administrative list as the bottom of the page. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:28, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * And I've just added them to WikiProject Women in Red/Events. I see this was already included as Step 8.--Ipigott (talk) 15:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I doublechecked the event pages and templates. They look ready so I added OK next to #194, #195, #196 above (Step #[foo]?).
 * I added "Mark reviewed items with ." to the end of "Step 6"
 * Would someone please doublecheck the Invite, and if/when okay, put the "ok" template next to it in the blue box above. Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:37, 22 March 2021 (UTC)Looks good to me. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:07, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I created the Invite, so it's ready to be MassMessaged anytime it's convenient for you. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:41, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I edited the invite to say "New" Contest as the "Women in Europe contest" is launching in April. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:51, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , ✅ Invites sent! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:17, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * and, I worked on updating clickables and Step 8, but need you to check that I updated correctly. Thanks WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:51, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The clickables look fine to me. Thanks once again for all your efforts on this and the contest. If I have time tomorrow, I'll alert the major European wikiprojects on the Europe context.--Ipigott (talk) 15:57, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for May 2021
NEW * May Mays ** Event 197: May Mays ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-197 * Mental health ** Event 198 (Mental Health Awareness Month): Mental Health ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-198 CONTEST (Apr/May/Jun) * Europe ** Event #196: Europe ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-196 CONTINUING ** Event #188: Women's rights ** Template:WIR-188 ** Event #184: #1day1woman2021 ** Template:WIR-184 & Template:WIR-00-2021 ANNOUNCEMENTS (FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * m:Wikimedia CEE Spring 2021/CEE Women * 100 DC Women * m:The Wikipedia Library/1Lib1Ref INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2021 COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events May is on the horizon. Here's a very rough template to start. Pinging, , , , , , , and. I started with the basic to-do list. So the first course of action is to confirm these are the topics and to add additional topics. Then numbers can be assigned. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:00, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for starting this, . I added a bit more for everyone's consideration. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:32, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I am sorry I forgot to include and  in the original blast. I'm gonna put you in there now so that if we do a copy and paste next month you be there. Also a reminder that  the Basic overview of tasks is a working document, so if anyone wants to add tips there, please do. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:58, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Not sure enough about the May Mays or CEE Women to create those templates  &#9749;  Antiqueight  chatter 20:43, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * She said promptly trying to create the May one!  &#9749;  Antiqueight  chatter 21:18, 22 April 2021 (UTC)


 * , This one might serve as a go-by for May Mays: July Julies. This one might serve as a go-by for CEE Women: Geofocus: Central & Eastern Europe. (Got them from here:  .--Rosiestep (talk) 00:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thank you for those. I've taken a swing at CEE and will look at May again after work (if no one else beats me to it).  &#9749;  Antiqueight  chatter 08:33, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I popped in to see how preparation was going and proofread. I'm not much into abbreviations so CEE Women and 100 DC Women didn't mean a lot to me. I also wondered how CEE Women differs from Women in Europe? That said, bios I write almost always end up in #1day1woman. And is there a chance to mention #1Lib1Ref, even though not a specifically WiR project? Oronsay (talk) 01:19, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Quick question for the elders: the 100 DC Women is invitation to collaborate correct? If so can you offer guidance on 100 DC Women? Will we just point to the 100 DC Women announcement or will we assign it WiR # 200 with a page? Thanks WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:06, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I think it would suffice to "announce" and include the URL for the 100 DC Women contest on our monthly invite. Likewise, for the annual Central Eastern European women campaign, we could announce it and include the URL, as, you're right, we have our own Europe contest happening now. Same for #1lib1ref: we can announce it and include a link (is it still happening?). --Rosiestep (talk) 16:38, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think announcing and adding a link is a good idea. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:35, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Great and  :) 197 is May Mays and 198 is Mental health. Please confirm that we will not be including them in the headers for the new and ongoing pages (no clickables). See the announcement for the edits I've made there regarding the three collaborations., please stand down on CEE. Thanks! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:11, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, , WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/198 need to be changed from CEE to Mental Health, due to the changes above. We got going a wee bit too fast. Thanks! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:22, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


 * 197 event page and template look ok to me.
 * I changed the 198 event page to Mental Health. It needs two more things: lede paragraph plus redlists. Can someone please add.
 * I tweaked the invitation, separating our events from those facilitated by others. We've never done this before -- announced the events faciliated by others on our invite. Need more opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosiestep (talk • contribs) 14:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think it looks good, too. I like the announced events on other projects. I don't think we always need to do that, but it's nice to shout out other projects from time to time. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 01:52, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the invitation looks good too! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:54, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * While we're on the invitation, it looks OK to me too but will remember that we have in the past received comments on the need to keep our invitations relatively small. Nevertheless I think we should try this one out and see if there any reactions. There also may be a problem in the invitation with "Become a member". One editor in particular has been trying to delete all references to members and membership, replacing "member" by "participant" in this and other wikiprojects. The former "Join WikiProject" has now been changed to "Participate" in the box on our main page but remains "Join WikiProject" on WikiProject Women in Red/Members. As a result, some of those participating in our events think they have registered as members of the project when they list themselves under "Participants" on a meetup page. There's also a problem with "Meet the participants" as if you click on one of the names displayed, you are directed to the top of the new simplified list of members rather than to the "card" of the member in question. All this seems to be causing problems as we haven't had many new members recently and none for over a week. (Perhaps  can see what we can do about this or whether we should somehow completely escape from Project X and develop some new tools.) The other matter is red links for mental health. Perhaps  can help out with a new redlist on "mental health professionals" (Q6817473) but we could also include links to other healthcare lists. We already have psychologists. I'll look at everything a little more carefully over the next day or two.--Ipigott (talk) 10:34, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should just switch back to the members nomenclature. It's clear now it was working for everyone and the change only brought disruption to the project? MarioGom (talk) 10:39, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I certainly think that would help us maintain the project as it was originally designed but I don't expect would allow it for a minute. Just look at his reactions on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council and in previous exchanges in connection with this project. Maybe the easy solution would simply be to completely do away with project members and rely on participation in our events on our meetup pages. At the moment the whole business of registration, membership lists and info on individual members is in a real mess. Whenever I try to find out what new members are interested in, I have to go into special contributions to look at their "cards" edits. Wouldn't it be much easier to suggest they provide details of their interest in supporting articles about women on their user pages? We could encourage all existing members to update their user pages along these lines. Maybe other editors including, ,  and  could participate in this discussion. Perhaps we should bring it to the main WiR talk page?--Ipigott (talk) 19:38, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * To the contrary, I've been concerned that making what appeared to be a simple wording change ended up having fallout effects because of the old, unmaintained code structures behind this project's layout system. By all means switch back to "members" until the code is fixed, if that's what's really needed.  This project is in an unusual position in having two very different kinds of participants of things (the project, and events) to keep track of.  My being opposed in general to wikiprojects trying to pose as a exclusive members-only clubs doesn't mean I'm blindly uncaring about short-term technical needs, and I don't like being painted as some kind of enemy of your project.  Nor am in a position to "allow" or "disallow" anything at this page or any other, per WP:OWN.  So, try turning it down a notch, please.  Not every disagreement or technical snafu needs to be cast as if it's some kind of life-or-death struggle. This project is too much of a drama-magnet as it is (for reasons that matter far, far more than this kind of trivia; save your energy for where it's actually needed).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding the May invitation, do you want me to make changes? --Rosiestep (talk) 19:52, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * : No, the invitation's fine. As you must know, I always appreciate the initiatives you make to attract further interest in the project. As I said above, I think we should try it out with the additional section you have included and see how it goes. My other comments are in connection with the difficulties we are currently encountering more generally with the concept of membership and the problems resulting from the death of Project X. I was hoping to receive some reactions in this connection too but this may not be a suitable venue for discussion. Let's just see how things develop over the next few weeks.--Ipigott (talk) 20:11, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ., do you have time to send out the MassMessage in the next day or two? There might still be some tasks for the Mental Health event (e.g. adding redlists) but I don't think we have to wait for that in order to push out the notification. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:00, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi all. I added check marks to all the remaining item except for the Mental Health event. As noted, it is technically functional, it just needs introductory text and redlists and would not effect the invitation being sent. I think the invite is fine. Not too long at all and helps get the word out about sister events. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Would one of you write the lede paragraph plus add redlists for the Mental Health? It is beyond my area of expertise and it looks you requested the topic. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:14, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I made a start by cribbing ’s proposal; would welcome more eyes on to revise my text as needed, and also add more red link lists. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:46, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , apologies! I kept forgetting to help with this each time I logged in - really sorry! I've added psychologists to the redlists and will add some more before May! text looks good though Lajmmoore (talk) 07:15, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you and ! I am going to put a check mark by that item. I updated the "Template:Women in Red navigation" to include the new events, so it looks like we are through step 5 of the |Checklist for updates of virtual meetups. Shall we do a final, final click through, , , , , , and ? It looks good to me, but it would be great if some "new eyes" could run through it. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, for creating a redlist on mental health professionals. I noticed that both psychiatrists and psychologists were included under this item on Wikidata and expected them to be listed too, together with any other related items. Are you able to adapt the listing along these lines? If not, perhaps or  could help out.--Ipigott (talk) 11:19, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm not skilled enough (yet) to run more than super basic wikidata - so yes please if or  had time, that would be excellent. I also tried to run a query for Psychotherapists, as a related profession, but listeria kept timing out - any advice for me to make it work (its in my sandbox at the moment)? Lajmmoore (talk) 12:37, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, I'm afraid this is beyond my Wikidata skills and hope that will have time to help.--Oronsay (talk) 16:28, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * One more item. I’ve added updating the “Events” page to be part of the monthly to-dos, and I have done that task to the best of my ability, but was unsure whether to link or remove CEE, given it’s separated out on the invite. Opinions? Thank you! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I think we should remove CEE. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:13, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Great, done. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:15, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if everything is done, but in the interest of time, I'll send out the MassMessage. If something still needs doing and if you aren't sure how to do it, or lack time/inclination, please put a note on the main WiR talkpage so that perhaps someone else can get to it. Thanks everyone for your help in coordinating May's events. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:30, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you ! Everything was ready to go. I confused things by suggesting another proof-read. The green check marks on all items on the list should indicate that the invitation can be sent. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:13, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Annual initiative: CEE women

 * with CEE User Group

Geofocus Europe contest

 * Women in Europe quarterly contest (Apr, May, Jun)

Mental Health
May is Mental Health Awareness Month in the US and MH week in the UK. Maybe a focus on those with mental health issues, Mental health professionals, healthy lifestyle influencers/writers, counselors, social workers, neurologists, and neuroscientists. This could be in collaboration with WP:NEURO, Medicine, and Psychology. TJMSmith (talk) 18:55, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , I like this idea to focus on mental health A LOT! Lajmmoore (talk) 21:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Belated but I too think this is a great idea! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I am thinking a broad scope. Yogis can fall under health lifestyle/mental health also. TJMSmith (talk) 22:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , broad is always great—the more people who feel their interests are welcomed, the better! Meanwhile we are pushing forward with the 25,000-entry Dictionary of Women Worldwide redlist, organized by occupation, so by May I hope it should be possible to pull a list of a redlinked women in a wide variety of relevant occupations, with a strong likelihood of notability. (Right now, working alphabetically, we’ve got a great many actresses and ballerinas but more variation ahead I imagine!) Innisfree987 (talk) 22:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * We are to the letter O—will try to hurry up and get to the psychiatrists and psychologists while it would still be useful! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:54, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , might be something to publicize at WikiProject Disability too? Penny Richards (talk) 15:55, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , good idea yes. Do we make a banner or something similarly eye-catching? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I came here specifically looking for this very topic.


 * I've been involved with Ann Walker's article since it's creation in November 2019. The idea for the article started as a small movement on Twitter among fans of the Sally Wainwright and BBC/HBO production of Gentleman Jack. Walker is well known around the world by fans of the show. Walker is also well known by academic and amateur researchers alike familiar with her famous partner, world traveller, 19th century lesbian and UK Memory of the World Register diarist Anne Lister. Walker is listed along with Lister on the commemorative plaque outside of Holy Trinity Church, York where, on Easter Sunday 1834, they exchanged vows and consecrated their union. Many are familiar with the documented real-life mental health challenges from Lister's diaries. And wouldn't you know? 20 May is the anniversary of Walker's birth (1803).


 * There are some organizations I can reach out to that are connected to the community and discovering new sources for research about her life that were previously lost or unknown. They have a good-sized following around the world. Their followers are largely in the UK, the US, and Canada. I don't know what they've planned so far this year, so no promises. They also have connections with people who work closely with the creative/consulting teams on the show.


 * Let me know if you're interested and I'll get in touch with them ASAP. I would be over the moon if we could help you out in some way to promote mental health awareness in May and somehow incorporate Ann Walker's story and legacy as well. Kimdorris (talk) 22:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Kimdorris (talk) 07:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for June 2021
NEW * Wiki Loves Pride | LGBTQ+ Women ** Event 199: LGBTQ+ women ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-199 * June Junes ** Event 200: June Junes ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-200 *Jewelers/horologists ** Event 201: Jewellers & Watchmakers ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-201 CONTEST (Apr/May/Jun) * Europe ** Event #196: Europe ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-196 CONTINUING ** Event #188: Women's rights ** Template:WIR-188 ** Event #184: #1day1woman2021 ** Template:WIR-184 & Template:WIR-00-2021 ANNOUNCEMENTS (FACILITATED BY OTHERS) HyperText Markup Language* m:The Wikipedia Library/1Lib1Ref INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2021 COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events Figured I’d take a turn getting this started! Here's set of to-dos. Pinging, , , , , , , and  (apologies if I missed anyone interested!) The first item would be to confirm the events & their titles—especially “horologists” vs “jewelers” vs other? Also: it may not be necessary to announce #1lib1ref again since we’ve already done so once and it only runs five days into June. Innisfree987 (talk) 12:00, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * All topics sound fine to me. I'd like to volunteer for the June Junes event page and template. However, I don't know how to make the Women named June redlist. I await confirmation of the list and numbering before beginning. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I went ahead and created the 'women named June' redlist. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:17, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! I will still await consensus on topics before starting :) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm totally down with whatever we go with. Let me know if you need mass messaging. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 02:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * That one seems ready to proceed to me! Innisfree987 (talk) 03:39, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll get started on 200 June Junes. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you and I love the image you picked! Perfect. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:02, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Invitation. I’ve begun it but it will need some tightening up. Innisfree987 (talk) 03:39, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Statistics in template on right hand side near top of each meeting page need to be updated to 18.90%. Afraid I can't remember where to find the relevant doc to update.--Oronsay (talk) 21:22, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , good question! I found my way back to it at Template:WHGI, a bit confusing now that we don’t use WHGI as the basis for the measurement, but for now I have just updated it—thank you! (I leave conversation about whether it should be renamed to folks at a higher pay grade!) Innisfree987 (talk) 21:48, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Punch list
Remaining to-dos before sending invite: Nearly done in one day—wow! Thanks all! Innisfree987 (talk) 23:33, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Jewellers & Watchmakers event page needs some text and a check to confirm all available redlists are included.
 * Then a proofread.
 * June Junes event page needs a proofread.
 * Invitation needs a general check for formatting & what’s included (all ok with leaving out #1lib1ref which ends June 5? Or include?)
 * I think we've done our part for #1lib1ref, so I vote to leave it off the June invitation. I'm gonna recuse myself from the final proof-read as I've worked on all the pages. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:42, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm pinging, , , to request a proof-read and add OK where needed. Thanks! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , etc. Thanks so much - I've got a deadline today, but I can finesse/proof on Tues/Weds Lajmmoore (talk) 07:15, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , a last read-through of the still- ones would be wonderful! Thank you! Innisfree987 (talk) 03:34, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I've read through and they look all OK to me. Added a couple more bits, but seem good to go! Lajmmoore (talk) 13:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , terrific, I think we’re good to go—,—I’m not sure who else needs a ping!—but each item has been reviewed by several sets of eyes and should be ready whenever you want to send it out!
 * Thanks to everyone for making this such a smooth process! Innisfree987 (talk) 15:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Everything looks fine to me. Thanks for creating WiR Pride June 2021.png. Perhaps  would also like to know everything's ready to go.--Ipigott (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , for some odd reason, I did not get this ping from you! I'll MassMessage now. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Annual initiative: Pride with LGBT+
For go-bys: --Rosiestep (talk) 14:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 2020 event page: WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/167, which includes 2 redlists.
 * 2020 talkpgae template: WIR-167
 * Thank you, I can take care of this one. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * If anyone has a Pride image they particularly like, let me know! My favorite from the Commons appears to show mostly men. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I put in this for now (the umbrella is nice symbolism) but open to more ideas! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:07, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I made a logo. I added it to the Pride tag for June Template:WIR-199. I can change the silhouette to black or white if the red seems too busy. Feel free to critique! Would we want to add it to the invitation?WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:47, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I love it and think it would be great on the invite! Thanks for doing that! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:42, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think it's brilliant! I think the woman might stand out more if they're in black, BUT I LOVE IT Lajmmoore (talk) 07:16, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think you are correct that it "reads" better with a black silhouette. Refresh this page to see the change. I can easily change it back if others prefer the red silhouette. (WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Ooh I like it! Sleek! Let’s stick with this new one, I say. Innisfree987 (talk) 03:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Annual initiatives: June Junes

 * For go-bys: We've never done a June Junes event, but we did do July Julies in 2020. So these links are meant to be examples:
 * event page
 * WIR-170 (Talkpage template).


 * Regarding redlists, July Julies included two: Women born in July (WD) and Women named Julie. For June Junes, we have Women born in June, but need someone to make Women named June. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I've created this redlist: Women named June (WD). --Rosiestep (talk) 16:17, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Geofocus Europe contest

 * Women in Europe quarterly contest (Apr, May, Jun)

Horologists
Hello all - just adding this discussion to the ideas list. There's a WD list started now, with a small number of women in clock and watchmaking, but I'm going to try and populate it a bit further and then perhaps it could be a future theme? It the linked discussion, silversmithing was mentioned, which made me wonder whether a broader theme could be Jewellery and Watches? I'm not sure if that's been done before? e.g. Horologists, Goldsmiths, Silversmiths, Gemologists maybe? Lajmmoore (talk) 08:58, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Suggested on the WiR talk page by. This should include both contemporary and historical women involved in designing and making and clocks and watches, as well as those running business initiatives. We already have: which could no doubt be expanded.--Ipigott (talk) 10:17, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Horologists
 * ,, , What about Jewellers & Watchmakers as the overall theme for this - to include Horologists of course, but perhaps Goldsmiths, Silversmiths, Gemologists too? I'm happy to work up a page for it in a couple of weeks? I've not checked the archive listing though, so apologies if the idea has been done already Lajmmoore (talk) 12:43, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I like the broader scope as there are only 16 articles in the Horologists redlist. We need a jewelers redlist (to include Goldsmiths, Silversmiths, Gemologists, etc. like you mention) tohave a better idea of how many names would be available for editors to work on. Does that sound okay? --Rosiestep (talk) 13:03, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I've created this WD redlist, WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Jeweller (which includes amber jeweler, beadworker, diamond cutter, Fabergé workmaster, goldsmith, gemcutter, jeweler, jewelry designer, silversmith), but when I tried to update the list for the first time, I got this message, "Killed by OS for overloading memory." so I don't know how many items we've got here. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:09, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops,, I see that you already created this, WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Goldsmiths, silversmiths and jewellers. Please let me know how to proceed, e.g. I should delete one? --Rosiestep (talk) 17:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , it looks like the list you started isn’t loading (have heard it doesn’t like long lists these days) so that might be the one to let go of, but I like your ideas for what to include! If it’s not too much trouble, maybe a shorter “gem and beadwork” (or something like that) list that gets the occupations Lajmmoore’s list doesn’t have? Innisfree987 (talk) 17:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Altho maybe it depends on what folks want to title the event? Innisfree987 (talk) 17:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ,,   - I'm happy to build the page for this one! In terms of a title "Jewellers & Watchmakers" maybe? I'll do a list and adapt Rosie's on gems and beads? I'll put in the desciption that watches also includes clocks. Does that sound OK? Lajmmoore (talk) 20:15, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , sounds great to me! I’ll update the board but we can always tweak if folks have more ideas. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:24, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Good for me too. It's good to see we have one good Wikidata list that works. There are certainly enough names on "Goldsmiths, silversmiths and jewellers" to keep us going for a month. For once, Europeans and particularly Scandinavians seem to dominate -- so you can certainly count on my participation.--Ipigott (talk) 05:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent! I started the event page but it needs the basic text, and some may wish to change the image and/or add more redlists. Innisfree987 (talk) 10:24, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * ,, , I've added an intro and a few redlinks. It's probably not very important but I must say I'm a bit worried about the spellings. "Jeweller" with two Ls is rare in American English. Webster has "jeweler". Ditto for "jewelry" vs "jewellery". While we have Category:Jewellers and Category:Jewellery, both alternatives are used in Wikipedia articles, no doubt depending on who created them. Wikidata has "jeweler" and "jewelry". As I didn't start the event page, I've kept to "jeweller" but we have normally used American spellings for our events. Up to the rest of you to decide whether we need to change anything (or make any redirects).--Ipigott (talk) 09:06, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks so much for writing the text. And it’s no problem to me to switch to the American if that’s the convention. I started with two L’s just following the red link list title, no strong view about it either way here! Innisfree987 (talk) 11:52, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * First of all, thanks for your efforts on all three new events. I've checked them through and they all seem fine. As for the spellings, let's just see what the others say. I don't really mind one way or the other either. In my additional redlinks to Americans, I've used jeweler and jewelry as I think it will be easier to find more sources with those spellings.--Ipigott (talk) 12:10, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm cool with either spelling. As we commonly use American English spelling, it'll be nice to mix it up with British English this time. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:51, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Geofocus Latin America contest

 * Latin America quarterly contest (Jul, Aug, Sep)

Mind your elders
Yes, I have an idea that is pretty developed at this point. Mind your elders is a translate-a-thon for 13 notable women centenarians who have articles on other language Wikipedias but not on enwiki. The event page is at User:Peaceray/sandbox/Mind your elders & I just need to know where to move or copy the code. Others may wish to customize the header(s). I can then set about scheduling it on the dashboard & elsewhere.

I think this is pretty close to turn-key in turns of setting up the documentation resources. My thought is to schedule a several weekend Zoom sessions in July, but I see no reason why it could not continue into August. It would just depend on which articles editors pick up & how quickly people translate them. Peaceray (talk) 00:57, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Remarkable effort now incorporated into June Europe contest! Encourage all to take a look—even if you feel your language skills aren’t perfectly fluent, there’s so much support here to make it vastly more feasible. Amazing work! Innisfree987 (talk) 11:03, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Women in Olympic & Paralympic Games
Here is the work list! I had a couple of questions about the titles, 1, whether to use sentence case, and 2, whether the Oly/Paralympics event was indeed broadly about sports or if title should just be about the Games. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * & I think it should be called Olympics & Paralympics that way Art competitions at the Olympic Games can be included. I know there's a redlist around here somewhere. I just can't remember where I put it. I took the liberty of changing it up in the checklist. I've got some stuff to do IRL today, but will resume my search this evening. Meanwhile if there is a disagreement, change it back :) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh perfect—I was just trying to think how we could broaden it because when we got to “Olympians” in the DoWW, essentially every single one already had an entry. But you’re right, this way we can describe it as something like “the Olympic and Paralympic Games and all related sports, art, poetry” etc. Thanks for updating the title. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah I see from the red list index that’s not an issue! Just to confirm (as I’m not familiar with Sports Reference), does anyone know, are these strictly Olympians? If yes I’ll update the list description to be clearer: WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_identifier/SR Innisfree987 (talk) 18:16, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I found the list I was looking for, but it isn't a redlist: Category:Olympic competitors in art competitions, which contains some articles that need expanding. I am pinging who has researched this topic and created numerous stubs and lists. Perhaps they can offer some guidance on the best way to incorporate non-athletic Olympic competitions into the event page and confirm the redlist you mention is only Olympians.


 * Lugnuts - could you comment on this topic, specifically the redlist Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by identifier/SR. It looks like you are active on the talk page there. Thank you! best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:52, 19 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi! Yes, I can help here. Just a note that Sports Reference was decommissioned about a year ago, and all their data moved over to the Olympedia website. Don't worry about the references to SR at the missing articles page, I tweaked the code about a year ago to look at the Olympedia ID in WikiData. Olympedia is an excellent resource - I can't say enough good things about the people who run the site. The major benefit over SR, is that Olympedia is a living, breathing site, with content being updated all the time. The other thing it includes is ALL Olympians, including those who did not start an Olympic event, and people who took part in the Youth Olympics too. Now taking part in the Youth Olympics does not automatically equate to notability on WP. So if you look at the missing athletes page and click on the Olympedia ID for Abigail Vieira (3rd name down), you'll see she took part at the 2020 Winter Youth Olympics. She might be notable for other (sporting) achievements, and may compete at the full Olympics in the future.


 * Moving on to the arts competitions. I went through the much-overlooked Art competitions at the Summer Olympics articles and completed lists and stubs for all missing artists about a year ago, such as the 1936 games. The even better news was that I tagged all the women artists with the WikiProject Women talk-page tag, as well as the category for Olympic competitors in art competitions. You can get the full list of these people via this Petscan query.


 * I think/hope that answers any questions here. Feel free to ping me or drop a note on my talkpage if you need any more info. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you ! I really appreciate your clarifications. I have moved the conversation to the talk page of "Women in Olympic & Paralympic Games". WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, , , , and the rest, Olympic & Paralympic Games is off to a fabulous start. Wonderful addition of redlists and articles. Because there is such a large number of redlists, may I suggest we move the "Outcomes (articles)" section up above the redlist section for this editathon? I think it would look better. Let me know if this makes sense or not. I often overlook an obvious or unintended problem with switching something. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi! Fine with me.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:14, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I was wondering if we should make a crowd-sourced Oly/Paralympics list to hold all those links. But we could also totally move outcomes up, I’m not at all wedded to the layout. Would just suggest moving the image gallery and other outcomes (DYK etc) as well. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:19, 1 July 2021 (UTC) (And agree, the enthusiasm is so exciting! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:20, 1 July 2021 (UTC))
 * , I think a crowd-sourced Oly/Paralympics list to hold all those links is a really good idea. Rosiestep (talk) 18:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile, I moved the redlists lower on the page.WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:42, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Great, I got it started! WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Olympics_and_Paralympics and moved the amazing list of names there. I will prettify the formatting a bit later as I have to step away just now but hopefully this is easier to navigate. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:31, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Plenty to work on here. Let's see how it develops over the next three months.--Ipigott (talk) 20:22, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I made some adjustments with the headers on the CS redlist. Additional adjustments would be helpful (by year?) but I'm not sure how to sort that out. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:59, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow thank you, it looks leaps and bounds better! I’ll continue to think on how to best to continue to organize: are people foremost interested in accessing names from a given country? A sport? Date? Agree with that the way the editathon develops should give us useful information in this regard. And hey maybe a bunch of names will get checked off and it’ll be an easier list to manage! Innisfree987 (talk) 00:48, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Other ideas?
With June halfway over, it seemed time to consider July and whether there ought to be another topic besides Julies and the contest. had suggested doing something along the lines of finance/banking/economics, which we don’t seem to have done before, at least not recently. What do you think, all:, , , , , and. This, something else, stick to two, other? Innisfree987 (talk) 09:04, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I fully support Finance, Economics and Banking. We already have a WD redlist on Economists which seems to cover all three. Maybe it would also be useful to start a crowd-sourced list if anyone is interested. There are probably many interesting names in Top 10% Female Economists, as of May 2021 and 100 Most Influential Women in U.S. Finance. We also have a handful of bankers and economists in WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Dictionary of Women Worldwide/Occupations A to F.--Ipigott (talk) 10:02, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks! I also set up WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Numismatists for people who study coinage and money. (This is totally a personal interest, though, so I'm happy for it to not be part of this event.) I'd be happy to set the Event up too. I'd pretty busy this week, but could probably start a CS list next week. As always, very happy for other people to start it though! Lajmmoore (talk) 10:23, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it would be great to address numismatists (coin collectors) in the not-too-distant future, perhaps together with stamp collectors (philatelists?) and paper money collectors (notaphilists?). Maybe we could even extend it to cover women collectors in general, including those involved in collecting art, furniture, glass artefacts, lace, gramophone records or even watches. But for now, I would gladly welcome any development you would like to make on a crowd-sourced list of women in finance, economics and banking.--Ipigott (talk) 14:33, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * BTW, I thought we had discussed reviving Women in sports for the last six months of 2021 with special focus on the Olympics and Paralympics. As Tokyo now seems firmly established, I think we should start preparing. Personally, I think it would be sufficient to aim for a closer focus on the "Olympics" for just July and August.--Ipigott (talk) 10:20, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of doing a Finance/Econ/Banking event; I don't think we've done that before. Also support 's suggestion for Olympics in July+August. --Rosiestep (talk) 11:54, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This sounds good! To note, in the August discussion of the Olympics focus, Roger (Dodger67) requested it be extended through September, to cover the Paralympics (24 August - 5 September + time for WP editors to write up their entries). Perhaps three months of sport with an Olympics & Paralympics focus (but maybe not limited to)? If broadly construed DoWW has a lot to contribute for redlinks. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree to extending it to September. Paralympics is important.--Ipigott (talk) 09:35, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Absolutely! Run the event July/August/September and include Paralympics. --Rosiestep (talk) 11:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Great. Realizing I really should have pinged as he also mentioned WikiProject Disability participating, which I think sounds excellent. How does this all sound to you Roger? Any comments as to how we formulate the event? Innisfree987 (talk) 15:27, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, I’m wondering if we should leave a message over at WikiProject Disability to inquire about interest in collaborating while we’re still setting up the Olympic/Paralympic event (I can’t think of much that’s needed but perhaps the point is they might think of ideas I wouldn’t!) Or maybe an invite to their members to participate in it as currently formulated makes the most sense. I was just thinking some form of outreach to their expertise would be good! Innisfree987 (talk) 00:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , pinging for input in this regard. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:23, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it would be an excellent idea to inform WP Disability about our plans, simply inviting them to encourage participation and provide us with any pertinent redlists they have developed. Ditto WP Women's sports. When the invitation is ready, I suggest we also send it to all the pther sports-related wikiprojects.--Ipigott (talk) 06:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, , I think also WikiProject Olympics/Paralympics can be looped in if they're not already. Penny Richards (talk) 14:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Great, I can do that now. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi and the rest. I am late to the conversation. I'd like to set up the new quarterly geofocus Latin America contest page. The other events sound good to me, but perhaps we should drop July Julies so as not to be spread to thin? Just a thought. Oh, and I'd like to work on a WiR logo for the WiR Olympic event if we go with that. I am sure the Olympics is copyrighted every which-way like Disney, but I'd like to try something athletic. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC) Ooh thank you —it had crossed my mine you could probably make something cool if you had the availability! I do see your point about stacking events. I could go either way on Julies. It was just done last year—but that makes it very easy to set up. I’m fine with whatever folks want. Innisfree987 (talk) 22:55, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * and the rest. Taking great liberties with the logo for the draft for Olympics & sports. Will it "read"? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:26, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I can go either way with Julie Julies. Just FYI, our 2020 July Julies event produced 38 articles. Love the WiROlympic2021 logo. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:46, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes as I think about I might be slightly in favor of retaining Julies and going forward with four. It’s nice to have something light-hearted. (I do not feel hugely invested tho, if others think three is best. I also looked for another place for Econ but I don’t see a great opportunity in the second half of the year, unfortunately.) Innisfree987 (talk) 11:18, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , Just to close the loop on this, I was the one who raised the issue of deleting the topic, and it was just a thought, so please, let's keep it in and salute the Julies and July births! :) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, in that case I’ll pull up the work list now! Innisfree987 (talk) 16:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I love the logo—it definitely says woman athlete, to me. Thank you ! Innisfree987 (talk) 15:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the nice feedback. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for July 2021
NEW * July Julies ** Event #202: July Julies ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-202 * Finance, Economics and Banking ** Event #203: Finance, Economics and Banking ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-203 * Women in Olympic & Paralympic Games (Jul/Aug/Sept) ** Event #204: Olympics & Paralympics ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-204 CONTEST (Jul/Aug/Sept) * Latin America ** Event #205: Latin America ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-205 CONTINUING ** Event #188: Women's rights ** Template:WIR-188 ** Event #184: #1day1woman2021 ** Template:WIR-184 & Template:WIR-00-2021 ANNOUNCEMENTS (ADDITIONAL OR FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * "Mind your elders" INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2021 COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events

Errant subpage

 * I bungled the naming right out of the box. I’ve made the correct link now; if one of our admins could kindly delete the erroneous subpage WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/202/July Julies, I’d be grateful! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:06, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * add   to the top of the page and it will delete if no one else has edited it. see How to delete a page. Works for me every time! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:03, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , oh superb; I wasn’t sure if a speedy request would be accepted on a project page without confirmation from “local” admins but great point about being sole author, so it’s clear I’m not deleting something important! Thanks! Innisfree987 (talk) 01:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ . --Rosiestep (talk) 01:23, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Ready for proofreading

 * We’ll continue adding redlinks but otherwise all events are about ready for a last review by proofreaders (button-clickers, etc.!) If anyone has time to check off an item on the above list, that’d be great. Thank you! Innisfree987 (talk) 00:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * In particular I was unsure about capitalization for Finance, Economics, Banking—sentence case? Ampersand? Innisfree987 (talk) 00:13, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I reviewed the invite and made a slight tweak. I can send out the MassMessages if you just ping me when everything is ready. Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:16, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging to see if any of you would proof-read a page and mark it OK on the list. I've looked at them so often I can't tell. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I am mostly in the same boat except for the Latin America contest, so I’ll do that one! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:00, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That looks all set save for the MOS question on Finance/Econ/Banking in one clickable. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:19, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks so much! & apologies that I ran out time to do the bits I'd said I would, *life*. I've re-read the pages and they all look good to me Lajmmoore (talk) 07:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I think I've now looked through them all. As you will see, I've made quite a few changes. It's now up to the rest of you to make sure I haven't introduced any new errors.--Ipigott (talk) 19:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think these look good. I only had to change a couple of template names. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:14, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Then I think the invitations could be sent out now.--Ipigott (talk) 06:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Everything is ready to go. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , ✅! Rosiestep (talk) 16:12, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Annual initiative: Indigenous women

 * Thank you for all the work you to do raise visibility for Indigenous women on Wikipedia? Could you include the protocol of vetting future biographic articles, especially in the United States and Canada, to ensure the people who identify as Indigenous actually *are* Indigenous? Thank you so much! Icecube77 (talk) 18:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)Icecube77
 * I think what you are asking is neither possible, nor feasible and would limit editors contributions. Wikipedians must as a general rule follow secondary sources. There is no way that I am aware of that editors could actually verify with sovereign nations whether people who are reported as being X actually legally are X and certainly none with which to confirm that historic figures were. In addition, in the United States, there is the possibility that one can be a member of a nationally recognized nation or a state recognized nation, of which members of one or the other may not recognize each other to be authentically indigenous. We cannot use original research to make determinations of identity. Legally in the US, artists/artesans (but not other professionals as far as I am aware) are required to be identified with their tribal affiliation, but that does not mean that sources will necessarily indicate the tribe in which they are enrolled. The best we can aim for is to evaluate the sources and see if there is differentiation between the legality of tribal membership and indigenous heritage and accurately report what those reliable sources say. If you have ideas on how such a determination could be made, I'd be really interested, as I write a lot about indigenous women and it is typically difficult to ascertain their legal status as separated from their cultural identity. SusunW (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * , definitely editors are encouraged to be very rigorous in sourcing material especially for WP:BLPs. Like Susun, I would be very interested to hear if you have best practices to suggest, especially in light of WP’s limits of original research. We often have new editors, and/or editors new to this topic so any guidance we can give is great! Innisfree987 (talk) 20:49, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The best course of action would be to consult the WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. By alerting them to your annual Indigenous project, you might be able to recruit more editors who would like to contribute. Icecube77 (talk) 22:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Icecube77
 * Hi, Thanks so much for the project link - I had no idea there was one and I'll be sure to take a look through its pages and guidance before our annual initiative. Lajmmoore (talk) 10:19, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , any input you have or gather from others would be highly welcome—I started an event page but it’s just based on previous years’ and I’m all for doing a new and improved version! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Link to our 2020 event page --Rosiestep (talk) 15:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Pulling together some redlists: --Rosiestep (talk) 15:45, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Indigenous women (CS)
 * Yupik's redlist of indigenous women (CS)
 * Native American Women : a biographical dictionary (WD) (available at the Internet Archive)
 * Some on this list: Greenland (WD)
 * For Comments WiR Indigenous women logo for invite and or tag. I am assuming most participation will be from North America. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:28, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry. It may be just me, but I immediately reacted negatively on the basis of "blue for boys".--Oronsay (talk) 21:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! was trying to play with the blue in the main logo. I can change the color to black (or a better shade of blue). Let's see what others think. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ooh: I really like it,, tho I see what Oronsay means as far as “branding”. And I think it could also look great in black or maybe a navy or midnight blue? Sleek and less gendered? I think this is a neat, almost electric shade so it doesn’t yell boy too much for me but I can see where it’s closer to a “gender reveal blue” than a darker blue might be. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:25, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I like it, . I never associate any color with gender. The only color I have an immediate dislike for is pink. (Give me vibrant red or fuchsia!) SusunW (talk) 20:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments  ! I've changed it to a dark blue. Refresh your screen if it still looks light blue. I like the idea of the bun lady letting her hair down and out of the heart for indigenous peoples, but please let me know if the silhouette is objectionable. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thank you. It looks great and I hope others like it.--Oronsay (talk) 20:47, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You say " most participation will be from North America", but don't forget WikiProject Indigenous peoples of Australia. And New Zealand and plenty of other places too. Other continents exist.  Pam  D  08:06, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , indeed! See, for example, 's redlist of indigenous women (linked above). Regarding the image, I like it in general; could we see an option of her in black? Rosiestep (talk) 11:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi and, Apologies, I worded that sentence badly. I just meant that I assume we will have a lot of entries from North American with no judgement. I was expressing an opinion about reference materials available. I haven't forgotten Latin America and Oceania have indigenous populations, in fact, by consensus, our "Continental Challenge: Oceania" logo will be featuring an indigenous woman (see LogoWiRCC2021Oceania.png in the commons).  , I'll swap out the blue for black for consideration later today. For all who are following, if you click on the current Indigenous Women logo (above), when you arrive at the commons, you can see the previous version(s) in the file history. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , logo with black option.WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:22, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, and all, My preference is for the dark blue because the colour matches our aim of making women's article links blue.--Oronsay (talk) 19:45, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I like the double-entendre of the dark blue too, . SusunW (talk) 19:50, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , me, too; I prefer the dark blue one. But thank you,, for posting the black one so we could take a look at that option. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:49, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Reverted back to dark blue. Thank you all for the feed back. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:56, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I know I am a little late but I think it's really beautiful, . Thank you for creating this logo. -- A Rose Wolf  18:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Annual initiative: m:Interwiki Women Collaboration

 * I'm checking in the Wikiwomen Telegram channel regarding plans for this year's event. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:51, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you! I’ve started roughing out the event pages so if you have more insight/guidance on how to frame this one, let me know—I looked into their materials but was uncertain how to translate for WiR. Merci! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , this year's topic is: women's empowerment and leadership. More information here: meta:Interwiki Women Collaboration/Editions. We should also include a link to this meta:Interwiki Women Collaboration/Participation (once the 2021 section is created) on our event page. I think we have leadership redlists; not sure about "women's empowerment". I'm on vacation and also in the midst of the 2021 Board of Trustees candidate campaign, so it would probably be best if others do the follow-up. Thank you. Rosiestep (talk) 19:21, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you and sorry for interruption—vacation well! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:35, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thinking off the cuff here, but wouldn't empowerment be activists? Would that I was to that part of women's nationality, but I'm still stuck in legalities. SusunW (talk) 20:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , that’s a great idea. Right now the lists we have focus on very institutional (not to say retrograde!) settings, so activists could mix it up a bit. I know we could pull a bunch from the DoWW list. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:14, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Timeframe question: the Interwiki Women event is formally running Aug 12-Sept 17, and tracking activities from Aug 6-Sept 26. Should ours be extended to September to cover the full event, or stick to August? I’ll ping, , , and ask you all to ping anyone else I should have included—thank you. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd just let it run from August to September, but that's me. Maybe others have different ideas. SusunW (talk) 20:34, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Susun. Let's not complicate things with strange dates.--Ipigott (talk) 20:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree with the group - August to September. I'll update the talk template.WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:47, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * - agree ... August to September should be fine. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:38, 18 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I tried to get us set up for the interwiki collab, but have met my match. At the bottom of this page: m:Interwiki_Women_Collaboration/2021, there’s a link that says “Please create a program inside the Interwiki Women Collaboration campaign using the Dashboard tool.” I’m flummoxed. Is there anyone who’s set up an event with meta before who could take a stab at it? Thank you so much. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:44, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought Women in Red would not be setting anything up on the dashboard, but rather adding a link to Interwiki Women Collaboration on the 207 page and in our August announcement. Like we did with the "100 DC Women contest" in May. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:19, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Aha—should we have an event page, in that case? In May we didn’t, we directed people to sign up at the DC event. That’s what sparked the question for me, wondering what instructions to give folks about enrolling. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it should have it's own page as a "Women in Red" event with some text that mentions the collaboration. I have edited that page with this text

See also: Interwiki Women Collaboration (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_Women_Collaboration/Participation). If you contribute articles there, you can add them here, too.


 * Look at this June revision to the "Women in Europe contest" that we used to highlight "Wikimedia CEE Spring 2021/CEE Women".


 * Does that make sense to everyone? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Geofocus Latin America contest (Jul/Aug/Sep)

 * Latin America quarterly contest (Jul, Aug, Sep)

Olympic & Paralympic Games (Jul/Aug/Sep)

 * I can't remember but wasn't the "women in sports" project going to be reopened again in July/August 2021 for the upcoming Olympics? I remember seeing a notice shown up a while ago stating that on the project's page, I do remember there were a lot of volunteers and work going on with the project. SarahTHunter (talk) 12:09, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It was suggested, the 2020 Summer Olympics are scheduled 23 July - 8 August, so could run this on one of both of these months? The women in sport last year was scheduled to run all year, but was cut short/postponed after the Olympics were postponed. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:02, 5 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Please extend it to cover the 2020 Summer Paralympics (24 August - 5 September) too. WikiProject Disability will collaborate. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that's a good idea- the Paralympics are from 24 August to 5 September, so maybe this could run July-September 2021 (or August & September 2021). If focus is general e.g. "women in sport", then that includes athletes competing at Olympics and Paralympics. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, extend it to the end of September, from previous experience it takes several weeks after the event ends to get all the relevant articles settled. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:42, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Having just archived the July prep discussion, I thought I would note here the ongoing question of the organization of the crowd-sourced list WP:WikiProject Women in Red/Olympics and Paralympics, to be shaped as the event develops. (A note as much to myself to work on this as anyone else!) Innisfree987 (talk) 06:49, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for August 2021
NEW * Indigenous women ** Event #206: Indigenous women ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-206 * m:Interwiki Women Collaboration ** Event #207: Women’s leadership & empowerment ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-207

CONTEST (Jul/Aug/Sept) * Latin America (Jul/Aug/Sept) (Update for August) ** Event #205: Latin America  (I will update for August on August 1) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-205

CONTINUING * Women in Olympic & Paralympic Games (Jul/Aug/Sept) ** Event #204: Olympics & Paralympics ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-204 ** Event #188: Women's rights ** Template:WIR-188 ** Event #184: #1day1woman2021 ** Template:WIR-184 & Template:WIR-00-2021

ANNOUNCEMENTS (FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * Interwiki Women Collaboration INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2021 COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events

I just updated the August 2021 invitation with a "see also" section. Do you think we have the "Women’s leadership & empowerment" covered correctly? Should I ping editors to do a final proofread? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:11, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , as we still have a good amount of lead time, I was going to give it another day or so just to see if anyone else has further guidance on how WiR editors are meant to connect with the Meta project (especially since they are not officially starting for three weeks, it may just not be set up yet.) Barring new info tho, I defer to the current setup—unfortunately Meta really makes my head swim, so I have no more to add, regretfully. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I don't know how set up anything on that dashboard either. Hoping the seasoned editors will chime in. Thanks for pinging me back. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:01, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I’ve heard nothing further at Meta so I think we may as well go ahead. If there are updates later, that’s not the end of the world! Innisfree987 (talk) 01:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging to see if any of you would proof-read a page and mark it on the list.  and I would also like confirmation that no more action is needed for the "Participation Interwiki Women Collaboration". Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:26, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I set up the August 2021 Editathons board on Pinterest just now. (Empty right now, of course.) Penny Richards (talk) 01:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


 * On #207, I'm not too happy about the link under Redlists to the Women in Red navbox. Unless you know you need to click on "show", it just displays template documentation gibberish. I've reworded with a link to our redlink index. I've also slightly adapted the intro on redlinks for #206. These seem to have been copied over from year to year and may indeed not have been really suitable the first time they were added (probably by me!).--Ipigott (talk) 09:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've also updated the template behind the Women in Red box in the RH column to state Humaniki instead of WHGI and have added the two new priorities to the WiR template. It looks to me as if the invitations can now go our whenever you want but it might be a good idea to wait until say the 27th or the 28th. If we send them out too soon, some participants may forget all about them by the beginning of August. Waiting until next week will also allow automatic distribution to the new contributors I will be adding to our mailing lists between now and then. Thanks once again for all your preparatory work and .--Ipigott (talk) 09:58, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds great, thank you ! Innisfree987 (talk) 16:08, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Let me know when you're ready for me to Mass Message. I'll be online this afternoon, MST and can check back sporadically. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I have just read the Invite and checked all the links. Have changed to OK.--Oronsay (talk) 23:59, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! Ipigott suggested waiting until next week to send—sorry to have kept you on standby today! Thank you for the proofing, meanwhile, ! Innisfree987 (talk) 00:40, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , Oh no! I'm sorry! I skimmed this a little bit fast and have sent them! I'm sorry ! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Not to worry,, definitely not the end of the world :-) I can help Ipigott message any stragglers if need be—no problem. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for mailing them out . It's certainly better to send them out sooner rather later. Those who want to make an early start can include their new articles under the various priorities. And thanks for the kind offer but it only takes me a few more seconds to add the invitation link when I am welcoming new participants. In any case, unless a particularly effective editathon leads to a batch of registrations, there should only be four or five between now and the end of the month.--Ipigott (talk) 08:48, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Annual initiatives: Writers

 * With WP:WPWW
 * Redlists:
 * Writers (CS) (WD) (L)
 * Africans writing in French (CS)
 * Children's writers (WD)
 * Youth literature writers (CS)
 * Writers by country (WD)
 * Writers having awards (WD)
 * Writers listed in the Dictionary of Women Worldwide (WD)
 * Innisfree987 (talk) 22:10, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Also: --Rosiestep (talk) 15:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Writers by occupation:

Writers (WD) by country:

Geofocus Latin America contest (Jul/Aug/Sep)

 * Latin America quarterly contest (Jul, Aug, Sep)

Firming up for September 2021
NEW * Women writers with WP:WPWW ** Event #208: Women writers ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-208

CONTEST (Jul/Aug/Sept) * Latin America (Jul/Aug/Sept) (Update for Sept) I will update on Sept 1 WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC) ** Event #205: Latin America  I will update on Sept 1 WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-205

CONTINUING * Women in Olympic & Paralympic Games (Jul/Aug/Sept) ** Event #204: Olympics & Paralympics ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-204 ** Event #207: Women’s leadership & empowerment ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-207 ** Event #188: Women's rights ** Template:WIR-188 ** Event #184: #1day1woman2021 ** Template:WIR-184 & Template:WIR-00-2021

ANNOUNCEMENTS (FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * Interwiki Women Collaboration INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2021 COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events


 * HI, I think we are good to go now. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:03, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , agreed, I saw all has kindly been looked over by several people. Thank you all! So today is one week out., do you think should we ask Megalibrarygirl for a mass-message today or is it optimal to wait a bit longer? Innisfree987 (talk) 16:42, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , : Thanks for all the useful preparatory work but I had in fact specifically suggested that we should add a link on the invitation on our plans (e.g. on the Women in Red talk page) for holding pioneering online recruitment sessions in October. This would no doubt attract volunteers willing to assist with preparations, etc., as well as potential participants interested in furthering their basic editing skills . Maybe could adapt the invitation accordingly (if this is indeed the right way to draw attention to this event).--Ipigott (talk) 07:55, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure what you want it to say, . Maybe if you draft it, I can help out? --Rosiestep (talk) 14:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * : I was thinking of something quite simple like "Those interested in our proposed one-day online recruitment initiative in October can link to our discussion on the WiR talk page". But please adapt as you wish. You've always been good at preparing the invitations. Thanks in advance for your help.--Ipigott (talk) 14:35, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * : take a look now... Is it okay? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * : Nice and concise. Looks fine to me. Thanks.--Ipigott (talk) 07:17, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Now I’m the one with a potential add-on! I just tossed it out to main talk but apparently there’s an org dedicated to improving coverage of women journalists on Wikipedia and they have a September 15 training event planned that’s on theme for our Women writers editathon; don’t know if we should mention? I don’t know any of the involved WP editors but maybe they will raise a hand. If that doesn’t happen in time to add to the invite, we could always just put it on the event page later on, so we don’t need to hold the invite necessarily. Just wanted to flag for input. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:17, 25 August 2021 (UTC)


 * As far as I am concerned everything is ready to go. The Women Do News are a well-established group who are fully capable of taking care of their interests. I suggest the best solution would be to mention their event on our announcements page although most of those interested will have seen the item on our main WiR page. As MLG has not been active since the 22nd, perhaps  can send out the invitations.--Ipigott (talk) 19:03, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No intention to impugn their capacity! Was only an idea to collaborate as we do with other established groups with aligned priorities. I don’t have any contact with them tho so sounds like just mentioning on Announcements is the way to go. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I found this, Meetup/WomenDoNews, but, unfortunately, no event page for their September editathon. Appears that they prefer to do off-wiki planning. Ergo, maybe add something to our #208 event page?, I MassMessaged. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That sounds good, especially as I realized belatedly that I myself do not know where our announcements page lives! Oops! Anyway, I’ll mention on 208 but anyone is free to adjust as they see fit of course. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:26, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * See Women Do News for further details of their editathon on 12 September. You'll find our Announcements on the main WiR page but you have to go to WikiProject Women in Red/Announcements if you want to edit the list.--Ipigott (talk) 08:55, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

One-day online recruitment editathon

 * This is also being discussed on the main Women in Red talk page

On Rosiestep's talk page, we have been discussing the possibility of initiating a one-day online recruitment initiative. It will not be one of our main monthly priorities but could/should be mentioned in the invitation.--Ipigott (talk) 18:15, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , agree. The online event would be part of our Annual STEM Event; not an additional main monthly priority. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:28, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Cool. SusunW (talk) 12:48, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds great! Innisfree987 (talk) 16:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Victuallers (talk) 10:16, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Collaboration with Women in Green
Should we also mention Women in Green's October initiative? SusunW (talk) 12:48, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , if someone creates a unique event page for the WiG October Initiative, certainly, the WiR Invite could link to it. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:28, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You know I have zero clue how to do that ;), but probably does. SusunW (talk) 15:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I’ll keep an eye out—I think it’s planned but not yet unveiled. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm trying to finish plotting out details (need some feedback from WiG members), but I'll have a page up and running for the WiG editathon as soon as I can. Thank you for the offer of additional promotion/collaboration! Alanna the Brave (talk) 18:38, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No rush, . We'll be promoting the October WiG Initiative in the October WiR invitation/newsletter, which will be MassMessaged around the 3rd or 4th week of September. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've set up the event page for Women in Green's Good Article Editathon (women's rights theme), running October 1-31. If you're still able to include the link in the October WiR Invite, that would be splendid. :-) Alanna the Brave (talk) 17:10, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your work on that and, all set for invite! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:12, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * awesome and thank you! --Rosiestep (talk) 06:01, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Annual initiative: STEM (in support of Ada Lovelace Day: Oct 8)

 * Redlist of STEM women described in Dictionary of Women Worldwide (WD). Innisfree987 (talk) 23:16, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks - useful for our antipodean editathon on October 12 in Manchester and NZ. Victuallers (talk) 10:02, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Spreading evenly?
A suggestion - I made it somewhere above but I think it got a bit lost, so coming back with it at the start of the month..

We often have themes like "July Julies" which are biased towards people whose names come from European origins.

How about taking the whole A-Z range of either surnames or given names and divvying it up into 12 (or 24?) and offering a list of redlinks each month? If the file was too massive we could (well, I assume someone with the technical skills could) narrow it down to perhaps one or more birth decade(s)? Just out of interest I looked at the 1921 births category (to find a manageable number: 8,448), sorted by DEFAULTSORT (ie usually surname), and looked at the first name on each page of 200 entries: it would split into 12 very roughly equal chunks at AA, BJ, CE, DE, GA, IA, KH, MB, NA, QA, SF, UA. (Obviously that was a list of blue links of both sexes, but the distribution of redlinked women in Wikidata is likely to be not too dissimilar). So we could go through a year's worth of very broad ethnicity-neutral coverage. Another idea would be to have a "born in the month" or "died in the month" each month - could alternate them, and then next year alternate the other way (born in Jan, died in Feb, one year, the reverse next year). Again, a random group of women not biased like the May Marys etc. It might appeal to some of our editors. Pam D  18:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'd definitely support something less Eurocentric on the naming themes! Lajmmoore (talk) 15:25, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think this is a very interesting and equitable approach: Born 100 Years Ago (#born100yrsago). --Rosiestep (talk) 20:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I only picked "born 100 years ago" as a way to get a large but manageable random chunk of biographies to see how they would split A-Z into 12 even-ish chunks. Pam  D  20:59, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I like it too! We have a lot of events carrying over for September but less going on in October: perhaps a good time to launch? Innisfree987 (talk) 00:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I love the idea of date-based themes! This would also work for destubbing and upgrading articles, and should be easy to get wikidata lists based on birthdate. (I once got curious, and worked out that I've written at least one bio article for people born in every year between 1832 and 1936.) Penny Richards (talk) 01:51, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , that is amazing and awesome!
 * I've moved this section into October 2021 as it doesn't seem like it'll make it into the September 2021 schedule, but not sure if October is the right time to start vs. January 2022... maybe as a contest? --Rosiestep (talk) 14:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree start of the year would be good! IIRC we will still be finishing the around-the-world contest, but no reason we can’t have two going. Contests are very popular! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:45, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Geofocus Oceania contest (Oct, Nov, Dec)

 * Oceania quarterly contest (Oct, Nov, Dec)

Afro-Latina women
I think it would be great to have a focus on Afro-Latina women, who are women of Black and Latinx descent. The term is used predominantly in the States but there are many women who fit that category in Latin America. In recent years there has been more press about women (across industries) who identify as Afro-Latina 1 2 3. Hispanic Heritage month runs September 15 - October 15, so could we have an Afro-Latina focus for October? If not then, later this calendar year? Citrivescence (talk) 19:39, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, The Women in Latin America contest runs through September 2021. Feel free to add articles there :) You can also add a redlist of Latin American Afro-Latina women there too. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:34, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for October 2021
NEW * STEM ** Event #209: STEM ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-209

CONTEST (Oct/Nov/Dec) * Oceania (Oct/Nov/Dec) ** Event #210: Oceania ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-210

SPECIAL EVENT (October 12) * Ada Lovelace Day 24-Hour Editathon ** Event #211: Ada Lovelace Day {ok}} ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-211

CONTINUING ** Event #188: Women's rights ** Template:WIR-188 ** Event #184: #1day1woman2021 ** Template:WIR-184 & Template:WIR-00-2021

ANNOUNCEMENTS (FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * Women in Green Good Article Editathon

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2021 COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events }


 * Hi - so sorry about the edit conflict! I hope all is the way it should be. I won't edit on this page for awhile. I will take Oceania once I know the number. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:08, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , my fault, I should have waited til I was sure you were finished! My only question for the group is whether the daylong meetup is supposed to have a dedicated WIR number and banner, as I was asked to set it up at WP:Meetup (it’s WP:Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day). But it could def still have an assigned banner if desired—, do you have a view on this? Innisfree987 (talk) 20:12, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi All - You guys are the experts on this but I would really like to see an #WikiAda24 dedicated banner/number. I'm optimistic that a Woman Scientist enthusiast(s) will join us when they see the WIR invitation. Obviously this is within our month long STEM effort, but I hope that the 24 hour format may continue for another special day and we will gather some new friends/editors. Victuallers (talk) 07:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Whether we go with a dedicated banner or not, I would like see the 24-hour editathon on the WIR invitation. It's an exciting initative and we need to give it all the publicity we can.--Oronsay (talk) 07:54, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I certainly agree it should be on the invitation, probably as a separate initiative. The problem at the moment is that there seem to be several draft meetup pages for this event. I'm not sure whether they should be combined under one main heading, e.g. Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day. I think you,, are the one who is most aware of all these developments. Perhaps you could coordinate their presentation. My own feeling is that the event should be widely promoted either separately or, if a banner number is required, in connection with WIR 209. If it is to be separate, I think we should have s separate banner, e.g. WIR ADA Recruitment Drive. The event is quite different from our usual meetups and therefore probably deserves special treatment. I suppose the main objective is the number of new or recent editors we can attract, encouraging them to become active contributors. The number of new or enhanced articles is not really pertinent. may also have suggestions on how we best present things.--Ipigott (talk) 13:27, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The event is intended to recruit new members but the activity is still an editathon. Coordination of the disparate threads is tricky. We have three countries and we are active on Twitter, Eventbrite and the WikiEd Desktop before we start on Wikipedia project pages. I have registered a domain WikiAda24.org which I will point at here. This is the place where we can record editors who are already wiki-literate. I am presuming that WIR-2?? <-- (Your Choice) will take you there too. New people are likely to arrive via Eventbrite where we will meet them in person or via zoom. We will know these people by their email addresses and we can create a complete list of all those involved by using the wikied desktop which can record everyone involved and all the photos and articles that have been created. We can measure the recruitment by all those who press the "participate" button at www.womeninred.org. I know this is tricky, but we have never done this before. I will try and edit to create some structure. I am worried that if we go for "a separate invitation" then we will create even more variety when we need to find stability. Victuallers (talk) 15:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , Is there a possibility consolidating/merging Ada Lovelace Day with WIR-209? I envision ADA having its own special subsection on the month long 209 event to track contributions on that day. I am nervous that too many pages could dilute the overall effort/impact of increasing coverage of Women in STEM. Also, it may motivate and help provide new ADA participants structure by consolidating the pages. I'm not privy to all the logistics and technical challenges, so disregard this if I am proposing something that isn't feasible or desired. TJMSmith (talk) 23:43, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes obviously the Day is just part of the month and our experienced editors could easily find it. However Ian's suggestion was to find way to recruit members which means that we are making a big thing of it and therefore we need to show that #wikiAda24 is important in its own right and is not within another editathon. (IMO) Victuallers (talk) 06:56, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * My question is how do we have two pages for the one event? If there is WikiAda24.org which has links to the wikied desktop and all the photos and articles that have been created, would the WIR-2?? page have some text and then point editors to WikiAda24.org. Or do you think participants would post results in both places? Could you elaborate on how you envision it ? Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , in case I can help—I think the main request is to have a number so there can be a talk page banner for editors to add. I just pointed the WIR-211 to WikiAda24.org aka WP:Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day to placehold/so that next month we wouldn’t get tripped up with the numbering. So just one main page for the editathon. But maybe Victuallers has a different idea and will let me know how to correct! Innisfree987 (talk) 20:19, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi ! I am glad to read you are following along. I got lost. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Time is marching on. We urgently need to decide how to deal with WikiAda24. The easy solution at this stage seems to be to call it #211 and create a corresponding banner. There should of course also be a link from #209 and #211 should be clearly mentioned in the invitation as a recruitment drive. Articles created by experienced editors on Ada Lovelace Day should be included under #209. Only those created by newbies should use #211. At least those are my suggestions. Do you agree with this ? If so, we could try to make the necessary adaptations to the event pages involved and, if all goes well, send out the invitations tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 09:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 211 it is! This sounds within the consensus Ian. I will try and copy the new articles to overall Women in STEM editathon when the dust settles. oh and we have registered AdaWiki24.org as a pointer to the page. Hopefully we will have a model for how to do it next year. Victuallers (talk) 09:30, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I've made a few updates along these lines. I think it's important to stress recruitment in connection with 211 otherwise we'll have lots of new articles by experienced editors under 211 on the day. We welcome all related new articles of course but those by experienced editors should be listed on 209 and tagged accordingly. Hope everyone agrees with this approach. I'm not too sure how to deal with the other meetup pages for Ada Lovelace Day. Maybe can help with this.--Ipigott (talk) 10:33, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you perhaps include "recruitment" in this notice. It may also be useful to mention that complete newcomers are welcome - but I'll leave that up to you.--Ipigott (talk) 11:01, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll ask. Personally I see recruitment as implicit. If the army has "an open day" then its likely that they will buttonhole anyone who shows interest. Unless it says "members only" then I think everyone assumes that anyone can sign up to an Eventbrite. Although "complete newcomers welcome" may allay some fears and make recruitment even more implicit - so I will ask. Victuallers (talk) 11:39, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * : Recruitment is no doubt implicit in all our editathons but you may remember that my original proposal was to attract new contributors and encourage newbies who had not yet dared to create new articles. The focus was therefore very strongly on recruitment and I had encouraged presentations along these lines. If this is no longer to be the case, then we should perhaps postpone our recruitment exercise until a later date and simply promote Ada Lovelace Day as we have in the past. If so, then it would fit very nicely into #209 and we would not need a special banner for the one-day event. So the question now is should we abandon recruitment and just handle the whole thing as a traditional meetup. What do you think ? I seem to remember you were keen to support the recruitment focus. I certainly don't want to push my ideas if other contributors disagree. But we need to sort this out quickly and adapt all the meetup pages accordingly. Now that I have expressed my feelings about this, I would like to leave it to the rest of you to decide on how to handle things. It looks very much as if I have been overstepping my mark as Roger has thankfully been making all the necessary arrangements, as I encouraged him to do. So I'll keep quiet until the invitations go out and try to collaborate as positively as possible once things get moving at the beginning of October and especially on the 12th.--Ipigott (talk) 14:41, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Ian, I suspect we are having a violent agreement. If it is important to you that we include the word "recruitment" then we can do that. My own feeling is that I wouldn't be attracted to a "recruitment" event, I would be interested in learning how to do something and to change something. We have two trainers in the UK and possibly more in NZ/AU. The money put up by WMUK is for trainers and WMAU are contributing too. Are you understanding the word "editathon" to mean just editting? The 52 "editathons" in Scotland have all included presentations on how to edit for newbies. This was your original idea but it is now the sum of the ideas of everyone involved. Are we missing something that you feel that we must have in order to recruit? Victuallers (talk) 15:10, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , As my attention has been on other things this month, I don't have a particular opinion regarding how to word/promote/present the Ada activities on our meetup pages and/or Invite, particularly regarding new editor recruitment; going along with consensus would make sense for me. Ppress coverage (e.g. BBC) and social media promotion (e.g. particularly from our Twitter and Instagram accounts) will significantly enhance our efforts. I think this is the key to soaring outcomes! Is there a plan for that, e.g. inviting the BBC to the UK event...?
 * All: On another note, September is the last month in the next three years that I will be able to do MassMessaging as once I become a Trustee, I can only serve as an Advisor (here at WiR and elsewhere in the Wikimedia movement). Ergo, if you'd like me to MassMessage the Invite, please ping me when everything is in order and I'll be glad to do so. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:58, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

There seems to have been an edit conflict surpression on:

15:10, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Roger. I suppose I owe you a reply. Allow me to go in to a bit of the background. I was so impressed by the presentations at Wikimania, many of which were aimed at encouraging more new editors on Wikipedia who were ready to write about women, that I thought we could arrange a 24-hour event specifically to attract new participation. You may be interested to know that new members of WiR are not very encouraging. This month, up to now we have only managed to attract 10 new participants, most of whom have not been very active. I simply thought that we could use the virtual approach to put together a 24-hour event around the world to attract more participants. I think all were originally in favour of this approach but if articles rather than participants are the new order of the day, let's just forget recruitment. I nevertheless think that one of these days, we should have a day devoted to recruitment. But for now Roger, I'll leave it all to you and your global collaborators. At the moment, I'm in the middle of preparing a Greek stifado for supper - so don't expect to be able to handle any further edits until tomorrow. : Sorry to see you will not be able to help us any further with mass messaging. I notice from the start that any editor can be given permission to handle this and many non-admins have been active. I actually wanted to avoid as much admin as possible but if you wish, you could simply authorize me to handle the mass messaging as is not always available when we need to distribute the invitation. I usually check out WiR developments every day.--Ipigott (talk) 17:29, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , of course; just let me know what I need to do. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In case I can be helpful, having loosely followed the developments of the planned activities via the evolution of the meetup page: to me it seems they all do have promotion and trainings intended to attract and engage new participants. The only thing that I can tell has changed is that the term “recruitment drive”, while helpful for internal planning, did not seem to be consensus for the best way to attract people to the event. User, one of the NZ/AUS event leaders, duly removed the term in this edit. Since their edit summary notes the change had been discussed (among the global planners I assume), it seems to me we should follow that—but that it doesn’t mean the day *isn’t* a recruitment drive, only that there’s a slightly different PR strategy for the recruiting. Anyway m, my impression, for what it’s worth. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I had thought that #211 was set up to record everything created or updated during the editathon on 12 October, to demonstrate the results of the overall effort. We can differentiate when recording bios and articles, like we do when we upgrade rather than create, and use NE to represent new editors. The NE would help us identify which articles to keep special watch over. I imagine it will be up to we long-term members to capture this as I don't imagine newbies will be tagging Talk pages, or possibly even joining up as members of WIR after they have, in many cases, struggled to create their User account and gain enough confidence to edit. Do we have a template asking editors to join WIR? I seem to remember seeing one several years ago. I'm hoping for a BIG result on the day for the % of women's bios, for women in STEM and for WIR.--Oronsay (talk) 21:19, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I am on same page for 211. For invite—I found this one: Template:WikiProject Women in Red invite. Might need a bit of tweaking but good idea to have on hand! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:13, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for these sensible comments. I apologize for reintroducing recruitment if the consensus had been to simply use "editathon". I would rather not make any further changes myself but perhaps you could make any necessary adjustments along the lines you propose. We'll then be able to send out the invitations.--Ipigott (talk) 06:11, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , so happy to help. I have made some adjustments and indeed in the interest of time I think we should go ahead and do a last copyedit so we can send it out ASAP., do you have a list of copy editors; or alternately do you think we’re good as is? I can read Oceania in a moment here. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:45, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging to see if any of you would proof-read a page and mark it on the list. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:52, 27 September 2021 (UTC)


 * No.211
 * , I noticed that #211 isn't listed on the top line (October 2021, Volume 7, Issue 10, Numbers 184, 188, 209, 210) of the invite . I didn't add it; I wasn't sure if it was purposefully omitted. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:59, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thank you ! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:11, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks! --Rosiestep (talk) 21:20, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I noticed that WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/211 is a redirect to Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day. As "Wikipedia:Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day" isn't branded as a WiR event, I suppose anyone could participate, e.g. WikiDonne, WikiMujeres, LesSansPages, etc. But I haven't seen "Wikipedia:Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day" promoted in the Wikiwomen Telegram channel (where all other such wikiwomen events are promoted)... at least not yet. If this is indeed an open event for any languages to join it, is there a page on Meta so that the other languages can add their events? Lastly, as the meetup page is titled "Wikipedia:Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day", and not "Wikipedia:Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day 2021", the page can be reused in future years, after archiving the 2021 efforts... is that the reasoning for the naming? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:20, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day is branded as a Women in red event.WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , The contents of the page are great! And yes, they include the Women in Red logo, template, etc. The issue I'm trying to describe is the the page name, Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day, as it doesn't mention any organization or year, e.g. it is ambiguous which would lend well to being an Index page. For example, any editor or another community (e.g. Art+Feminism, BlackLunchTable, Wikimedians of New England, etc.) could come along and edit that page and add their info above or below ours, just like here, WikiProject Women's History/Ada Lovelace Day 2012. Likewise, any editor could move the current contents of the page to Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day/2021/Women in Red or elsewhere. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:50, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for the explanation. I see what you mean. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:00, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at it more closely, I think the current contents in Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day could be moved to Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day/2021/Women in Red or WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/211. I think that Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day is better served as an index page to past/current events such as (and this isn't a definitive list): --Rosiestep (talk) 21:46, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Women's History/Ada Lovelace Day 2012
 * Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 33 2012
 * Wikipedia:Meetup/Boston/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon - Harvard 2012
 * Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2013 - Brown
 * WikiProject Women's History/Ada Lovelace Day London 2013 Conway Hall
 * Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2013 - Brussels
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's History/Ada Lovelace Festival of Wikipedia workshop 2013
 * Wikipedia:Indian Women in Science Edit-a-thon/Ada Lovelace Day (2014, 2015, 2016, 2019)
 * Ada Lovelace Day Cambridge 2015
 * Wikipedia:Meetup/AWIS Edit-a-thon: Ada Lovelace Day at WVU 2016
 * Wikipedia:Meetup/DC/Ada Lovelace Day Wikipedia Edit-a-thon 2018
 * University of Edinburgh/Events and Workshops/Ada Lovelace Day 2018
 * University of Edinburgh/Events and Workshops/Ada Lovelace Day 2019
 * Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2019 Cornell
 * Wikipedia:Edit-a-thon/Ada Lovelace Day Edit-a-thon at Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum (AWHI) 2019
 * University of Edinburgh/Events and Workshops/Ada Lovelace Day 2020
 * Eep! This all makes perfect sense and I’m so regretful no one thought of it when we were discussing how to set this up a month ago. I’m concerned moving it now could break links that have been shared with press, on Eventbrite, and so forth. Perhaps  knows if that’s really an issue or if it’s fine to move it now? Alternately we could move it; preserve it as a redirect for now; but once the event is well behind us, then make it a directory page. I don’t know if that delay worsens a link-breaking issue tho… Innisfree987 (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Are the Eventbrites, etc. linked to Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day or to the country-specific events, e.g. Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day/Australia, Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day/New Zealand and Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day/UK (which, BTW, would also benefit from including the year or else they could be treated in the future as disambiguation/index pages). --Rosiestep (talk) 22:32, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I don’t know as I haven’t been involved in that level of the offline planning; I am hoping Victuallers may be able to tell us. Innisfree987 (talk) 22:36, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I still feel this is a great opportunity to recruit new members. Quantity is not important its quality. Rosie was my first recruit to this project and we had other vocal critics who joined in the brouhaha of what we ought to be doing (and they were never seen again). I was happy to see that we were using a dashboard under an Australian url. Why not? ... they are contributing, its not a UK/US project (Woohoo!). We have had >200 editathons at a WIR address and >50 at a University of Edinburgh url not to mention the great NZ, Nigerian, Antartic editathons which I have joined in with. Contact the BBC? Well we have press releases, WMUK media involved with a target of getting us in the Guardian, WMAU and of course you guys could help. WMDC could use their links too. I'm putting feelers out to get S Africa and Botswana involved, and others are too... but its tricky to concentrate on outward facing activities like Eventbrite, Twitter, Facebook and Press releases when I'm not sure we are being trusted to create our own consensus. There are weekly meetings which any of you is able to join. Share your ideas and confidence in this project there (and here). Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 23:51, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think making Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day an index page makes sense because it will document En-wp historical efforts around Ada Lovelace Day. But the timing -when to turn it into an index page- can be whenever you think is best. If it makes more sense to leave the page 'as is' through the end of October because of Eventbrite, etc. then I think we can all support that. There's always November/December to make the changes. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:27, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * and, I agree. Let's put a pin in this for now. I will transfer the list to the November to-do list. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:17, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks all. I think it’s probably as settled as we can be on-wiki at this time. I know not everything is checked off but if you agree, it strikes me as time to go ahead with mass messaging? Innisfree987 (talk) 21:54, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , Agree, ready for the mass messenger. I am pinging to do this, unless  wants the honors - one last time. Hurrah! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:05, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , I was just prepping to Mass Message when I noticed that the invitation says the Women in Oceania contest runs Oct/Dec/Jan, while the meetup page has it running Oct-Nov-Dec 2021. I thought maybe this has something to do with Wiki Asia Month in November? If someone can sort this out and then ping me again, I'll be glad to MassMessage. BTW, if either of you want to request MassMessage rights, I'd be glad to support the request if you need an admin to do so. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed! I don't know how many times I have looked at that invite and missed the typo! :( WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:29, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you both for all these catches! And Rosie, that’s a great idea about more mass messengers around to cover the bases—I’ll have to take some time to make sure I know exactly how to pull the trigger so I would be grateful if you or MLG did it this time, but I did put in a request, and it would be great to have your support (it indicates they usually want someone to have made a formal mass messaging request, but I did my best to explain why it hadn’t come up in this circumstance.) Thanks muchly for your work tying up these loose ends as you transition to the new capacity! Innisfree987 (talk) 00:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Sent! --Rosiestep (talk) 01:41, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

2021 geofocus contests
--The original discussion of the continental challenge is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_82#August_brainstorming --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:27, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * and everyone else who follows this page - Bringing up the topic of the ongoing Geofocus Continental Challenge, I have been thinking about it and humbly suggest we consider shortening the contest for Europe, Latin America, and Oceania to two months each. That would bring the challenge around to Oct-Dec 2021 for Asia and Jan-Mar 2022 for Africa. Based on population and under-representation it makes sense to have Africa and Asia three months each, with the remaining three continents two months each. Asia would always lining up with the big Asian contest and Africa would always line up with February. We had originally design the Challenge/Contests to run for 3 months each as quarterly challenges. That would make Asia come around again in 2022 etc. Any thoughts?
 * I like that :) Dsp13 (talk) 18:34, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a fine idea to me. Penny Richards (talk) 21:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine by me too but on that basis it looks as if we will be completely abandoning Canada and the US. Is that intentional?--Ipigott (talk) 11:50, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, I completely forgot about North America ! Looking back a the original discussion I see that you had suggested that after completing the first 5 continents, "we could then devote the four quarters of 2022 to the states and provinces of the U.S. and Canada." I guess we should just stick to the original plan.WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:21, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The Africa contest ends March 31st. Do we have the contest schedule sorted out yet for the rest of the year? I think it would be great if we could do so. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:37, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Re the 'original plan', if I understand it right - having 2022 for North America, with 2021 for the rest of the world - it rather feels like reinforcing existing geographical bias to me. (I'd actually be totally happy - as far as geofocus is concerned - not having any explicit focus on the UK or North America. They seem to have received a good deal of focus already on en:WP! I appreciate though that this might be overreaction on my part, and might fail to attract as many editors to participate as other schemes.) Dsp13 (talk) 20:49, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * : If you look back here, you'll see I suggested Europe for the second quarter, South America for the third and Oceania for the fourth. Is that still OK?--Ipigott (talk) 21:11, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , yes, I saw that, and I really like the idea of our geofocus contests each being of 3-months duration. It's just that I also saw the note from above (12 Dec 2020) mentioning contests of 2-months duration, and got confused if there was a decision made that perhaps I had just overlooked. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * : I tend to agree with you that there is already more than enough coverage of articles about the US and the UK. Nevertheless, if we are to continue to address the bias of men vs. women, it may indeed be useful to gear up to include more women from the individual states and provinces in North America next year. But let's see if there are any other views on this.--Ipigott (talk) 21:18, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * and, Yes I did throw out that suggestion for a change, but reeled it back in after I was reminded that the plan was to turn to specific states and provinces in 2022. So for the next quarter Europe, followed by Latin America  for the third and Oceania for the fourth is fine by me. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit biased (Canadian here!), but I would argue that Canada does not have the same level of Wikipedia saturation as the U.S., and would certainly benefit from a North America geofocus event. Also, a North America geofocus could provide a boost in coverage of Indigenous and other BIPOC women in both countries, which would help address a different lack of coverage. All this aside (North America isn't planned until 2022, right?), I'm happy with the proposed quarterly lineup of Europe, Latin America and Oceania. Alanna the Brave (talk) 00:11, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're quite right it's the whole of Latin America rather than just South America. I'm glad you support North America for 2022. I'm sure we can make good use of it, creating red lists on individual states and provinces beforehand. I'm pretty sure will have plenty of historical names to add. I agree that we could organize a lot more detailed coverage of Canada too. I certainly appreciate the tremendous support we are receiving from  on all this. It makes life much easier for me and the barnstars are really great.--Ipigott (talk) 08:32, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Remaining 2021 logos for comment
, I worked up drafts for the remaining logos. Please add comments here if changes are requested or point out any egregious mistakes. Barnstars will be created once the designs are finalized. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:36, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


 * These look really good but I wonder whether the silhouette should be on the right-hand side of the heart in all three. That would be more consistent with the WiR logo.--Ipigott (talk) 09:57, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow, you are so talented! These are great. For me the WiR visual signature is clear and the placement good to make the regions easily identifiable. The only change that comes to my mind is maybe zooming out the Oceania map just a bit (10-20%?) so more of the shape of Australia is visible, for recognizability? But I have no idea how difficult that is—if it’s a lot of work, I wouldn’t bother, I think it’s already great as is. Thank you for making these! Innisfree987 (talk) 15:48, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I think they are amazing! Great work. I love that you have used different women for each. Thank you for using your skills to create them. SusunW (talk) 15:50, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Such a lovely detail! Innisfree987 (talk) 15:55, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I flipped the silhoutees . I will play with the size of the Oceania map. Thanks for the postive feedback . WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:02, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I didn't notice that detail of the different women! I think these look great. I have no idea how hard it is, but maybe for the Oceania logo (or future events) a silhouette of an aboriginal woman could be used . Of course, not all people look the same so maybe this is not relevant in the context of these logos. TJMSmith (talk) 16:11, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you very much. Whatever composition looks best to your eye, realizing that might already be this one! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:11, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oceania logo: Yep, I just want to be sure New Zealand and Papal New Guinea are visible in the final barnstars as well as the logo.  I will look around for a copyright free silhouette for an aboriginal woman. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:53, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Just add they are so great! Thanks for doing it! Lajmmoore (talk) 09:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'll chime in, too, to say these are so pretty! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oceania logo: I had to stick the the current map...long story, but it is kinda at the edge of the world according to Mercader so I had to take what I could get to stylistically blend in the the other logos.  How's this silhouette? I can return to the previous, more "colonizer" image, if this doesn't look quite right. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , This is what I was envisioning! I'm curious if others have any thoughts about it, but I like it. TJMSmith (talk) 01:50, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , it’s terrific already, thank you so much for making these. I wish I had this kind of talent! Innisfree987 (talk) 01:58, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Annual initiative: Wiki Asia Month

 * Wikipedia Asian Month/2021

Geofocus Oceania contest (Oct, Nov, Dec)

 * Oceania quarterly contest (Oct, Nov, Dec)

Film+Stage

 * Film+Stage per suggestion by (they specifically mention silent film actresses) on our talkpage. The last time we did Film+Stage was in August 2019; these are the redlists from that editathon. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:22, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

By women
 * Actresses (WD)
 * Actresses by country (WD)
 * Animators (WD)
 * Choreographers (WD)
 * Costume designers (WD)
 * Dancers (CS)
 * Dancers (WD)
 * Entertainers (WD)
 * Entertainers (CS)
 * Film crewmembers (WD)
 * Film producers (WD)
 * Movie directors (WD)
 * Opera singers (WD)
 * Playwrights (WD)
 * Playwrights (CS)
 * Screenwriters (WD)
 * Sound and audio (WD)
 * Women in theater (CS)
 * Women in theater (WD)
 * Television presenters (WD)
 * Films directed by women (WD)
 * Plays written by women (WD)


 * This would also support the international contest meta:The AfroCine Project/Months of African Cinema/2021, which runs 1st October 2021 to 30th November 2021. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I definitely think it would be nice to pitch in with that effort. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:17, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Redlist of women in relevant professions from Dictionary of Women Worldwide (WD). Innisfree987 (talk) 22:10, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Diabetes? Women's health?

 * November is diabetes month in several countries plus World Diabetes Day is November 14. Perhaps November could focus on both women diabetics and healthcare professionals (i.e. endocrinologists). Particularly with gestational diabetes impacting so many women. This could be in collaboration with WP:Medicine, Nursing, and Women's Health. TJMSmith (talk) 18:45, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , I think this is a good idea! Lajmmoore (talk) 15:25, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Create index page for Ada Lovelace Day

 * Change Wikipedia:Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day from redirect into an index of historical Wikipedia events surrounding the day (document En-wp historical efforts around Ada Lovelace Day). Copy contents of Meetup/Ada Lovelace Day to Ada Lovelace Day. Awaiting the end of October to complete this task. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:23, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Women's History/Ada Lovelace Day 2012
 * Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 33 2012
 * Wikipedia:Meetup/Boston/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon - Harvard 2012
 * Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2013 - Brown
 * WikiProject Women's History/Ada Lovelace Day London 2013 Conway Hall
 * Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2013 - Brussels
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's History/Ada Lovelace Festival of Wikipedia workshop 2013
 * Wikipedia:Indian Women in Science Edit-a-thon/Ada Lovelace Day (2014, 2015, 2016, 2019)
 * Ada Lovelace Day Cambridge 2015
 * Wikipedia:Meetup/AWIS Edit-a-thon: Ada Lovelace Day at WVU 2016
 * Wikipedia:Meetup/DC/Ada Lovelace Day Wikipedia Edit-a-thon 2018
 * University of Edinburgh/Events and Workshops/Ada Lovelace Day 2018
 * University of Edinburgh/Events and Workshops/Ada Lovelace Day 2019
 * Meetup/Ada Lovelace Edit-a-thon 2019 Cornell
 * Wikipedia:Edit-a-thon/Ada Lovelace Day Edit-a-thon at Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum (AWHI) 2019
 * University of Edinburgh/Events and Workshops/Ada Lovelace Day 2020


 * and, I am returning to this task of creating an index page for Ada Lovelace Day after dinner tonight. I will do my very best, but will rely on you to review and undo if I get it wrong. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:25, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, @WomenArtistUpdates. Once it’s moved, let’s make sure to alert the main organizers, especially those from NZ and AUS who made the dashboard, so they can retarget links appropriately. Probably a good idea to tag in Roger now in case of anything else I haven’t anticipated—@Victuallers, any advice on this? Innisfree987 (talk) 18:41, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Nothing extra from me. A good time of year to tidy up when there will be no additions etc. Thank you. Victuallers (talk) 21:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ pages moved. Pinging, ,  to let them know the Ada Lovelace Day 2021 page has been moved. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:22, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. But could you check that the correct page (group) was moved as a number of the tabs are now red and I know for sure that UK events was a populated page.--Oronsay (talk) 01:34, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi yes I am working on moving the subpages and updating the headers! Sorry it’s slow—they don’t automatically move so it’s a bit involved. Innisfree987 (talk) 01:37, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Sorry to create down-stream problems. :( WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @WomenArtistUpdates, you didn’t! Inevitable. I’ll finish it up tonight or tomorrow. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:11, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok I think all the subpages are in place and the headers updated to reflect the new targets, but I welcome eyes and clicks to make sure! Innisfree987 (talk) 03:01, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for November 2021
NEW * Film + Stage ** Event #212: Film + Stage ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-212 * Endocrine Health ** Event #213: Endocrine Health ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-213

CONTEST (Oct/Nov/Dec) * Oceania (Oct/Nov/Dec) ** Event #210: Oceania  To be updated for November 11/1/2021 WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-210

CONTINUING ** Event #188: Women's rights ** Template:WIR-188 ** Event #184: #1day1woman2021 ** Template:WIR-184 & Template:WIR-00-2021

ANNOUNCEMENTS (FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * Wikipedia Asian Month 2021

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2021 ** logo: Women in Red Film+Stage dot png COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events


 * Hi, Because we were having the Asia continental challenge last year there isn't a dedicated event page for "Wiki Asia Month" for 2020. Looking through the 2019 events, I see we did assign a page to it WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/143. Awaiting confirmation of the two event numbers to get started for real, but may work on a mock up in my sandbox, unless you or someone else has already started. Also any interest in repurposing the WIR Asia logo for that page? Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @WomenArtistUpdates, that all sounds good to me, as long as no one objects to having two geo-themed editathons in the same month? Innisfree987 (talk) 19:02, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * and any other followers of this page If you have a moment, please chime in on whether WiR should have a dedicated page for Wiki Asia Month as it did in 2019 or be included in the ANNOUNCEMENTS (FACILITATED BY OTHERS) going straight to the event. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we've been doing a good job of spotlighting upcoming events by other wiki communities in the "ANNOUNCEMENTS (FACILITATED BY OTHERS)" section so we could do that quiet easily with Wiki Asia Month. I could also see running Wiki Asia Month concurrently with our Oceania Contest. So... I will support concensus. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:25, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think it's fine to just put it under "Announcements (facilitated by others)". I'll probably participate in that one (I save up a few names for it every year, because I enjoy the postcards), but that wouldn't stop me from also participating in WIR-facilitated editathons too. Penny Richards (talk) 00:36, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks and  I moved it down to announcements.  I will update the invite. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I had no idea about the postcards - I AM IN! Lajmmoore (talk) 10:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah! It can take a few months, but it's always a nice surprise in the mail. Penny Richards (talk) 15:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Has there been general agreement to drop Medicine, nursing, health + diabetes? If not, perhaps we should prepare a meetup page.--Ipigott (talk) 09:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd still be in favour & could start the meet page & look at a CS list. It's a nice continuation of the STEM theme - maybe under 'Endocrine Health' or something, to be a bit more specific? Lajmmoore (talk) 10:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I made a endocrine health page - see above - it needs checking and a template though. Lajmmoore (talk) 08:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making a start on this. I think it's OK now but perhaps someone could double check before the invitations go out.--Ipigott (talk) 10:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , and, I looked through Endocrine Health, clicked through and the page looks good to me with just a few tweaks. Could someone take a last look at Film + Stage and change the check mark from not OK to OK? Thanks WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:03, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , all set. Question, I am going to do a small practice run a little later on to make sure I can use Mass Messaging properly. Mind if I put you on my recipients list? (I will just send this invite, so you might get it a second time later on.) Innisfree987 (talk) 17:43, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Test away! I will on and off the computer today, but am happy to help. I salute your willingness to Mass Message :) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , the Invite and the Practice Run MassMessage look great!, I love the logo you created for the invite! --Rosiestep (talk) 18:56, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you Rosie and completely agree—logo is fantastic! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:02, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Ipigott, I think we’re about ready. Should I try to send them out today or would you prefer to wait a few days? (I could do it today; not sure of schedule this week but maybe MLG will be around.) Innisfree987 (talk) 20:04, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I really liked the logo too. From what you say,, it looks as if you have made arrangements to do mass messaging. That will be a real help when Rosie is no longer able to do so. There's just one small thing that occurred to me. In connection with Film + stage, I think someone suggested a while back that we should also try to cover more actresses who performed in silent films. Maybe this is worth mentioning as there are indeed many waiting to be covered. But in any case, it looks as if the invitations could be sent out today.--Ipigott (talk) 06:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * : I've added a few words so everything's ready to go. Thanks for becoming increasingly active in working on our monthly events.--Ipigott (talk) 11:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok great, I tidied a bit too and will give the invite a whirl shortly. To note, since it’s been a recent topic of discussion, unfortunately in the upper half of the WD red lists for #212, almost none could be updated by Listeria given its current limitations. It’s really a shame because it means in many cases we can’t make use of all the effort people put into adding to Wikidata. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:44, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Sent! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Geofocus Oceania contest (Oct, Nov, Dec)

 * Oceania quarterly contest (Oct, Nov, Dec)

Double the lede
Admittedly this is not a typical WiR area of work as my suggestion is to double the amount of sentences in the lede section of existing articles. But with more and more people turning to virtual assistants (e.g. Siri, Alexa, etc.) for Wikipedia content instead of "reading" Wikipedia articles, the benefit of expanding the lede from 1 sentence to 2 becomes important (I am told that when queried, virtual assistants respond by reading Wikipedia's lede paragraph if a Wikipedia article is avaialble). This sort of event would be a low-effort way for editors to end the year. Possibility to make it a contest in the future if people like it. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Very much in favor of having an article-improving effort layered in. And cool idea for how! Innisfree987 (talk) 01:19, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Here's the category for this issue,, but there are SO MANY additional women's biographies which have a 1-sentence lede but aren't template-tagged with lead too short, which I spot while working on reviewing/rating/improving articles within the scope of WP:WPWW. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:55, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ha if I am honest I could probably just go through my own creations and find, er, a fair number that ought be expanded! I think this could really be a good way to publicize the importance of the lead, as you describe. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:32, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , ha! Me, too! I think many of us are in the same boat so this would draw attention to something that would make all/most/some of us better editors going forward. win/win --Rosiestep (talk) 20:58, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * & I like this idea too! Lajmmoore (talk) 15:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I’ve just learned about this month’s Take the lead! contest, via the Signpost. Wish we’d known sooner, would’ve been a great collaboration. I’m going to participate in the contest but I tend to think there will be plenty left to do in women’s bios next month too… Innisfree987 (talk) 20:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh my gosh, ; I had no idea this was a thing. Well, maybe we can learn some lessons from that initiative as we plan for ours. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Rosiestep, agree for takeaways! And, just confirms consensus on how much attention to lead is needed. Great minds! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I have various suggestions in connection with this. First of all, we need to improve our Primer's section on Notability where it looks as if the lead should be only one sentence. Perhaps and  would like to work on this. Second, I think it would be useful if all those reviewing or assessing articles draw up lists of those they think need expanded leads. (In my experience, not many of those requiring attention actually have the template.) Third, in addition to improving existing articles, I think we should encourage contributors to create new articles with more informative leads. Here we could, for example, suggest that start-class articles with a minimum of 250 words should have leads of not less than 60 words. (I see that most of my start-class articles have leads averaging over 100 words.) Finally, can we use lead instead of lede? Hope all of this is not too much to swallow at one go.--Ipigott (talk) 12:40, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I've just noticed that the current Take the lead! contest seems to address mainly long articles of 15000B (i.e. 2,000 words) or more. Not many of our WiR biographies are as long as this but it seems to me, that those running from 250 to 500 words also need a more informative lead than just one sentence. Maybe we should draw up a short essay or how to draft the lead section of women's biographies. Any volunteers? (Also pinging, but all are welcome to respond).--Ipigott (talk) 13:17, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * (a) When I suggested this event, I thought to keep it simple during the planning stage; for example, I didn't think we needed to take time to draw up lists of needful articles (e.g. like we always do for redlists) as articles with short lead paragraphs can be readily found in every category within the scope of WiR. (b) I also thought to keep it simple during the month; for example, doubling the number of sentences in the lead requires minimal calculation while doubling the word count would require using a word count app. That said, I will support whatever others think is best. (c) I'm ok with lead instead of lede, but the thing about lede is that, historically, it refers to the first sentence of a news story -- so in the context of Wikipedia articles, "double the lede" would mean increase a 1 sentence lead paragraph to 2 sentences. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * As always,, I bow to your experience: no word counts, no redlists, no new articles. Nevertheless, I still think we need to update the Primer and, in connection with "lede", you might find it interesting to read this detailed history. But whatever the historians and purists say, I agree with you that "Double the lede" can only mean one thing while "Double the lead" could be confusing. So "Double the lede" it is. So much for my meddling!!!--Ipigott (talk) 15:56, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * , wonderful poynter.org article! Really enjoyed reading it. Meddling? No!!! Different perspectives make WiR great; thank you, ALWAYS, for sharing yours. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:16, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I worked on the essay a bit, so perhaps it is clearer? I think it is impossible to summarize the article in one sentence so I tried to tweak the instructions to explain what should be there. If it isn't clear, please feel free to revert or edit. SusunW (talk) 17:57, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ! --Rosiestep (talk) 18:07, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That's a good start, . I was just wondering whether it would help to change "Poorly written lead sentences include examples such as" to "Poorly written lead openings include examples such as", ditto in the next example. I'm not sure it is helpful to dwell on "sentences".--
 * Changed it to summary, as that indicates (to me anyway) more than one sentence. SusunW (talk) 18:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Susun. That's just what was needed.--Ipigott (talk) 19:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! I wasn't online for a bit. Still crazy over here. :P Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:21, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I've reworked the primer again because of objections by, who I invited to this discussion. I have a lot on my plate right now, but will try to keep an eye out here for further discussion. SusunW (talk) 18:37, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting to see that other contributors are keeping an eye on our pages. I'm sorry to have suggested you should edit the Primer when you are so busy with other more important matters, particularly as you have now had to spend even more time to avoid an apparent conflict of interest. Your latest version seems to be a sensible compromise. The section was after all on notability and not on the lead sentence. I was rather surprised at efforts to preserve the inclusion of the term as in fact it is the "lead paragraph" we are more concerned with here. That's not to say the first sentence is not important. See for example these recommendations on biographies.--Ipigott (talk) 15:47, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * yes, it is interesting that other editors are keeping watch. Think that is a good sign, as perhaps it is a recognition of the difficulties in writing about women. Hopefully now the notability statement/lead summary issue is resolved, as is the COI article (which I think turned out pretty well and noted that Bloemink has contributed to other articles, thus might be willing to help with info on other women artists. Given her curatorial expertise, she could be a really valuable contact for those interested in improving modernists.) I am still hoping to finish Morocco, but it would be miraculous if I managed to finish the rest of Africa this month. Oh well, when I took on the nationality project, I knew it would take years. SusunW (talk) 15:58, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Shouldn't really be commenting on COI here but I was also pleased to see the Bloemink article was sorted out. This was obviously someone who deserved to be covered on Wikipedia. I am frequently confronted with COI as you may have seen, for example, on the WiR talk page. I try to give proper assistance and advice but I don't want to become recognized as someone who is ready to move drafts to mainspace for paid editors. As today's discussion on "VIDA Retail" was about an American company, I suggested the draft should be submitted to AfC. It will be interesting to see whether it is accepted or not.--Ipigott (talk) 16:32, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I prefer my subjects dead and definitely shy away from COI work. I am pretty sure I made it abundantly clear that I do not prefer to work on living people, but like you, she seemed eminent based on the plethora of sources available. Had the sources indicated marginal notability, I would definitely not have been involved. SusunW (talk) 17:07, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


 * We've been working a bit on WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/215. Hope it corresponds to your wishes.--Ipigott (talk) 14:17, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * : looks great! I added just a bit. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:37, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for December 2021
NEW * "Double the lede" ** Event #215: "Double the lede" ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-215 * Women who died in 2021 ** Event #216: Women who died in 2021 ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-216

CONTEST (Oct/Nov/Dec) * Oceania (Oct/Nov/Dec) ** Event #210: Oceania page will be updated December 1 by WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:25, 21 November 2021 (UTC) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-210

CONTINUING ** Event #188: Women's rights ** Template:WIR-188 ** Event #184: #1day1woman2021 ** Template:WIR-184 & Template:WIR-00-2021

ANNOUNCEMENTS (FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * Women in Climate Change

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2021 ** logo: TBD created an image for Double the lede, added image to event, talk template, and invitation. Feedback welcome. COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events

Somehow we managed to skip event number 214. If a skipped number is undesirable, the easiest way to fix would be to move Event #216 to #214. Please ping me if move is made and I'll fix the downstream hiccups. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:35, 21 November 2021 (UTC)


 * @WomenArtistUpdates, 214 exists! It’s next year’s annual event, drafted early because of a related cross-wiki event in December. You’re not the first person this has tripped up—I wonder where we can note it to prevent confusion? Innisfree987 (talk) 02:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Doh! Time passes so fast, we'll be in 2022 before anyone else notices :) I've added the event number to the discussion below so we don't make 2 pages for Climate. I am thinking about a logo for the event, but haven't found a good image yet.
 * Perfect. By the way I love the double the lede logo! Fabulous—thank you so much. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:31, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * and any other followers of this page If you have a moment, please proofread the items on the checklist, fix any errors and change the "not oks" to "oks" if they look good. Thanks WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I think I've added the ! to "Double the lede!" everywhere. And I replaced the image and info for #216, but feel free to change to someone else if you wish.--Oronsay (talk) 04:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * In any case, we could change the image for January and/or when Mary Earle gets written up.--Oronsay (talk) 04:23, 24 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Preparations seem to be going fine. Sorry about the confusion with #214 but we needed something quickly in connection with the international Climate change event. I've included #214 in the December invitation.--Ipigott (talk) 12:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I've looked through everything. As far as I'm concerned we're ready to go. To avoid further confusion, I've added #214 to the WiR template.--Ipigott (talk) 12:40, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Pinging, , , , . Unless any of you have anything to add, it looks to me as if we could now send out the invitations.--Ipigott (talk) 10:57, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me and we should have a timely DYK on the main page but it appears stuck at the moment. Victuallers (talk) 11:07, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it's being overly punctilious to mention this, BUT, the 2022 year-long Climate event is #214, while the December 2021 new events are #215 and #216. Consider flipping #214 and #216? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:42, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * From an arithmetical point of view you are perfectly correct and I once again apologize for causing such a serious upset. As I am something of a pragmatist, I do in fact think it's punctilious to comment on the need for sequential numbering but I know there are others who would strongly disagree. As you might remember, I've already had my knuckles firmly wrapped by  a few years ago for causing complete chaos with my labeling of our events and templates by usung acronyms rather than digits. Just as well he came in and sorted everything out for us before WiR completely fell to pieces! And if you haven't already noticed, I've probably also committed a cardinal (as in cardinal vs ordinal) sin by using an old IBM 360 Assembler trick. I introduced a "0" to insert 2022 events on our template rather than renumbering everything as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... But if the WiR team believes that strict numerical sequencing is more important than getting a job done on time, I could certainly try to renumber everything but it might cause confusion as some of the event numbers are already in use. Despite your new hat, Rosie, I think you might be the only one to be able to sort things out without causing new errors but it might be better to wait for a while unless you alert all those who have already begun to use the "wrong" templates, etc. (As a footnote, I thought it was important for #214 to exist a.s.a.p. as a basis for early collaboration with the international "Climate change" event.)--Ipigott (talk) 17:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I know the out-of-sequence numbering is an itch begging to be scratched, but I think we need to stay with 214 as 2022 climate. The links to 214 and 216 have been completely integrated into the ecosystem. We've already been through this with the Ida Lovelace day thingamabob, so I would prefer to keep things as they are. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:57, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with, the invite is ready to go. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:59, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree, no need to make changes at this point. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:01, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

wouldn't say I wrapped anyone's knuckles on this, simply that from a 'management-of-a-many-hundreds-of-edit-a-thons' perspective... numbering has several advantages. Things don't necessarily need to be in perfect sequence, but it helps if they are. You can take a look at Template:WIR and all the 'old style' names for templates in 2015/2016/early 2017 can still be used (they are simply are redirects to the 'new style' of template names). So if anyone wanted to have say WIR-IW 2017 (Indian Women 2017) redirecting to WIR-50, there's no technical reason for why that couldn't be the case. But issues and confusion can sneak up on you quickly. Case in point, WIR-51 is for Indigenous Women in 2017, which you would likely also want to abbreviate to WIR-IW 2017. So it's not that you can't have alternative names and abbreviations/acronyms, it's just that in many case you would abbreviate two different things the same way, and risk things like having Indigenous women be accidentally put in the Indian women's edit-a-thon and vice versa. Going by numbers avoid these issues, and though it's nice to have a sequential ordering, as long as things are documented in the edit-a-thon's main page, and at Template:WIR, that should be enough to make things clear (so no need to renumber events or anything like that). That documentation could include 'alternative names' of these templates, at the expense of noob confusion (who might be confused as two why there are two different names for them), and for organizers needing to sit down and make sure every acronym used is unique and non-ambiguous with every other acronym used. Which seems like time that could be better spent elsewhere, if you ask me. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:57, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for responding,, in such an understanding way. As you probably realized, my comments above were not meant to be taken too seriously. I really do think you sorted everything out at the right time before everything became even more chaotic. By and large, thanks to your reordering everything has been proceeding very well. From time to time, it takes an expert like you to come in and sort out the disorderly mob. Keep in touch!--Ipigott (talk) 21:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Glad to know things have been proceeding as smooth and friction-less as a baby's butt covered in WD-40! &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:55, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok I just sent a test and it looks fine but things a bit hectic at moment and want to give full undivided attention when sending to big list so I’ll circle back in a bit! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:43, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * - Test arrived no problems. Agree, wait til things aren't hectic :) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright ✅! And looks like it went through. Phew. Might be good to recruit one or two more mass message senders just to make sure there’s always someone around. (@Lajmmoore, can I tempt you? :) ) Innisfree987 (talk) 00:18, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oof, no we shouldn't depend on one person . Is it complicated? What would I need to do? Lajmmoore (talk) 07:36, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @Lajmmoore, it’s slightly intimidating but not technically complicated—you def already do far more technical work making Wikidata red lists. I’ll leave you a note on your talk page with some details and you can consider (and/or brainstorm who else might be willing!) (If more willing people are seeing this, please do ping!) Innisfree987 (talk) 00:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)