Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Ideas/Archive 8

Climate 2022 (WiR #214)

 * Environment/Climate Crisis? This could include activists, but also scientists? Lajmmoore (talk) 21:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I really like this idea. Obvs, it's timely. But I also like the potential to collaborate with members of other WikiProjects, e.g. WikiProject Climate change and/or WikiProject Environment, on things like redlists, maybe even some global event(s) during the year. Ping . --Rosiestep (talk) 13:28, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It was the podcast that had an episode on climate change and Wikipedia that made me think of the topic. In the podcast, the person (I forgot who) was saying that one of the most important things you can do is add paragraphs/sections on the topic to existing articles, so perhaps there's space for a expansion as a deliberate goal too? Food for thought Lajmmoore (talk) 13:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ha, that was probably who you heard, Lajmmoore. I'm more than happy to help organize something again around this topic. Right now I'm organizing an edit-a-thon on Spanish Wikipedia for COP26. One thing we need more of is to include gender perspectives in environmental articles. For example, in the article about water scarcity, farming, pesticides or mining, you could add sections on the different impacts according to gender. Another thing that could be done is adding more pictures of women in articles such as "farmer". Maybe we could have an informal videocall about some of these ideas. --Scann (talk) 13:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Just noting the redlists we have -Environmentalists (WD) (174 articles) and Climatologists (WD) (34 articles)- and noticing that there are very few new article possibilities. Can we add to these? --Rosiestep (talk) 13:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * it was :) Smirkybec (talk) 15:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I like this idea! The time is right and I think it might attract younger editors. Great opportunity to collaborate. And Yes! expanding existing articles is a good goal too! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:29, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey! I'm on that list. Got a year to become notable then :).
 * In all seriousness, great idea. Plenty of people in WP:PROCC that would be interested I think. Femke (talk) 18:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Lajmmoore if you are looking for actions that could be done around adding content to articles, we have been documenting them at WikiProject_Climate_change/Small_to_medium_tasks-- per the comment by Scann I think there is a lot of room to work on adding the research of the Women climate scientist and environmental journalists (most of whom are women) to existing articles about the environmental topics -- both their work, and the topics most studied by/about women are systematically missing in a lot of cases. Sadads (talk) 19:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Not yet a redlist, environmental scientist (Q16529590) is another occupation to consider adding. Perhaps sustainability could further broaden this idea.--Oronsay (talk) 16:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I added Q16529590 to the Environmentalists WD list, manually re-ran the list, and now it has 240 articles. I think sustainability is a good way to broaden the topic. Any suggestions for which WD occupations would be applicable? --Rosiestep (talk) 18:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, added wd:Q17276189 # atmospheric scientist to the Climatologists WD list, re-ran the list, and now it has 34 items. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A few thoughts:
 * * Is there a way to make a list of Green Party/Parties politicians? Or do we have one already?

* Include the Farmers redlist - its not very long, but farming is so closely linked * Activists ... there are lots of environmental activists on that list, maybe we can use that? * I wonder if we should start a crowd-sourced list too? * The overall theme could expand a bit to "Climate, Environment & Sustainability" - so then could include biological sciences more broadly? Will continue to think! Lajmmoore (talk) 10:13, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

The more I think about it, the more I like this topic and is an influencer. While planning for Ada Lovelace Day events, he was keen on attracting new members. I think this topic can have that effect. , environmental activists, Green Party/Parties politicians, farming... yup. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:17, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks,, for mentioning my interest in attracting new members. This is indeed a priority and we really need to work on it. Unfortunately, my last attempt fell short of expectations but I think you are right that "climate" might indeed attract more contributors. I would actually be inclined to target simply "Climate" as I think this would have greater impact. That doesn't means environmentalists, etc., should not be included in our redlinks but the leading strain should be condensed into one word. We could perhaps have quarterly priorities which target items such as research, lobbying, third-world issues, success stories, etc. Let's go for it.--Ipigott (talk) 16:30, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good - maybe Climate Emergency as a title? Quarterly themes seem a nice addition too. Lajmmoore (talk) 16:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I’ll say I’m partial to the breadth invited by “climate” as one-word topic. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sweet! Climate it is! Lajmmoore (talk) 07:46, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @Ipigott @Lajmmoore@Innisfree987I think it makes sense of the scope note to describe women leadership in the climate crisis however -- happy to add a bit of context, if you need, Sadads (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The leadership angle is certainly something we hope to cover. Can you point to any sources, names or redlists?--Ipigott (talk) 18:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The lightweight example of this is the premise for All We Can Save -- but I am thinking, for example that women are much more represented in climate activists, leaders in sustainable agriculture, NGOs working on this space, land defenders etc, Sadads (talk) 18:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

I started a place to build up crowd-sourced names here: User:Lajmmoore/sandbox/Climate - Women in Red - I'm hoping to make a bit of time to pick up some potentially notable people from COP26 to add to it. All help welcome! Lajmmoore (talk) 15:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)


 * See this meta:Women in Climate Change 2021 as a kick-off event prior to the start of the WiR 2022 initiative. See also this User talk:Camelia.boban regarding potential live social media promotion. I'd be interested in participating, e.g., Streamyard, Wikipedia Weekly episode, etc.. Anyone else? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:43, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I mentioned this earlier on the WiR talk page and have left a message for Camelia. Strange my ping to you didn't work.--Ipigott (talk) 15:53, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

I am very keen to work on Women in Climate - can someone pls message me when this happens? Thank you 08:20, 24 November 2021 (UTC) DrPlantGenomicsDrPlantGenomics (talk) 08:20, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, As a member of Women in Red you should be receiving our monthly announcements on your talk page, so you will get a reminder about Climate 2022 :) Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:14, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Yearlong initiative: Climate
I love the idea that women stand between the sun and the greenery, striving to protect the environment from global warming.--Oronsay (talk) 02:44, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Event #214: Climate
 * I love this logo! I'll be happy to see it for a year. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:32, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent! I’m adding it now. @WomenArtistUpdates, if you see fit to change the color palette for the accent colors on the page, please do! Innisfree987 (talk) 02:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks great on #214. Amazing work!--Ipigott (talk) 16:15, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Annual January initiative: Women who died in 2021 (Dec 2021 / Jan 2022)
Continuing.--Oronsay (talk) 20:54, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Women in business
A bit hard to believe, but we haven't ever done an event with the word "business" in the title. After recently becoming aware of WP:WikiProject Women in Business and after so kindly assisted by adding the WikiProject's talkpage template to articles within, we have a better understanding of articles which already exist regarding this occupation... a great starting point for those who prefer to improve articles. We also have a crowd-sourced redlist and a Wikidata generated redlist for those who like to create articles during our editathons. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:43, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think this is a really good idea - would join in Lajmmoore (talk) 21:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I fully support it too.--Ipigott (talk) 07:23, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if/when this theme has been done before, but since Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala has been appointed head of the WTO, I wondered if a monthly focus on Women in Banking, Finance, Economics, etc. might be nice to celebrate her appointment? Lajmmoore (talk) 09:49, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Finance, Economics, Banking
 * , I think this is a great idea! And I just checked, none of those three topics have been done. July’s looking a little thin: maybe we could add it to the docket then? Innisfree987 (talk) 22:55, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , That would be good! Lajmmoore (talk) 07:18, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Moving this from the "Non-geofocus ideas" section into this section as it seems a good fit if others agree that "business" can include "finance, economics, banking". --Rosiestep (talk) 04:28, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Rosiestep, this was actually the subject of a July 2021 editathon but we should def scavenge its red lists! Innisfree987 (talk) 04:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , Oh, yes, I do remember that now. And yes, let's scavenge the red lists! --Rosiestep (talk) 04:44, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Geofocus
In line with the suggestion for 2022 above, we could cover the U.S. territories in January: American Samoa, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands.--Ipigott (talk) 10:53, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for January 2022
YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217 ** Time for a new logo?

NEW * Women in business ** Event #218: Women in business ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-218

* Geofocus: US territories ** Event #219: US territories ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-219

CONTINUING * Women who died in 2021 ** Event #216: Women who died in 2021 ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-216

ANNOUNCEMENTS (FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * TBD

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: TBD COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events


 * Unveiling as I am concerned the last week or two of the month could be busy, so it would be nice to have things in place ahead of time. I am working on the assumption that the themes above are what we want to move forward with? Innisfree987 (talk) 01:06, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for making an early start on this, . Things seem to be progressing pretty well. I've worked a bit on #218 as Women in Business might sound rather boring for many of our contributors. I thought they might be more interested if they realized they could write about architects, film producers, fashion designers, restaurateurs, etc. I was wondering if we could somehow add pertinent redlinks on entrepreneurs and other related occupations from the Dictionary of Women Worldwide but I'm not sure how these should be presented, in the redlink index or in the CS women in business list. Perhaps you can help. Any ideas or a related WD search?--Ipigott (talk) 10:39, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See you've just been developing WikiProject Women in Red/DoWW/Business. Looks good.--Ipigott (talk) 10:43, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello &  just a message to say I'll try and do some tidying this weekend, but I probably won't be able to help again until Jan (including the mass messaging, apologies will defs help in the new year). Lajmmoore (talk) 11:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, for offering to check things out and thanks too for all your useful assistance this year. Hope you have a well-deserved Christmas break and look forward to your return in January.--Ipigott (talk) 11:29, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Totally understand @Lajmmoore, as I too unfortunately can’t be “on call” in the near term either. Roger mentioned he might be willing to handle the mass-messaging—I don’t know if you’ll be around @Victuallers? If not perhaps another admin could be enlisted? I think all have the permission automatically. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I've checked through everything and it all seems to be OK. The only thing which seems to need approval is the invitation (see below}. As many of our main contributors are unavailable for the rest of the year, it may be sensible to distribute the invitations sooner rather than later. If there are no further changes or suggestions by this time tomorrow, perhaps could take care of the mass messaging. .--Ipigott (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Invitation
The number of new members has not been very encouraging recently. Up to now, we have had only three this month. Perhaps it would help if we replaced: by
 * Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications.
 * Try to attract someone to become a WiR member this month.

It might help if we placed it as the first item under "Other ways to participate". I've tentatively made the change but can revert if there's no support.

I was also wondering if could select something a little more attractive for our New Year's greeting.--Ipigott (talk) 12:49, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I swapped out the "Happy New Year" graphic with the Climate 2022 logo. Please feel free to revert if it doesn't appeal. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In this connection, I was wondering if we should substitute:


 * Join WikiProject Women in Red


 * for the main WiR page. This could be used when writing to contributors who look as if they might like to become members of our project. Links to our main page have sometimes resulted in confusion.--Ipigott (talk) 13:38, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I really like the updates on the invite. I made 1 change on the invite: I moved Climate into the "New" bullet-point section but you can revert if you think better to leave it in as a unique bullet-point. Everything else seems fine. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . Looks good. Made it a bit more compact. Think everything's in order now.--Ipigott (talk) 20:47, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Firming up for February
YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217

NEW * Black women ** Event #220: Black women ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-220

* Geofocus: Hong Kong and Macau ** Event #221: Hong Kong and Macau ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-221

* Women in sport ** Event #222: Women in Sport ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-222

ANNOUNCEMENTS (FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * TBD

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: Black Women COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events Above drafted and put under heading per custom by Oronsay. Titles may not be correct. Please amend as required, I know some updates get done to the year-long meetups.--Oronsay (talk) 03:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

We're approaching the end of the month and it looks to me as if we've opted for Black History Month, Sports (including Olympics/Paralympics so maybe extended into March), and Geofocus Hong Kong and Macau. Can we proceed on this basis?--Ipigott (talk) 10:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me! Shall I start the Geofocus page? (I still haven't sorted out Mass Messenger access, but will get to it in Feb. Lajmmoore (talk) 10:31, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll take Black History Month. I will use Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/220. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:31, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks I'll go Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/221 Lajmmoore (talk) 20:27, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * draft of WiR 220 - Black women posted. Added to WikiProject Women in Red/Events WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:51, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've drafted the invitation. Please check carefully as it's my first time.--Oronsay (talk) 03:18, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've also drafted my first meetup page, for Women in Sport (Olympics/Paralympics). I wondered if we should insert "Winter" in the heading? If left as is, of course, I believe it's open to all sport.--Oronsay (talk) 03:50, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * and any other followers of this page If you have a moment, please proofread the items on the checklist, fix any errors and change the "not oks" to "oks" if they look good. Thanks WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:05, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ping me or email me to mass message. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 01:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The way Women in Sport has been set up, it looks as if it is restricted to the Beijing Olympics. I think the original idea was to focus more generally on coverage of women in sport (see below). Would it be useful to introduce the topic as general coverage of women in sport, not forgetting (or with special emphasis on) the Beijing Winter Olympics and Paralympics? If so, we could post a wider selection of redlists.--Ipigott (talk) 12:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , seems like a good idea. Could entice greater participation. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:39, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I have made a stab at broadening Women in Sport as suggested and welcome feedback and/or editing on the page.--Oronsay (talk) 20:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've looked through everything and it all seems fine to me but perhaps you should wait until tomorrow to see if there are any other reactions. I'm not too happy about always being the one to say off you go. In any case. perhaps you could have a quick look through everything yourself before you do the mass messaging.--Ipigott (talk) 15:34, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * and All looks good to go and would be good to get out today, if possible.--Oronsay (talk) 21:50, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Annual February initiative - Black History Month
Draft logo. Comments welcome. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:15, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , I'm wondering if rather than gray, the silhouette could be goldenrod, like I've seen on several BLM flags? SusunW (talk) 13:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Brilliant idea ! I think I've got the yellow shade right. It looks much better. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I agree, though others may have a different opinion ;) SusunW (talk) 19:48, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Great image. Really hits the eye.--Ipigott (talk) 10:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Cool image we will use it on Twitter during Feb. I do love the recent logos. Victuallers (talk) 22:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Sport

 * Women in sport is really popular event, generating hundreds of new biographies. I think it would be worthwhile to consider making it an Annual Initiative. I put "???" next to it so that others weigh in with their views. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The 2022 Winter Olympics and Paralympics are in February and March, so perhaps then? Additionally, I think it would be great if we directed the energy perhaps into a contest, with a minimum word limit or similar benchmark, to encourage high-quality creations in addition to the impresssive quantity. (We have a pretty good set-up with the continents contests, that allows people to still record entries that don’t meet contest rules.) Innisfree987 (talk) 00:31, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think a tie in with the Winter Olympics sounds really nice. Would love to start a page for a bob-sledder! Lajmmoore (talk) 21:12, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Basketball - has this been proposed before?  Specifically basketball.  Women's Basketball Hall of Fame aready exists.  But what I've been seeing in some US states, is if I'm surfing around looking for state womens halls of fame, is that there are halls of fame for women's basketball, but not necessarily anything else.  That particular sport for women seems to be really popular with audiences and sportscasters. — Maile  (talk) 22:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Women climbers and mountaineers? 2021 saw the 100th anniversary of the all-women Pinnacle Club here in the UK (see https://www.pc100.org), and I hope to be working with the Alpine Club (UK) library early in 2022 to teach them how to edit existing articles and get new ones written on some of the under-noticed notable female climbers, and (hopefully) to mobilise some of their archival photos, too. NM Demo (talk) 19:35, 28 December 2021 (UTC) (note: this is an alt-account of User:Nick Moyes - please ping any replies to my main account)
 * I think Mountains & Mountaineering could be a good stand-alone theme later in the year. Be nice to give it some attention - do you know when you're running your event? Perhaps we could coincide? Lajmmoore (talk) 20:26, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

I think WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/204 (Olympic & Paralympic Games | Jul-Aug-Sept 2021) can be seen as a success with 800 new articles, expansions and media (and stil counting!). I would like to see again an Olympic & Paralympic Games in February/March 2022 during the Winter Olympics and Paralympics. It's only a few months in between from the 204 Meetup, but otherwise the next one would be in July 2024... SportsOlympic (talk) 10:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * February / March: Olympics, Paralympics
 * Wow !!! that is a truly impressive list :) I hope you report out to the talk page with the final tally at the end of October. (If you don't, I will be sure to). Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, nearly all the articles created by have simaynce been deleted. If we focus on the winter Olympics and Paralympics in February and March, perhaps we can try to revive some of them.--Ipigott (talk) 15:42, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Geofocus
Hong Kong and Macau. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red.--Ipigott (talk) 16:22, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Continuing - Sport
Continuing. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

New - annual - March initiative - Artists & Activists

 * with Art+Feminism. Executive Director: user Kiraface

Women's work in the Public Domain

 * Would it be possible to add a Public Domain element to this event? In the past I think organized a list of women artists whose work had fallen into public domain. It would be great to add some works to the Commons in March. Thanks for considering. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:47, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Love to take the credit WAU, but its not me. Items fall into the PD on January 1st so its a matter of finding out who died 70 years ago, and it does seem that we have missed out on this this year. I find that images drive my articles. An artist who died 69 died years ago is nowhere near as interesting as one who died 71 years ago because illustrations are possible. There is a difference between Morisette and Manet's work but it is much more than words can describe. This includes the lists for 2020 and if you edit the SQL then its easy to see where the dates are stored. Victuallers (talk) 21:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, adding images helps the articles :) I don't know how to edit SQL. Anyone know how? We need women who died in 1951 like this one for North America and this one for Europe from 2 years ago. Any help appreciated. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 03:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello! I've started a general 1951 list WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by time period/Deaths 1951, but have messed up the column headings. Will work on it this week Lajmmoore (talk) 12:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, If you look at the examples like this one for Europe, you can see it isn't a redlist. It is a list of of women who died in a particular year, thus their work has fallen into public domain. Most of the women listed already have articles. For 2022 it would be women who died in 1951. Do you know how to do that by any chance? Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:58, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * can you please confirm, but mostly, are we talking about creating a redlist of books which are now in the public domain? If yes, and if someone (pinging ) is able to create the redlist, would it make sense to include this Public Domain topic with our other September annual event for Women Writers? --Rosiestep (talk) 17:57, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I created those lists in my sandbox for 2020 and 2021, haven't created a list for 2022, but I could do that if everyone agrees that's relevant. See the 2020 and 2021 lists here: Women in the public domain. It covers "creators" more broadly, not only writers. Scann (talk) 18:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello @WomenArtistUpdates @Scann @Rosiestep - I changed what I tried to do above (so sorry I forgot that I'd work on this), which is now here: WikiProject Women in Red/Women in the public domain/Europe2022 - however I can't get listeria to update it, so it still looks mangled and now has out of date people on it. Nevertheless, it might help! Happy to support a Public Domain/Women Writers double. Lajmmoore (talk) 18:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , wow! I don't know how complicted this request might be, but could the redlist be simplified into just one for the entire world, vs. a redlist per continent: WikiProject Women in Red/Women in the public domain/2022? --Rosiestep (talk) 18:54, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Is public domain the same for every region? I don't know enough about it, so just used @Scann's Europe model ... Lajmmoore (talk) 08:47, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No, to question, public domain differs from country to country. I think I used a +70 PMA to do those lists. That should be clarified at the top of the lists, directing people to the copyright lengths by country article. The reason why we did it by world regions is because otherwise the query times out. I don't have a good solution for doing it worldwide, this is where  might be able to perform more magic than I'm able to. Scann (talk) 13:26, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of moving parts here. As noted, PD law differs from country to country, as well as the numerous reasons why something might become PD: age after death of the author, age of publication, etc.  With Wikidata queries timing out more and more frequently, and the limitations of listeria, I don't know how we could do a master Listeria list.  I'd suggest separate targeted Listeria lists (and even some of the focused ones I tried timed out!) and perhaps a master list that is manually curated.   Gamaliel  ( talk ) 01:18, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Q73568642 might be useful here - definition is a bit vague. Copyright is a mess but the rules that exist generally depends on the date of death of the creator and where the work was created. For stay at home artists who dont go to war then this means that you can calculate a good guess at when their work will be free of copyright. We can sometimes gain access to an image of a person because they were snapped on a visit to Australia or they were snapped by a war artist or an employee of NASA or the governments of India or USA. Q73568642 looks useful if we are allowed to store whether a persons work is probably in the public domain. Having it stored would improve the time required to compile these lists. Victuallers (talk) 11:46, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

New - Geofocus - Dutch overseas territories

 * Continuing the territories idea, I wondered about Dutch overseas territories for March? Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao, Saba, Sint Maarten and Sint Eustasius. Lajmmoore (talk) 15:11, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I wonder if it might make sense to skip a month for geofocus as we have so many other things happening in March? This way the geofocus countries won't be overshadowed. That said, I'm cool with adding them to the March line-up! :) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @Rosiestep I know what you mean - it's tricky! Personally, I love the geofocus & have started a list of women from Dutch territories, but we can use that any time and/or I can add it to the general Caribbean list. Happy to set a page up as an event, or happy to skip, if that's what others would prefer. There's a few longer term geofocus ideas floating around: one was top ten world languages I think (maybe here - where there did seem a bit of 'territories' enthusiasm), and another was alphabet based? I'm happy to go with the flow tho! Lajmmoore (talk) 19:02, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , Thinking about it further... Iif you love it, then my guess is that others will, too, so let's go for it! Also, I think some editors count on our geofocus events, so let's not disappoint them. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:59, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I support it too. Let's go for it.--Ipigott (talk) 21:06, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

New - collaboration - University near Cambridge writing plays about Women in Red; also, journalism course
An English university/small theatre has approached us via our Twitter account. They are planning to involve two graduate courses in support of Women in Red. The journalism course want to write new articles and we are looking around for a trainer within travelling distance of Cambridge (expenses (at least) available). Could this be you? The other course is drama and the students are going to be tasked with writing plays not about notable women, but about this project. These plays are an academic exercise at the moment, but who would have thought? Ping if you are interested? Victuallers (talk) 13:28, 7 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Victuallers I could help with the Cambridge event (depending when it is) - i've just done Train the Trainer, so could do with some practice. Also happy to chat to the students! Lajmmoore (talk) 16:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Woohoo! result! As I say - expenses are covered. I'll send you an email. It would be a Tuesday in early March. Victuallers (talk) 17:38, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * All agreed - training session on IWDay thanks to Lucy and Anglia Ruskin University. Victuallers (talk) 16:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Consideration - 24-Hour Global Edit-a-thon #2

 * building on success of Ada Lovelace Day: 24-Hour Global Edit-a-thon
 * This will not happen in March as it needs at least six weeks and probably more. UK and NZ are both trying to organise Women in Red editathon/events in March. Victuallers (talk) 23:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Plans for an event in the four UK nations are being discussed with Wikimedia UK and an international charity. See above. Victuallers (talk) 10:58, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Announcement - Black Theatre and the Archive: Making Women Visible, 1900-1950 [British Library]
We are running a Wiki workshop in conjunction with the University of Leeds and the Eccles Centre on 28 March, online. (Details here) If anyone would like to attend and/or circulate to interested parties, please do. We have launched the Eventbrite today and will take it to social media in the next week or so. If this is inappropriate use of this page, please do let me know! EriedgenArc (talk) 15:03, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


 * This sounds a great event! I think the main talk page gets more views than here, so it might be worth cross-posting there. The ideas section is usually more for "How about this topic for a monthly theme?" Lajmmoore (talk) 15:46, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

#VisibleWikiWomen

 * with Whose Knowledge?
 * Doesn't appear to be happening in 2022. meta:Whose Knowledge?/VisibleWikiWomen. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:03, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Firming up for March 2022
Women's History Month 2022 is right around the corner, and like many of you, I suppose, I'm getting asked about the firmed-up list of events Women in Red has planned for March, links to the event pages, and so forth. Hoping we can get them created and get the invite sent out soon. Thanks, everyone! :) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:41, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


 * There seem to be far too many items below. Can't we prioritize or combine? If there are no other suggestions, I'll see what I can do tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 21:11, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree, seems a lot. What is planned for #228, #229 and #230?--Oronsay (talk) 02:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree; it's a lot to consider, and we don't have to do commit to all. Which would be best suited to postpone to April? Regarding the three extra ones, needs them for some collaborations (see above). --Rosiestep (talk) 05:04, 22 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Could public domain be postponed and/or combined with Art+Activism? Lajmmoore (talk) 08:38, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That was my suggestion that a public domain element be added to Art+Activism. Since none of us know how to make the list it is a no go (this year). Thank for asking. I'll strike throug the suggestion above. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:50, 22 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Recent edits seem to show several last-minute adjustments to our activities in March. Would and  please confirm that that #223 Art & Activism, #224 Feminism and Folklore, and #225 Dutch overseas territories are the only new priorities. We can then start double-checking everything and prepare the invitation.--Ipigott (talk) 06:56, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I've drafted the invitation as per above but didn't know if anything needs to be included about Other Announcements, i.e. collaborations. Also have drafted my 1st templates - so please check carefully.--Oronsay (talk) 07:46, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Do we need to build Women's work in the Public Domain into WIR-223?--Oronsay (talk) 08:03, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * IMO, if the redlist(s) is available, yes, add them to #223, as they contain artists, creators, etc. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, the redlists have not been developed since last year. As there's not rush with this, it may be more sensible to leave it until later in the year.--Ipigott (talk) 17:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry to mess about - not our chaos. Our colloboration with CARE International was cancelled. For good reason they are switching their priorities to the chaos in Ukraine. We sent emails and noted this on the talk page but it is a late pass. Our project relied on a hullabuloo in the press and online and that doesnt seem appropriate when larger problems have rightly stolen the headlines and our partner. We called off what was WIR-216 after a discussion with those who were involved. Work in the UK continues obviously. I attended "WomeninRed editathon #58" hosted by University of Edinburgh and Ewan McAndrew (a Women in Red Barnstar awardee) and Lucy and @charlesmatthews will be creating an editathon at Anglia Ruskin University on March 8th. It occurred to me that we could have created a pop-up editathon for the peaceful majorities in Ukraine (and Russia!), but probably too confusing at this date. Victuallers (talk) 13:50, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree it's too late now to develop anything new but I suggest that you advise all concerned that they are very welcome to join our open-ended Art+Activism priority. Let's hope that when everything has settled down we can return to something resembling Wikipedia Wednesdays. I thought it was a great idea and have saved a draft on my user space.--Ipigott (talk) 17:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * There will be a "Celebrate Women" banner running in all(?) language Wikipedias on March 1(?)-10(?), pointing to this page on Meta, meta:Celebrate Women/Events, where any community can add their event(s). (I've added Women in Red events.} --Rosiestep (talk) 17:01, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The invitation drafted by looks fine to me, particularly as it includes "Encourage someone to become a WiR member" which has been really effective in February. If  or other authorized "mass messagers" are available, perhaps we can distribute the invitations by the end of the month.--Ipigott (talk) 17:18, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217

CONTINUING * Women in sport (Feb-Mar) ** Event #222: Women in Sport ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-222

NEW - ANNUAL * Art+Activism ** See 2021 event as a go-by ** Event #223: WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/223 (Art+Activism) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-223

NEW - ANNUAL * Feminism and Folklore ** See 2021 event as a go-by. See master campaign here: meta:Feminism and Folklore. ** Event #224: WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/224 (Folklore) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-224

NEW - GEOFOCUS * Dutch overseas territories ** Event #225: WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/225 (Dutch overseas territories) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-225

ANNOUNCEMENTS (EVENTS FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * Black Theatre and the Archive: Making Women Visible, 1900-1950, via British Library (see above) * This page may be renamed meta:Gender gap/International Women's Day but it will include links to all women-related events in March in all languages.

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events

A is for "A start"
In this connection, see the discussion below on A is for "A start".--Ipigott (talk) 12:43, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

3 month Translat-a-thon "contest"?

 * Seems like it could be fun. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:08, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd love an edit-a-thon like this. It'd be a good push to finally learn how to translate articles from other language Wikipedias. :) There's a few I've had my eyes on, but it'd be nice to have a contest and collect/present all the wiki-tools and resources that can help with translating. - Whisperjanes (talk) 19:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I like this idea! Lajmmoore (talk) 10:20, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Could this be combined with the "A" idea? We could try and do all the As irrespective of language? Victuallers (talk) 16:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, given the impressive performance of Google translate for many language combinations, we might indeed focus on translation over the next three months. I wonder if would once again be interested in acting as coordinator. Have you any ideas,, about the focus for each month? I was wondering if we could handle things in terms of European-language groupings such as Romance languages (Catalan, French, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian, Spanish and related dialects), Germanic (Dutch, German, Luxembourgish and the Scandinavian languages: Danish, Faroese, Icelandic, Norwegian and Swedish), and Slavic (Belarusian, Bulgarian, Czech, Macedonian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Slovak, Ukrainian and related variants). At a later date we could perhaps cover other language groups.--Ipigott (talk) 13:09, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , personally, I wouldn't favor a monthly language focus shift. Some percentage of editors who might want to participate will only feel comfortable translating from X language or from Y language group, and it would be great for them to stick around for the full 3 months vs. stopping after 1 month. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:17, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll certainly go along with that, . We could always try to encourage variety by recognizing contributors who translate from many different languages.--Ipigott (talk) 15:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * *,, , , I would be willing to create the barnstars and badges, and do the end-of-the-month tally, and end-of-contest tally. I can't figure out what you have in mind for the contest (languages and other paramaters) so I will defer creating the meet-up page to y'all. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * *: That's great news. You did such a wonderful job in our earlier contests. Even if we are not prioritizing language groups, I agree we should still establish participation and winners for each of the three months as well as overall winners at the end. Maybe also recognition of those who cover the greatest variety of languages, if that's not too difficult to monitor. It would be interesting to see if anyone else has suggestions on how the contest should be run. And I've just noticed we have a Translatathon page. Perhaps we can develop this in connection with our contest.--Ipigott (talk) 06:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * - in terms of running it, I think three months of general translation (rather than themed) is good, with each month a 'contest' like in the continents challenge. But maybe there are two winners (& no second/third) - one for number of biographies, and one for number of languages translated? Or something along those lines? Lajmmoore (talk) 10:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with the "A" is for "Any language". Are there some stats where we could suggest needed language translations (to/from) for the other months while still keeping it open to personal preference? StrayBolt (talk) 19:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * - not Wikipedia specific, but there's this earlier short chat that might be relevant? Lajmmoore (talk) 06:55, 19 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I have created a Translation Contest meetup page for April. Given your past experience with contests, you might like to look through it and adapt it as necessary. I have not included an image as I though you might like to add one yourself. : You will see I have included some basic explanations on the use of Google Translate, etc., but am not sure whether this coincides with Wikipedia's current translation policy. I have not managed to find any clearly presented background on this. In particular, Translation does not offer much help. Any suggestions or can we just see how it goes as it is?--Ipigott (talk) 12:18, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , thank you. The page looks fantastic! I am looking forward to this new contest! --Rosiestep (talk) 15:31, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder, there are lots of gender studies women who are available to translate. Any help with them would be appreciated and give the editor a twofer so to speak. SusunW (talk) 16:29, 20 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The page looks good. Very clear instructions and information! I am putting a draft graphic here. I want to use elements for the logo, barnstars, and badges. the "word cloud" of languages is free app computer generated, and I am not able to manipulate every element of that.


 * I think we should have the number of articles be the variable to determine the rankings each month and the final tally. I also think that we should report out after the first month on the WiR talk page. There we should encourage participants to self-report on languages and topics covered. Strive to make it a hub for sharing tips on finding names and sources etc., and encouraging participation. Repeat after the second month. Let's really leverage the three month time span. Also, as with the Continental challenge there will be a generic (purple) barnstar that anyone can award to fellow participants. So if anyone like you, or (number of languages), or  (twofers) see barnstar worthy articles, please award!


 * You can look at the talk page from the Oceania Challenge as a reminder of the barnstars. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:33, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Great image ! I really like it. SusunW (talk) 17:30, 20 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Should we create/update the WD redlists? We could create a set, perhaps like this Top 1000, which would also require some particular language. We can use this list as a rough guide (why does Cebuano language have so many articles?). Also, that Top 1000 list was last updated 6 months ago. Should we refresh some of the WD lists at the beginning of the month? Many of the Blue links in that list are really redirects which brings up this old idea: WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Ideas. StrayBolt (talk) 19:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @StrayBolt It will have that many articles because someone's just machine-translated a pile of en-wiki or other language wikipedias using WP:CXT, I expect. -- asilvering (talk) 21:15, 23 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I have some concerns about this edit-a-thon and the quality of the articles that will result. Don't get me wrong, I'm joining in! But I foresee a lot of badly translated articles with no reference-checking done at all, bringing a lot of unverified content onto en-wiki. My experience translating articles from French and German has shown me just how variable the quality of individual articles is and how frequently articles have content that is difficult to verify or indeed fails verification altogether. (And that's before we even get into the differing referencing standards.) It's also very easy to accidentally launder copyvio via translation (I nearly did this once already, and only realized when I went to check that the references supported the text I'd translated). So I have two suggestions:
 * 1) Simple to implement: slap a bold, obvious notice on the event page reminding translators to at least run the page through the earwig copyvio detector before starting a translation.
 * 2) Less simple to implement: some kind of reference-checking incentive/procedure/something, that encourages a second editor to look at the recently translated articles and their references, or at least do some spot-checks. Points for doing a verification check of someone else's article? Designated spot checkers? (In my experience so far, articles tend to be pretty bad all over or pretty good all over with respect to accurately using sources, so spot checks are probably the least-extra-work way to flag potential problems.) Something else? I'll happily offer help on this for translations from fr/de, though I'm low on time until the end of April. -- asilvering (talk) 21:42, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, for these suggestions. I've included a warning that unless articles meet the requirements of the English Wikipedia they are likely to be deleted. I'm a bit afraid that if we include too many constraints, we may well frighten contributors away. In my experience, those seriously competing in contests usually have extensive experience of both editing and translation. I therefore think the best option is just to see how things go, carefully monitoring the translations especially over the first few days.--Ipigott (talk) 10:09, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Could we add a checkmark next to each item of New list by some "official" reviewers? Or do you want to embed it in the article/talk that it had been reviewed? Or both? StrayBolt (talk) 19:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I noticed when creating a new article, it doesn't do a search of Wikidata for that title. In particular, it doesn't indicate other articles in another language. I guess that probably only works for Latin script alphabets. Any thoughts on where this idea could be suggested/implemented? StrayBolt (talk) 20:11, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Geofocus?
Continuing this thread with French Overseas Territories? Lajmmoore (talk)


 * Seems good to me.--Ipigott (talk) 16:35, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Firming up for April 2022
Last month we were concerned we had too many topics and this month seems no different. I thought I'd create a list so we can see exactly what we're talking about: New: * A is for "A start" (july) * Classical women (may) Ongoing: Is this too many? If so, what should we drop?--Oronsay (talk) 07:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Annual April initiative - Gender studies
 * 3 month Translat-a-thon "contest"
 * Geofocus - French Overseas Territories
 * Climate
 * #1day1woman2022


 * I don't think A is for "A start" should be included as a separate priority although it has been suggested that some might like to start translating articles about women whose names begin with A. And as Gender Studies attracted only three new articles last year, I would also drop it especially as there are still opportunities for covering it under our March focus on A+F. Unless anyone has strong feelings about why these should be included, I think they should both be dropped.--Ipigott (talk) 08:55, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I have really strong feelings about dropping Gender studies. It seems illogical to me that we would focus on academics in other areas, like STEM, but wouldn't focus on women who study women. They were revolutionary and changed the representation of women in the historical record and academic treatment. Without them taking it upon themselves to create programs and insisting in the 1970s that universities include gender and ethnic studies in their curricula, academia would have continued its narrow focus, omitting most of the population of the globe from study. My personal view is that our project and the resources we use to write about women would not exist without them. I am not in favor of perpetuating the bias that hard science is superior to soft science. (In my personal view, if we eliminate an editathon on gender studies, then we should eliminate the one on STEM as well.) That being said, mine is one view and I will bow to group consensus. SusunW (talk) 13:42, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * So, for the alphabet one, I think that should move to July, to give us time to work out what it will look like as there's lots of suggestions, but no consensus. I think Gender Studies is worth keeping - is there a reason its in April? Could it move? OR I proposed Classical women (new?), and perhaps that could move? Lajmmoore (talk) 14:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Lajmmoore. (I just discovered women, like Marilyn B. Skinner and Anne Klinck, who studied classical women and gender.) I have no problem with gender studies moving either, but I strongly think it needs to be an annual focus. SusunW (talk) 14:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I fully understand you concerns,, but I think we need to find a more effective way of encouraging interest. Last year we had only three new biographies, one stub and two short Start class articles. There were additions to two other existing biographies. In 2019 and 2020, we did much better with about 30 new articles each year. I agree that it is thanks to gender studies that we are increasingly aware of the misrepresentation of women's achievements but how can we encourage wider interest? Maybe by personal appeals to some of our most productive contributors or perhaps by improving our crowd-sourced list with clear emphasis on names which really deserve our attention. You are something of an expert in this area, Susun. It might be worthwhile spending a day or two examining how we can improve coverage.--Ipigott (talk) 16:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it is so important that I am willing to forego working on women's nationality in April to work on gender scholars. I will try to improve the lists to give broader selection of people to work on. Perhaps those who are good with social media (which I am not) can promote it? "April is the month Women in Red focuses on writing about the academics who pioneered gender and diversity studies. Want to join in? Anyone can edit." or something like that. SusunW (talk) 17:17, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's move Classical/Ancient Women then, to make some space! Perhaps last year's low number was a blip? Lajmmoore (talk) 17:54, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Susun's undertaking to help with Gender Studies is greatly appreciated. For clarification (and as now modified by Lajmmoore at the top of this section), it looks as if we've decided to go for Gender Studies, Translation Contest (first of three months) and French Overseas Territories as new items for April. We still have plenty of time to prepare the meetup pages but we could make a start now. As the contest was your idea,, would you like to make a start on it or would you prefer someone else to take care of it?--Ipigott (talk) 07:39, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , someone else. Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:06, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

OK, I'll try to make a start on it tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 15:13, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I've been bold and created a draft of the checklist, below, including Meetup #s. I have named the 3-month contest "Translation Contest", which I believe may be more easily understood than the proposed "Translat-a-thon Contest". Feel free to amend if you wish.--Oronsay (talk) 21:13, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll start the GeoFocus one @Ipigott @Oronsay Lajmmoore (talk) 08:20, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , I've posted a challenge on WiR's talk page. Maybe it will help. SusunW (talk) 15:10, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm having a go at #226 Gender studies.--Oronsay (talk) 18:10, 20 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I've tried to incorporate some of your ideas on the Gender Studies page. Please take a look and make any necessary changes or additions.--Ipigott (talk) 10:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks lovely ! I hope that we will get articles about them. SusunW (talk) 13:17, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reminding us of the importance of gender studies and  for improving the #226 Gender studies page. I had lazily updated from last year's, without absorbing your comments.--Oronsay (talk) 19:29, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , no need to apologize, I appreciate that you have the skills to make the pages. It's a team effort. I hope broadening the editahon page make a difference in getting more participation. Sorry it took me so long to respond, our internet went out at noon and literally just came back. SusunW (talk) 03:41, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217

NEW - ANNUAL * Gender Studies ** See 2021 event as a go-by ** Event #226 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/226 (Gender Studies) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-226

NEW - TRANSLATION CONTEST * Translation contest (Apr-May-Jun) ** Event #227 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/227 (Translation Contest) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-227

NEW - GEOFOCUS * French overseas territories ** Event #228 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/228 (French overseas territories) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-228

ANNOUNCEMENTS (EVENTS FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * #VisibleWikiWomen

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events

Looks to me as if everything is fine, thanks to recent additions by and. Maybe can double check everything over the next day or two before mass-mailing. As we're launching a context, it would be good if we could send out the invitations earlier than usual. Once the invitation (really attractive this time with the graphic from ) has been sent to our members, I would also like to alert wikiprojects of countries likely to be interested in participating. {cc, )--Ipigott (talk) 16:24, 21 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Ping me on email whenever you want me to send the invitations. That's the fastest way to get my attention. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:30, 21 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Just ran through all the pages (I think/hope) for a final check and agree now good to go.--Oronsay (talk) 19:29, 21 March 2022 (UTC)


 * You can now send out the invitations whenever it's convenient. Thanks for your continued assistance.--Ipigott (talk) 16:41, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Done! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:45, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

May 2022

 * WMDC will likely be running the 100 DC Women contest again this month.  Gamaliel  ( talk ) 17:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Geofocus?
Continuing this thread with British Overseas Territories? Lajmmoore (talk) 18:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * That's a good suggestion but how about covering countries which have recently changed their names, perhaps those since 1980. Geographical renaming includes a list ordered by date. This would also help us all to become more familiar with the new names.--Ipigott (talk) 11:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Women in the Ancient World
Moved from April, as per that month's discussions, details on theme are here Lajmmoore (talk) 18:00, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

What about women from the classical world (however we define that) for April (redlist is here)? This would build on last February's theme of Classicists which kindly supported the WP:Women's Classical Committee's work. April is the month of the Classical Association's conference and I believe WCC are planning an event to encourage new editors too? Perhaps or  might have ideas as well? What would people think? Lajmmoore (talk) 21:10, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Classical women

I'd vote "women from the ancient world" myself to give as broad a scope as possible (redlist has people from e.g. China, Vietnam) ! But yes, we have proposed a training/editing session at the CA conference in April, though that is supposed to have a focus on Welsh women classicists (/archaeologists/historians/etc) due to the CA's location in Swansea. I see one Welsh saint on the redlist, maybe there are more and we could combine the two themes! Eritha (talk) 08:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * also there are a bunch of people who are definitely not from pre-400 on that redlist, Idk how to fix that? Eritha (talk) 08:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I spotted that on the redlist - I think the issue is with each WikiData entry for them - I deleted a few statements that had their birth as XX YYY 0CE last night. Or ones where instead of 1999, 199 had been put. Will tinker over the weekend! Lajmmoore (talk) 13:29, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ah, I see. tried to fix a couple of others myself, hopefully that will have worked next time the list updates! Eritha (talk) 14:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Eritha, I nudged the list to update; hope it reflects the changes! (I am having some difficulty getting the Endocrinologist list—for the November 2021 editathon—to notice everyone I’ve added to Wikidata and I’m not sure why…) Innisfree987 (talk) 19:50, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Innisfree987, thanks, looked like that worked! at least, the volleyball player is gone from the list (much as I like the idea of an ancient volleyball player...) Eritha (talk) 08:19, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

GLAM
Women involved with Galleries, Libraries, Archives, Museums. Collaboration with m:The Wikipedia Library/1Lib1Ref, which runs the #1lib1ref campaign twice a year including every May 15th to June 5th. Available redlists: Librarians (CS) (WD); Archivists (WD); Museum people (CS); Curators (WD). --Rosiestep (talk) 16:19, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * See also "Get ready for the May edition of the 2022 #1Lib1Ref campaign!" via Wikimedia-l. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Suggestions
Some suggestions, all made through the lens of trying to increase the number and quality of articles about historilaly marginalised groups:
 * Women with disabilities, disability activists, disability focussed academics
 * Women from low income countries, or from the global south

Other suggestions, with theme of "doing good":
 * Women in healthcare
 * Women humanitarians
 * Women scientists and academics
 * Women inventors, engineers women in technology and mathematics CT55555 (talk) 06:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, that would be a great idea to move forward. Fade258 (talk) 06:29, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . Great suggestions! Regarding science, technology, engineering, mathematics, every October, WiR does its annual STEM event so for sure, those topics will be covered in that month. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If the emphasis is on women inventors, it might be interesting to include the topic in May.--Ipigott (talk) 11:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Firming up for May 2022
YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217

CONTINUING - TRANSLATION CONTEST * Translation contest (Apr-May-Jun) - Iwill update on May 1 - WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC) ** Event #227 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/227 (Translation Contest) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-227

NEW - Women in the Ancient World  (a helpful go-by from 2021 event)  * Women in the Ancient World ** Event #229 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/229 Women in the Ancient World ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-229

NEW - GEOFOCUS * British Overseas Territories ** Event #230 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/230  (British Overseas Territories) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-230

ANNOUNCEMENTS (EVENTS FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * 100 DC Women * Galleries, Libraries, Archives, Museums - GLAM. Collaboration with m:The Wikipedia Library/1Lib1Ref

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events May added and commented out

,, , - very rough draft of to-do list created. I didn't archive April because some of the discussions/decisions would be relevant to May. (archived april 27th) I did not assign event numbers. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:50, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like a great line-up of events for May! Thanks for getting this started, . --Rosiestep (talk) 16:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello all, I've put numbers next to them now. I think they were both my suggestions, so I'll work on the missing events tonight, and hopefully someone can check them tomorrow! Lajmmoore (talk) 12:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, looks like 228 was already taken, so I bumped the events up a number. Hope this doesn't mess up your drafts. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:17, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted draft logo. Comments welcome. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Ha! *facepalm* that'll teach me to not look if things are linked, thanks for spotting it! Lajmmoore (talk) 16:26, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I have made a stab at the Women in the Ancient World but there's only one redlist so far. Please jump in and improve/change as you think fit. Also, I'm mystified that it and its template still show as redlinks, despite existing when you click through. --Oronsay (talk) 21:09, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , I have had the exact same experience of red links not turning blue for several hours or days! A complete mystery. Eventually it all seems to work out, but still??? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:36, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Always relieved to discover that it's not just me!--Oronsay (talk) 23:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

,, Looks like it is ready to go. Shall we ping Megalibrarygirl to ask her to send? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think all is ready and, in Australia, there's less than 24 hours before 1 May!--Oronsay (talk) 20:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Megalibrarygirl at your convenience, would you send out the May WiR notice? Thank you so much! Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I've alerted Megalibrarygirl by email but I see she hasn't been very active recently. If she doesn't respond soon, perhaps or  could take care of the mass messaging.--Ipigott (talk) 08:57, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Great line up and I love the graphic. Great to see a themed logo that jyst says what our theme is. Victuallers (talk) 09:30, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * *Thanks :) I was pleased with the image too. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:26, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi! Everything is sent out! Sorry for the slow reply... Life has been insanely busy! But yes, emailing me gets my attention! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:54, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi! It appears that WiR members O–Z, including me and Rosiestep, have not received the May invitation. I follow a number of editors with user names across the alphabet and can see that the message has been received by users in the first two groups, but not the third. Can this please be remedied?--Oronsay (talk) 21:21, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , me, too. I didn't receive the May invitation. (I can't MassMessage it or I would.) --Rosiestep (talk) 04:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I’m here, I can do that last set! Innisfree987 (talk) 04:51, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * All good now? Innisfree987 (talk) 04:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes; thank you, :) --Rosiestep (talk) 05:06, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Annual June initiative - Pride

 * with LGBT+
 * I appreciate the continued collaboration b/w WiR + Wiki Loves Pride --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * uploaded draft logo. comments welcome. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:28, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it looks good,, but I have a query for . I recently saw this reboot flag displayed at an advocacy meeting. Not sure how widely it is recognized or if we should use it? SusunW (talk) 16:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it is used widely (at least in the UK) - its on the pavements in Leeds, and last year (as part of Wiki Loves Pride) I started the page for its creator Daniel Quasar (who is also a Wikipedian!) Lajmmoore (talk) 16:58, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have any experience with graphic design, but I'm certainly not going to object to imagery which incorporates Daniel Quasar's 'progress' flag. I'd like to think the flag is becoming more widely used, but I might be biased because I live in Portland, Oregon (which is very progressive and where Quasar lives). The progress flag is generally seen as more inclusive for acknowledging Black and Brown people, as well as trans people and gender variance more generally. I hope this helps. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * BTW, thanks for creating this image, WomenArtistUpdates! I'd welcome an additional version with the added colors, if you are interested in creating one. If not, no worries! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:03, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input . I'm in Mexico, so I think what you are saying about it gaining recognition is probably accurate. We've been so isolated since Covid, it's hard to know because travel has been non-existent, so I only know my bubble. Like you, I'm willing to leave it up to because I have no skills and she obviously does . SusunW (talk) 17:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , I like the logo!! --Rosiestep (talk) 22:02, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Forehead slap from here. I have been gently reminded on another project that the Progress flag is preferred. Uploading a new logo. Cutting the progress flag into a heart shape didn't look very good. Pinging  . Thank you for the prompt feedback! I have time left, so keep the suggestions coming.  WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , How about, instead of a black heart, that there's only an outline of the heart... outline in white? in black? in gray? --Rosiestep (talk) 22:52, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * More like this? For the folks coming late to this discussion, click on the logo and scroll down to look at the different versions. State your preference/comments welcome, though we will stick with the progress flag. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:33, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * --Rosiestep (talk) 05:27, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I like this one in black best - thanks so much for going to all the effort @WomenArtistUpdates - its so great to see! Lajmmoore (talk) 08:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for going silent, lots of stuff on my plate right now. Thanks for all of your work on this. I'm torn, I like the idea of the outline, but am wondering if charcoal gray or a bluer gray would soften the WIR image somewhat. The lighter gray seems jarring to me, but that is probably just me. I also like the one in black, but worry that it sends the message that women have a black heart. But, that said, I'm happy to go with consensus. SusunW (talk) 13:15, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's let it percolate for another day and let others join in. Someone may jump in with the perfect idea. I do recommend that we keep in mind that it will be small, so readability at a small size is important. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:19, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this one might be the look we are searching for. Strong WiR logo, strong progress pride, readable at a small size. We can always revert, but I am feeling good about this one. For the folks coming late to this discussion, click on the logo and scroll down to look at the different versions. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:35, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

100% agree. Thank you so much for working so hard on this. I really appreciate your efforts. SusunW (talk) 20:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, my husband who is an artist says your black outline around the WiR heart and silhouette are what makes it pop and he votes for this one too SusunW (talk) 20:41, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * +1 for black outline around the WiR heart and silhouette. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * yeah, that one thin line makes the pop... Thanks :) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:23, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @WomenArtistUpdates looks great! Lajmmoore (talk) 06:15, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Geofocus?
Continuing this thread with Danish Overseas Territories? Lajmmoore (talk) 18:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Are there any? The most important ones were sold to the United States.--Ipigott (talk) 07:55, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ipigott - this came out of @Urve's suggestion to include Greenland and the Faroes and their comments about a need to update the lists. I think would be the last of these "territories" geofocus themes though. & perhaps we could think about something broader from July? Lajmmoore (talk) 09:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The lists are pretty small in scope - both for Greenland and Faroe Islands, it's mostly sportspeople. There are important Greenlandic and Faroese women, but I haven't had much luck finding a good source to find many other names, or those that I do find, it's hard to imagine they could have meaningful articles created. (Many of them just being elected to their parliaments and having little coverage otherwise.) I'm always game for Greenlandic women - but can't say we would make much progress over a month. Urve (talk) 11:45, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If we mean Greenland and the Faroes then we should say so. I don't think we can call them Danish overseas territories which are covered in Danish overseas colonies. For further background, see Autonomy in Denmark: Greenland and the Faroe Islands.--Ipigott (talk) 15:15, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure. This distinction seems to be a terminological and legal fiction, but I'm not miffed if while working on these territories we use alternate language to make clear what the focus is. Urve (talk) 21:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ipigott What's the correct terminology - is it Danish overseas colonies? Or should we just call this focus Greenland & Faroes? I also take your point @Urve about progress, these small geofocuses don't have huge numbers, but bearing in mind the size of the places they seem worthwhile: Overseas France (17), Dutch Caribbean (16), US territories (16), Hong Kong & Macau (25) - most are new articles too! Lajmmoore (talk) 21:31, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I would suggest "Denmark's autonomous territories: Greenland and the Faroe Islands" on the meetup page, elsewhere summarized as "Greenland and the Faroes". It's all rather sensitive with their interest in further independence while the USA, Russia, China, etc., are hoping to establish themselves in the north of Greenland. Unfortunately it's not easy to find good acceptable sources for women from these areas but let's just see how it goes.--Ipigott (talk) 09:01, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Music
It's been awhile (I found this December 2019 event) since we focused on music so maybe it would be nice to revisit it in June? Here are some redlists, but there might additional ones in our index that I missed. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Cancionistas (WD)
 * Cellists (WD)
 * Composers (CS)
 * DJs (WD)
 * Guitarists (WD)
 * Musicians (CS) (WD)
 * Music teachers (WD)
 * Organists (WD)
 * Pianists (WD)
 * Rock music women (WD)
 * Singers (WD) (L)
 * K-pop singers (WD)
 * Opera singers (WD)
 * Singer-songwriters (WD)
 * Songwriters and hymnwriters (WD)
 * Violinists (WD)
 * Woodwind players (WD)
 * Onze Musici ("Our Musicians") (WD)
 * Grove Music Online (WD)
 * Hymnary.org (WD)


 * Good idea to focus on music. It might create new interest after rather disappointing results for May.--Ipigott (talk) 07:58, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Rosiestep @Ipigott this theme seems a good idea! Lajmmoore (talk) 09:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Currently, we don't have redlists for these music occupations: musicologist d:Q14915627; music theorist d:Q16031530; music therapist d:Q10334002; cantor d:Q30906402; brass player d:Q25829748; instrumentalist d:Q1278335. I don't know if there's anyone here who has time/inclination to create redlists, or maybe we should ask on the WiR mainpage? --Rosiestep (talk) 14:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * has always been of great assistance in this connection. It seems to me popular music is pretty well covered without the need for special focus. We probably need to give more emphasis to classical and folk music from around the world, perhaps inviting biographies on composers, conductors, performers (musicians and singers) and related organizations. I think may be able to make some useful suggestions.--Ipigott (talk) 15:07, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ipigott & @Rosiestep it might be worth signposting to the WIR folklore list, as I seem to remember there being a few ethnomusicologists there. Lajmmoore (talk) 21:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Firming up for June 2022
YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217

CONTINUING - TRANSLATION CONTEST * Translation contest (Apr-May-Jun) - I will update on June 1 WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:13, 24 May 2022 (UTC) ** Event #227 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/227 (Translation Contest) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-227

NEW - LGBTQ+ women  (a helpful go-by from 2021 event)  * LGBTQ+ women | Wiki Loves Pride ** Event #231 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/231 LGBTQ+ women | Wiki Loves Pride ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-231

NEW - GEOFOCUS * Danish Overseas Territories (see above) Greenland and the Faroes ** Event #232 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/232  (Greenland and the Faroes) ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-232

NEW - MUSIC  (a helpful go-by from 2019 event)  * Women in music ** Event #233 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/233 Women in music ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-233

ANNOUNCEMENTS (EVENTS FACILITATED BY OTHERS) TBD... International Women in Engineering Day (INWED) ?

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events June 2022 added in and commented out WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:11, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

,, , - very rough draft of to-do list created. I did not assign event numbers. Awaiting consensus. Feel free to amend, ping others, etc. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:13, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Great start, thanks @WomenArtistUpdates.--Oronsay (talk) 20:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm going to work on Music.--Oronsay (talk) 20:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the numbers ! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:32, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me; thank you! --Rosiestep (talk) 21:47, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll do the Danish territories one, no worries! Lajmmoore (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Now that 's done the heavy lifting, I'll take 231 LGBTQ+ women | Wiki Loves Pride WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, BTW, it is doin' that thing where the redlinks don't turn blue right away. I made the talk template for 231 but it is showing up red. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:06, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * So excited about #223 (Music)! I've added an "early start" article. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've proofread the pages I didn't create and OKd them. Invitation needs decision on adding International Women in Engineering Day. I'm adding a link to Women in Music and as a courtesy advising them on their talk page. If they come back to us and ask for us to make it "in association with WiM" we can easily update the meetup page. Hope this is the best way to handle this.--Oronsay (talk) 20:43, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Music looks good to me. Changed them to checks. I haven't heard or seen anything about an International Women in Engineering Day event, so I'll take it off the invite/ WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Good move. Thanks.--Oronsay (talk) 06:26, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * and If you could take one last look and then reply here confirming ok I will e-mail  to ask her to send the invites. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:56, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I just had a quick look and it all looks fine to me Lajmmoore (talk) 18:56, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * All ready to go, thanks @WomenArtistUpdates and @Lajmmoore.--Oronsay (talk) 19:39, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've e-mailed MLG requesting the mass mail. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think has been off line since the 24th., Would you be able to send the invite out? Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Everything looks fine to me too but I see "Encourage someone to become a WiR member this month by registering in the box at the top of our main page" has been copied back into the invitation. I took it out for May and can report that without it, we already have 12 new members, substantially more than usual. Unless someone is keen to have it back, I suggest we should remove it for June and future months.--Ipigott (talk) 06:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure. It is gone from the invite. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:05, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know who has the ability to do mass messaging, but I am concerned that the June invite needs to go out ASAP. Sue has been very busy in real life per her few posts and I am sure neither Ian nor myself have this authority/ability. Can someone send the invite or notify someone who can? SusunW (talk) 15:36, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @SusunW sorry, I don't know how. Lajmmoore (talk) 17:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Victuallers are you able to send the message? @SusunW this prompted me to put a request in to be a Mass Messager, so hopefully I'll be able to help out soon Lajmmoore (talk) 17:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yay, ! Thanks for trying to get it sent and for requesting the permission. I knew it was something that required approval for, but had no clue what and you know, technical thingy . SusunW (talk) 18:11, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * had kindly left me some encouragement/instructions, which I had forgotten about since new year. Just leaving them there in case anyone else would like to put in a request while we are at it Lajmmoore (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe might be available? I believe that all of them currently have Mass Message sending ability. A friendly FYI that the message in need of sending is here: WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022. The 3 lists of names (who should get the message) are here: WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022. Thank you! (P.S. Again... sorry that I can't send the invite because of the other hat I began wearing in 2021.) --Rosiestep (talk) 18:25, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * et. al.: I'm actually stepping away from the computer for a bit right now, but if nobody's done it by the time I get back I can take a whack at it. I will warn you that I'm a bit rusty, but I can probably figure it out from here. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:28, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm not so sure about that, now I think about it...I'm so rusty I'd rather not, as I've had issues with mass-messaging screwing up on me before. Best to ask for someone else to do it, I think.-- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi all! I was able to get reliable WiFi and sent the invites out! and  hopefully my life is settling down a bit after this month. Fingers crossed! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 09:23, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . Sorry to have bothered you during the holidays.--Ipigott (talk) 09:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yay Sue. I actually am sort of glad this happened so we now learned backup names in case they are needed. SusunW (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . Appreciate you more than you know! --Rosiestep (talk) 14:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries, y'all! Glad I got a good hotspot at the right time. I'm back from the beach now! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:29, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi all, I’m really sorry my availability hasn’t consistently picked back up this year. I’m going to take my name off the WIR MMS list so there’s no confusion about it. I’ll def alert if/when (I hope) things change but as of now, I almost never have the block of uninterrupted time that it takes me on mobile to test and execute the list. So sorry my availability fell off so shortly after Rosie had to pass on the role. Innisfree987 (talk) 03:02, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Suggestion: under represented geographies
Quoting from Geographical bias on Wikipedia "there is a common trend towards more content related to the United States and Western Europe coupled with the scarcity of information about certain regions in the rest of the world" and also "A 2010 analysis of Wikipedia people edits revealed that Asia, as the most populous continent, was represented in only 16.67% of edits. Africa (6.35%) and South America (2.58%) were equally underrepresented. A 2011 study by OII found that 84 percent of articles tagged with a location were in Europe or North America, and that Antarctica had more entries than any African or South American nation. According to Adama Sanneh, the founder of the WikiAfrica Education initiative, as of 2021 there are more articles on the English Wikipedia about Paris than Africa." Therefore suggesting July as "Women in under represented geographies" month with us focusing on South America, Asia and Africa. CT55555 (talk) 14:03, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Have you seen this list, it's really interesting and links to your suggestion. Lajmmoore (talk) 15:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I had not seen that until now. CT55555 (talk) 18:24, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

A is for "A start"
This idea is discussed below in "A is for A start". Basically WiR runs through the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography alphabetically (by first name?) over time. It gained a lot of traction in 2019 and then lost momentum. If there is enthusiasm perhaps it should be revived. ,, , , , , , and anyone else following this thread, Is there interest in moving this up from suggestions and onto the schedule starting in July 2022? If so, was the idea to work on A in July, B in August, C in Sept etc? the redlist can be sorted by first name. Is that how the alphabetization go? I don't have an opinion either way, I was reviewing suggestions and thought maybe this idea is one that has ripened (or rotted). WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:31, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * For my own part, I am not really interested in covering people mentioned in the ODNB as I generally leave articles on English-speaking people to those who take a special interest, in this case no doubt those with strong attachments to the United Kingdom. Nearly all the biographies I create are about people from non English-speaking countries. I nevertheless think it might be useful to create a small subproject consisting of members of Women in Red who are interested in pursuing this cause. Rather than creating a new focus with month-by-month meetup pages, it would then be possible to draw attention to the subproject in our announcements or on our talk page and to post accounts of progress whenever appropriate.--Ipigott (talk) 06:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmmm ... I think I thought we were moving to working alphabetically (which can obviously include ODNB), and that (some time ago) had made a suggested list of roughly, if you grouped letters together, what might be equal? I would be happy with a letter a month too (but that would then by 2+years ongoing). What do others think? Lajmmoore (talk) 17:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


 * My suggestion was WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Ideas/Archive_7 (second time round!), as a way to move away from the Eurocentricity of "May Maries" and "July Julies" etc. I suggested we divvy up the alphabet into 12 chunks (or 24) and I produced a set of roughly-even divisions based on looking at 1921 births sorted by surname to see how the pages divided up. We could do the same for forenames - the alphabetical chunks would, at a guess, still be roughly the same size. It could be a sort of "background" editathon each month, a nudge to create something for one of these women even if none of the month's specific topics appeals.  Pam  D  17:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I like the idea of dividing the alphabet and working through it systematically in chunks; forename chunks for 12 months, surname chunks for 12 months, either or both. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Love the idea, but I do want to speak up for possibly including the colonies like American and Australia that have comparable National Biographies. I've also been doing some cleanup on our redlist because there's quite a few names on the list that already have en.wp articles and they are showing up on the list due to duplicate Wikidata items.  Would be good to have some more sets of eyes as the list is quite long.  If you don't know how to merge Wikidata items or don't want to bother with Wikidata, just ping me and I can do it.  Gamaliel  ( talk ) 03:46, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Kind of like Ian, I don't necessarily want to focus on Brits or folks from the US, but I like the idea of systematically working through the letters of the alphabet. The Dictionary of African Biography and Dictionary of Caribbean and Afro–Latin American Biography are available through the Wikipedia Library, there is also Prominent Personalities in the USSR, which is available from archive.org. There's the Dutch Biography Portal, Dictionary of Canadian Biography, Swedish Dictionary of National Biography, Danish Women's Biographical Lexicon and hundreds of others that could be used. SusunW (talk) 17:31, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The important bit was in the title, the nationality is definately not the objective. The idea would be to choose a random area of women. Maybe all the people whose first name begins with the first letter of their alphabet. Success would be measured by someone being able to say "I've just thought of a historic notable Nigerian whose name begins with an A. Do you know who it is?" ... and the reply would be "No, but I know that they have a Wiki article because we did every dead woman whose name begins with an "A" or "Alpha" (etc) in 2022... it doesnt matter if they are Nigerian, Gibraltarian or Ecuadorian... we did the lot". Victuallers (talk) 20:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this is a lovely idea; let's do it! Shall we go with given names or family names (or both)? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * So thinking about this as an year long approach starting in July ... It sounds like people want to do a theme that takes letters as a theme, but the Wikidata lists used are those drawing from biographical dictionaries (& for several editors that will be non-western ones)? Is that right? This is a potential split for the months ... thoughts? I'd be in favour of including first and last names.

The only thing I wondered, was whether it made sense to start it in the middle of the year, rather than make it an annual challenge for next year? Lajmmoore (talk) 15:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , I like this a lot. Has someone created the "A" lists (first name; last name) yet? I'm curious how many names are on each. Thanks for setting this up! --Rosiestep (talk) 13:21, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * In my mind, we didn't have separate Wikidata lists for letters, but just used exisiting lists? I feel like there's a real risk that some would be so large listeria would really struggle? Lajmmoore (talk) 21:34, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, this; and all the WD lists have a toggle in the top bar for reordering the list alphabetically, chronologically, etc. Not perfect but a good place to start. (I use those toggles a lot, but maybe for some folks it'll be a handy new trick.) Penny Richards (talk) 15:21, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Firming up for July
YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217

NEW - Alphabet run A and B  * Alphabet run A and B ** Event #234  WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/234 Alphabet run A and B  ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-234

NEW - GEOFOCUS * Baltic States ** Event #235 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/235 Baltic States ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-235

ANNOUNCEMENTS (EVENTS FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * Women in Green | Good Article Editathon July 2022 - Women and the Environment

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: use climate logo COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events July 2022

,, , - very rough draft of to-do list created. I did not assign event numbers. Discuss :) I am posting this now because my schedule will be very uncertain in the coming weeks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:44, 18 June 2022 (UTC)


 * ,, , , , : Perhaps one of our priorities for July could be "Award winners". There are some interesting items on List of awards honoring women and also in some of the other more general awards under Category:Lists of awards. We could try to focus on a few areas in which women are important prize-winners. If this sounds interesting I could start to work on it but would appreciate some assistance. I seem to remember we have at least one participant who has shown particular interest in awards but I can't remember who. I've just remembered: it's . In this connection, I see we have WikiProject Women in Red/Awards.--Ipigott (talk) 12:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * For our geofocus, I suggest the "Baltic states" (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania) which have been receiving attention as a result of the Ukrainian crisis.--Ipigott (talk) 12:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Women in Green is trying to organize an editathon for July. If it comes together in the next few days, can we include a notice in our invite? SusunW (talk) 18:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, of course. When the details are clear, you might like to draft something yourself. You could also include something on the main WiR page under Announcements.--Ipigott (talk) 06:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! We should know for sure by Wednesday or Thursday if it's a go and I'll advise. SusunW (talk) 13:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't exactly know where to put this but here's the link for the Women in Green editathon that the group would like to have included on our July invitation. July WiG editathon page and I'm pinging because I have no earthly idea how to edit the invitation to include it.SusunW (talk) 19:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I put it on our list and in the draft announcement. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:20, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! SusunW (talk) 20:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Baltic States sounds like a sensible GeoFocus to me! Just tagging who had suggested (above) women from Asia, Africa and South America for this month. I wonder if that's a bit broad? They've  also suggested refugees for August, which seems more focussed. Lajmmoore (talk) 08:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to go with Baltic States for July. It would be good if we can settle on this and get started on the pages.-- Oronsay (talk) 21:57, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Baltic States for July sounds good. --!!!!
 * Hello all, I started an event for the Alphabet Run, but it needs more lists adding (would you have some suggestions @SusunW?), copy editing, an image choosing, and perhaps not being green? I'm a bit busy the rest of this week, but I would like to do the Mass Messaging on Monday 27th! Lajmmoore (talk) 22:25, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I changed the color from bright green to pale orange. I can easily change it to another. Just let me know. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I honestly have no clue or skill to make a list. If one already exists, I can add stuff to it, but how to create it, is beyond me. As apparently no one has had time to make lists from the sources I listed previously, perhaps we just list the links to where they can be searched? Dictionary of African Biography, Dictionary of Caribbean and Afro–Latin American Biography, Prominent Personalities in the USSR, Dutch Biography Portal, Dictionary of Canadian Biography, Swedish Dictionary of National Biography, Danish Women's Biographical Lexicon and any others anyone can think of? SusunW (talk) 22:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks @SusunW that's a good idea! I'll do that now! Lajmmoore (talk) 08:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Good to hear there is support for Baltic States and suggest we go ahead with it. Surprised to see no responses on Awards. I thought that perhaps with assistance from we could narrow it down to a few of the more important awards where there are still a number of red links, perhaps specifying "Awards for science". But we could also take this opportunity to emphasize the importance of "Climate" now that we are embarking on the third quarter.--Ipigott (talk) 10:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * An addendum commont on lists of womens names beginning with A. Creating such a redlist would be tricky and huge! The resulting list would be daunting. The idea was that you find someone at random OR you/me/they take your/their favourite redlist and sort it into name order. You may get "Aanne Singh" first or "Aaadlady, Rocio" first. So if you pick the list of women plumbers... then Can you target to do all the African and Asian women plumbers whose name begins with A? At the end of the month we should be able to hypothetically look at Wikipedia and see small areas where we have done "every" women in red. How may people "get this".? If you guys don't understand it then we are going to have great difficulty with the rest. Victuallers (talk) 11:48, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it "get it" . But it seems like the amount of organization needed to pull off a focused attack on a specific list is something WiR lacks. That, combined with the fractured system for creating redlists, I think, makes your goal unattainable. Also, once we finish all the current African women master plumbers who's name starts with A, there certainly will be more that come along. Could such a goal ever be reached? Even if we were trying to cover just dead African women master plumbers, more notable candidates would turn up over time. We, as a group, seem to be deciding at the last minute what we will do in the upcoming month. Even this thread has about 4 topics. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:28, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * OK - I'll step back on this. I think its not caught enough to make it work anyway. Victuallers (talk) 20:37, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If we're going by major awards, perhaps List of prizes known as the Nobel or the highest honors of a field could help. Otherwise, Bancroft Prize and Pulitzer Prize pass WP:NACADEMICS. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 11:50, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delighted to see an A-Z challenge firming up. We need to clarify whether we're talking first names or surnames/sortkeys, or "whichever you like". (Or one, one year, and the other, another time?) And dividing that way produces pretty uneven chunks (10% of a UK university catalogue records start with "B", or did in my years-ago card-catalogue early career!). But I don't suppose it matters. Good idea anyway - people can pick the national biography of their choice, or anything else, and go for "A-B" or whatever. (Much better than our previous Eurocentric "May Maries" etc). Pam  D  09:00, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support @PamD - I thought it easier for others to just go with A-B, rather than divide the letters further (though I know it's not super precise). I think on the page, I went for first, middle, last, to give people choice, and to include naming conventions where a last name might appear to be a first name to editors unaware of differences in naming conventions (I started a page for Chit Po and some very kind editors rescued me from the mess I made of Burmese naming).
 * @Victuallers thanks for your comments too, like others said, its hard for everyone to agree on what dictionary to work from, as we all have our own priorities/skills - the positive from this (I hope) is that it will point people to the biographical dictionaries as a source! What I'll do is highlight which Dictionary lists we have that are short, so people can choose to focus on them. The Dictionary of African Biography should be complete-able for example - 12 names, although sourcing might need some deep diving. Hope this sounds like a good compromise Lajmmoore (talk) 08:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I have ok-ed the Alphabet Run. Can't ok Baltic States (creator) or invitation (contributor). Perhaps Lajmmoore can help?--Oronsay (talk) 21:59, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks - Baltic States looks good! Lajmmoore (talk) 08:53, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Mass messaging
Hello all, I've now got Mass messenger permission, so can help with the send out. would it be OK to arrange a time for you to show me what to do via screen share? I'm thinking I can share my screen and you could talk me through the steps? Lajmmoore (talk) 14:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Great news! Let me know when you'd like for us to meet. Rosiestep (talk) 14:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Thank you for taking the time to apply for endorsement.--Oronsay (talk) 15:31, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * That's really good news. A few years back I suggested that I should perhaps apply for permission too but as there didn't seem to be much support, I thought I should leave it to the administrators. It looks to me, by the way, that is increasingly gaining the skills necessary to become an administrator herself.--Ipigott (talk) 13:26, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ipigott that's such a nice compliment, but I think it's a way away! Lajmmoore (talk) 08:36, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , I can only assume that I didn't notice your suggestion a few years back, but if you still have time+inclination, I'd be VERY happy to support your request at MassMessenger and/or RfA! --Rosiestep (talk) 00:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That's very kind of you,, but let's first see how things proceed with mass messaging over the next few months. As for RfA, after working for many years as an administrator for EU research in areas similar to those covered by Wikipedia, I decided long ago that I would prefer not to take on administrative tasks here. In any case, I seldom need such privileges for what I do and in the rare cases I need assistance, I know I can always call on you.--Ipigott (talk) 05:31, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't underestimate your strengths, especially your helpfulness. Think about it.--Ipigott (talk) 08:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Seconded! --Rosiestep (talk) 00:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Firming up for August
YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217

NEW - Alphabet run C and D  * Alphabet run C and D ** Event #236  WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/236 Alphabet run C and D   ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-236

NEW - Indigenous women * Indigenous women ** Event #237 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/237 Indigenous women ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-237

NEW - GEOFOCUS * Refugees ** Event #238 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/238 Refugees ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-238

NEW - Comedians, Comics and other Performers * Comedians, Comics and other Performers ** Event #239 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/239 Comedians, Comics and other Performers ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-239

ANNOUNCEMENTS (EVENTS FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * meta:Interwiki_Women_Collaboration_2022 focus UEFA Women's Euro 2022 per Invitation

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events

,, , , , - very rough draft of to-do list created. I did not assign event numbers. Shall we use the Indigenous women logo from 2021 or something new? Discuss :) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I just want to say thank you for the Alphabet Run idea. I am having so much fun with it. And, big thank you to starting us on August planning, ; really appreciate it what you're doing! --Rosiestep (talk) 18:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah the alphabet run credit goes to the collaborative process, NOT me, but thanks :) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the numbers . I will draft the "Alphabet run" 236 and "Indigenous women" 237, assume "Refugees" when creating the clickables. Will add clickable for the late proposal of "comedians" if that launches. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I regret I'm unable to create a meetup page this month, but will be happy to help with proofreading.--Oronsay (talk) 23:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * *, Would you have time to add a pair of eyes to WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/239 Comedians, Comics and other Performers?
 * I've been working on the Refugee women red list. I've never done this before, so am guessing how to, but here's my work so far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT55555/sandbox/NotableRefugees CT55555 (talk) 23:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "never done this before"?? .... very impressive redlist! Victuallers (talk) 13:22, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * that's fantastic @CT55555! Lajmmoore (talk) 11:58, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've started the refugee page, but it needs proofing, and I have no idea about templates (I promise to learn). I'm very pressed for time this month, so if someone could do the Mass Message, I can do it in August? Lajmmoore (talk) 16:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Just checked the remaining which are all ok now, apart from template for #238 that I just created.--Oronsay (talk) 20:52, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Just checked the template for #238. Looks good. Pinging, , , . Do you want another look or should the invite go out? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , I think it's ok to go out. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree the invitation can go out now but I think needs to do something about the banner on Comedians as the "Find out more" does not work. Perhaps the banner could simply be removed until there is really more information to be found from CARE or whoever it is intended to link to. We're planning a really ambitious month with a focus on four new items. Let's hope we'll get the response we need.--Ipigott (talk) 05:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have removed the button - the button was designed for when it runs on the main page. Unnecessary here I think. Thank you for assistance. Victuallers (talk) 09:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, would you do the honors please? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:17, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Earlier in this thread, Lajmmoore told us would be unable to mass message. I have emailed Megalibrarygirl to request her help.--Oronsay (talk) 22:32, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I missed that. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello both @Oronsay & @WomenArtistUpdates - I found a bit of time this morning, so I've done the Mass Messaging (I think so anyway), hopefully its OK and sorry to bother you @Megalibrarygirl - hope things are OK Lajmmoore (talk) 11:02, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you kindly.--Oronsay (talk) 16:55, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and ! Sorry I missed the request earlier. Thank you for getting out the invites. I'm doing OK, just busy again in real life. Every time I think it will slow down, it doesn't! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:28, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Comedy in August to coincide with Edinburgh festival
,, , , ,
 * I'm keen to add an editathon for August to cover "women in the arts (especially comedy) in August to coincide with Edinburgh festival" (see above) this fits in with the plans of CARE (meeting on Monday) and Wikimedia UK . There is an in person editathon on the 29th July in Edinburgh so that could create some early starters. We have increased the number of people looking at our home page from 500 a day on average to 700 with a peak at c. 1100. It would be good to have a specific page for them. We have written to the Edinburgh Festival (very big in the UK) to ask for lists of people appearing. Assistance welcomed with a red list/compilation, art work or anyone who would like to wander around Edinburgh with a camera? Our Twitter feed threw up a quote from "On This Day, She" which was "blanks in history are frequently woman shaped" - which intrigues me as a WIR hook. Victuallers (talk) 09:19, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Already replied to this earlier here but it seems to have been archived. Here's what I wrote:--Ipigott (talk) 09:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * It's good to hear CARE are still interested in providing support for better coverage of women on Wikipedia. It seems to me that the secret of success in this connection would be careful planning, in particular by bringing together editors or potential editors who are really interested in writing pertinent new articles rather than just general encouragement. It might also be useful to try to get in touch with some of the critics who, as writers, might be interested in participating themselves and perhaps spreading interest in CARE and WiR. As it is a UK initiative, it would therefore seem to depend on the readiness of UK trainers to play a more active role than they did with the Euros. The Edinburgh festival might well provide opportunities, perhaps indeed in connection with women comedians. Those involved in WiR at Edinburgh University may be interested although the festival in during the summer holidays. From the WiR side, it would also mean preparing redlists, encouraging collaboration via our ideas page and following up on article creation, etc. Time is rather tight but I would be happy to do what I can to assist as far as I can although I have little interest in writing about British comedians myself. I should nevertheless point out that it is not easy for newcomers to write BLPs and I am not too sure how many notable comedians we have who are no longer living. The event page for last November's "Women in film and stage" may be a useful starting point. Hope this helps.--Ipigott (talk) 10:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ipigott (missed yr reply - my error), I agree that "general encouragement" is available everywhere. Our offer is special because we can DO something. Writing new articles isn't easy and few succeed without quite a bit of support.( ... and its getting harder. I see AfCs being turned down for not having a ref in every paragraph - which is a bar higher than some MSc dissertations.) However I have been thinking about this and CARE are wanting to collaborate and we need to welcome their proposals - and maybe adjust them! I will create a page at |WIR-999 as a draft based on your suggestion. Feel free to move it obviously. I did have a look a few weeks ago and we do not have many comedians in our redlists (of any nationality) and I think this may be due to the difficulty of breaking through to notability. "Comedians" may be a good hook, but "performers" is a better group here. I don't see that we need to add "British" into this. Any help you can offer is appreciated. I shall create the page now.

Victuallers (talk) 09:55, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm supportive of this, . Add it. See how it goes. --Rosiestep (talk) 12:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * : I often miss these things too, particularly if I have been pinged more than once on the same page. Why 999? If we're going to have a focus in August, we should use WIR-239. Performers may help but I really think we could do something about comedians, comics, etc. Perhaps someone like could run a redlist on  comedian (Q245068). We already have a useful Category:Comedians although there seem to be very few women. So we could call it Comedians as CARE have suggested but also include other theatrical or stage performers.--Ipigott (talk) 14:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me Ian. "999" was just a "holder". 239 sounds good. A broadly construed list of comedians, as you suggest, sounds like a good idea and can then use the hooky title of comedians. Hope Tagishsimon (or similar) can lend some time to create one.... and does know anyone who could do a comedian/clown themed logo?)  Victuallers (talk) 15:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've moved this topic to it's own heading as those interested in pursuing continue to expand on what is wanted. I am not seeing a link to the draft page. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks - much tidier:-) It is currently at WIR-999 but it should be moving to Ian's suggested number. I think clown/comics is going to be hooky. Hope you are intrigued . I like your Indigenous logo! Victuallers (talk) 18:06, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Its now at 239 and I have added a quickly created hand crafted redlist and a couple of example new images. Not sure how to create the rest of the stuff but thank you for the help. I should mention that Women in Red is spoken of very well on Twitter ... we were described as "the beloved @wikiwomeninred" so I share that here for those who don't follow the twitter feed but DO stuff (and make us gleam in the ephemeral light of social media). Victuallers (talk) 13:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've folded the page into the invitation, etc. I have not been inspired to create "comedy". I can't think how the bun lady could be depicted laughing. Maybe have her sitting on a whoopie cushion? At any rate I think reusing the logo from the previous showbiz one with the bun lady on a film strip looks good on the page. I incorporated that image into the template. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:13, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks as if this is developing along the right lines. Busy today but I'll take a closer look tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 15:47, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi - love the logo! She looks like Lenny Bruce :) I cropped it down a bit so that she can shine. If you prefer the bigger margin, just revert. I put her on the invite too. Thanks! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi - That means a lot! - the project has looked more stylish since you started to create. The oversized border is only useful on Twitter which for some reason needs a selvedge for new logos (dont understand why). Pleased she is on the invite and with our continuing collaboration :-) Victuallers (talk) 07:20, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * This seems to be developing well and thanks to Tagishsimon we now have a Wikidata redlist on Comedians (see WIR-239). Now that we are going ahead, it may be useful to tie up with CARE and encourage them to do what they can to publicize the event and inform us of any steps they are taking in connection with the Edinburgh Festival, etc. Perhaps we can link to their website if it is updated in this connection.--Ipigott (talk) 08:30, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 's is superb, I honestly thought we didn't have that many which is why I was scratching around on the Edinburgh festival site. has helped with creating with you  and it now looks creditable to our project, for once "comedic" is a compliment! I shall delete all the other redlists as they are available elsewhere and Simon's list should keep even the keenest editor supplied with comedic ideas. I'm trying to encourage CARE to come and edit here Ian, but meanwhile I will email your suggestion and share the reply. Thankyou all Victuallers (talk) 09:06, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ian, you were asking about a link to where CARE are talking about out collaberation so I got this link for you. I think this may be of general interest. I'm told that Bianca Jagger has also been mentioning us. Victuallers (talk) 16:41, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a great link, . I suggest you reintroduce the "Find out more" button.--Ipigott (talk) 08:58, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow! Bianca Jagger; now that's cool! I see at the top of this section that there is an in person editathon on the 29th July (tomorrow) in Edinburgh. Will there be a virtual event in August. If so, would love to attend it, schedule permitting. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:35, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Stinglehammer organises an editathon at 1pm UK time on the last Friday of each month and they have recently been hosted virtually by University of Edinburgh as "Women in Red" events. You should be able to find the events on Eventbrite. Tomorrow's event will include the Press officer from CARE as a trainee and WIR's lead in Kenya, Carol Mwara. Not sure, you are aware, but England are in the final for the Women's Euros. This is BIG in the UK as all the matchs are on the BBC in primetime at our largest stadiums with sell out crowds. (People (like me) who are not interested in football at all are watching the matches). As a result its likely that the focus will remain on football rather than comedy and refugees for a while. On other news - we have nominated James Boyes to be UK Wikipedian of the year. He is not a Wikipedian per se, but a football fan, he has released 1000s of photos of women footballers with cc by sa licences. Nomination supported by CARE, Lewes FC and Helen Pankhurst. The point here is to encourage others to publish free images of women, as well as to laud James. Victuallers (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Firming up for September


YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217

NEW - Alphabet run E and F  * Alphabet run E and F ** Event #240:  WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/240 Alphabet run E and F   ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-240

NEW - Writers ** Event 241 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/241 Women writers & their works ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-241

ANNOUNCEMENTS (EVENTS FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * Participate in preparations for our trend-setting contest in November

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: reuse "double the lede" image COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events

,, , , , - very rough draft of to-do list created. I did not assign event numbers. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks . I've added #s and will do draft for Writers #241. Oronsay (talk) 02:30, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Just pointing out that last month we did Refugees instead of a geofocus, but this month we have yet to discuss alternatives, let alone choose one. Oronsay (talk) 06:22, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , I reviewed 241 (writers) and it looks great! --Rosiestep (talk) 11:52, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for drafting Women Writers. Please feel free to suggest a geofocus. I think right now you,, and are the brains and initiative for Geofocus. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:17, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought to change things up on #241 (color) from #ABCDEF to #FF00FF. Feel free to revert if you wish. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:53, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Rosiestep. I've toned it down a touch on #241 – it was a bit too strong for me. Again, revert if not suitable. Also, as I've posted separately, what about a colour change for #240 Alphabet Run E & F? Oronsay (talk) 18:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , oh, I like that (#FF73FF) better! thanks! --Rosiestep (talk) 18:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @WomenArtistUpdates Thanks for doing the E + F Alphabet Run. The background colour is the same for July and August. What about changing it for September? Oronsay (talk) 18:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Good idea . I changed the color for September. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

,, , , , – Do we have anything Announcements to add to the September Invitation? I'm happy with the logo. Do we need to add a Geofocus? If so, please make suggestions. There's still plenty of time to put something together, as WomenArtistUpdates started getting us organised nice and early this month.--Oronsay (talk) 22:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * In regard to announcements, maybe we could mention preparations for our November contest, with a link to the item on the Ideas page. How about "Participate in preparations for our trend-setting contest in November." It would be great if we could find someone ready to handle a grant application.--Ipigott (talk) 08:17, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ,, , , ,  - Okay, this might sound hokey, but what if we did "Alphabet Run Countries" alongside our Alphabet Run Names? Setting aside that we'd have to make up the missed countries beginning with A, B, C, and D at some point, we could start with E and F countries such as: Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Eswatini (fmr. "Swaziland"), Ethiopia, Fiji, Finland, France (accoridng to worldometers.info). There are probably others, especially, maybe defunct countries. Maybe when we get to the U countries, we could do UK one month with A and B countries, and the US the next month with C and D countries. Some benefits of this scheme: we wouldn't have to stress each month regarding geo focus, the editathon template could be copied each month instead of creating from scratch, and within a year or so, we'd cover all the countries of the world. We probably don't have redlists for all countries, but we know enough Wikidata wizards whom we could ask for assistance, especially as they could copy the format from other country redlists. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think we should at least give it a try in September and see if it shows signs of increasing the number of articles per month.--Ipigott (talk) 08:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * My inclination is to leave the number of events for September as they are now with no additions. Writers is generally popular, and folks can pursue their other areas of interest under 1Day and the alpha run. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:49, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds okay to me. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:15, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello all! @Ipigott, @Oronsay, @Rosiestep, @WomenArtistUpdates, @CT55555, @Victuallers - apologies for not replying sooner - I've been away on holiday and just got back last night! I'm happy to skip a geofocus this month, no worries. I think a future alphabet run is a good idea, but I wonder whether it might be good to start a a countryxcountry one in Jan - I'm thinking it might be less confusing, as the names one would be halfway through? I'm happy to take a look at the exisiting suggestions and come up with some ideas for geofocus' for the rest of the year, if that's helpful? Lajmmoore (talk) 07:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , makes sense. JFYI, m:Wikipedia Asian Month is in November. Hope we can support it? --Rosiestep (talk) 14:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , Sounds good to me too. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:36, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Rosiestep & everyone else - what about using Asia as the focus for the last months of the year (Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec)? I found this link which discusses the five regions of Asia: West (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, Oman, Yemen, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia), Central (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan), South (Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bhutan, Nepal, Iran, and the Maldives), East (China, Mongolia, North Korea, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Macau) and South east (Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Timor Leste, and Vietnam). Perhaps combining two regions (like central and east) together? Lajmmoore (talk) 17:10, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , sounds fine to me as that continent's women's biographies and works are under-represented on en-wp. Breaking it up into regions as you have here offers variety. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:21, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me too. The redlists from 178 should be helpful (although not broken into regions which is a nice idea). WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:51, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've changed the invitation: "See also" to "Request for help" and added the words suggested by Ipigott. Please amend as desired.--Oronsay (talk) 20:32, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Mass messaging
I can do this month's mass message again, but I am away 27-29 August. Shall I aim to email on 30th? Lajmmoore (talk) 07:31, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * - Thanks! The invitation needs a second pair of eyes. It looks fine to me. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed the invitation and it is good to go! --Rosiestep (talk) 02:24, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Good job! Many thanks. Oronsay (talk) 02:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Annual September initiative - Writers

 * with WP:WPWW

Geofocus
Suggestion, again on the theme of who might be under represeted: Immigrant, refugee, and stateless women, and women from non recognised states. (e.g. Tibet, Rohnigya) CT55555 (talk) 14:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Refugees, as per User:CT5555's suggestions Lajmmoore (talk) 22:26, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! (also its five fives, but I watch this page anyway and still caught this.) CT55555 (talk) 22:28, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @CT55555 @Lajmmoore Any ideas on a red list? How do we find these women?--Oronsay (talk) 03:47, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll give this thought. My starting point would be all the national UNHCR websites. I'll reply soon with a better answer. CT55555 (talk) 04:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've started here, but if there is a better place to put this, please say:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT55555/sandbox/NotableRefugees CT55555 (talk) 12:59, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey @CT55555 I would move the list from your sandbox to a destination like WikiProject Women in Red/Refugees - and then add it to the area on the lists page for Special Focus Areas. How does that sound to you? Once you've done that I'll start an event page (or you can, I usually just copy/paste an old one that's similar to the redlink above). Thanks so much for providing incentive for this list/theme! Lajmmoore (talk) 21:32, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I moved it to that page, added a link on the Special Focus Area, I'm at the limit of my editing skills here, and would be happy if you can create the event page. Caveat: my list relies heavily on UNHCR sources, maybe not sufficiently independent, so the usual caveats that they are not necessarily notable are relevant. CT55555 (talk) 21:50, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

==Annual: Interwiki Women Collaboration==
 * meta:interwiki Women Collaboration 2022. This year, the collaboration is focused around UEFA Women's Euro 2022., is this the same sports event that CARE is focused on? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh yes! I will mention this. Victuallers (talk) 15:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Firming up for October


YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217

NEW - Alphabet run G and H  * Alphabet run G and H   ** Event #242:  WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/242 Alphabet run G and H   ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-242

NEW - Women in STEM | Ada Lovelace Day ** Event 243 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/243 Women in STEM | Ada Lovelace Day ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-243

NEW - Geofocus West Asia (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, Oman, Yemen, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia) ** Event 244 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/244 Geofocus | West Asia ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-244

ANNOUNCEMENTS (EVENTS FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * Women in Green October "Wildcard Edition" Good Article editathon

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: reuse "Ada Lovelace Day 2022" COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events }

,, , , , , and anyone else who wants to help out - very rough draft of to-do list created. Geofocus for the rest of the year suggested by Lajmmoore - the four regions of Asia. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Plenty of offerings. Looks like a nice line-up. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:45, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll get started on the Alphabet Run.--Oronsay (talk) 09:33, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Good idea to have the countries of west Asia, several of which have been in the news.--Ipigott (talk) 09:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll get started on Women in STEM. Last year there was a separate edithon for Ada Lovelace Day. If someone knows if this is happening in 2022 link up to 243 WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * New Zealanders are holding a Women in STEAM Edit-a-thon on 8 October. I will alert them to our project page for #243. There may well be other events planned around the world. Oronsay (talk) 21:23, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll start the Geofocus now so others can then chip in. Oronsay (talk) 19:13, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

,, , , , and other helpers – the new pages, invitation etc for October are now ready for checking.--Oronsay (talk) 21:07, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Alphabet Run looks good. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:34, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Everything looks good to me. Perhaps we should remove "Press about the event" from our meetup pages until such time as there is actually a press report which needs to be included. Even Climate and #1day1woman which have been running all year have nothing to report. Furthermore, our main WiR page has a section on Press which should contain all relevant press coverage.--Ipigott (talk) 06:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I commented out the "Press about the event" sections. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I made a small fix on the Invitation. --Rosiestep (talk) 10:49, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry, am a little bit of a break just now. All the best. CT55555 (talk) 14:43, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Pinging and   to look at the Geofocus page please. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello @WomenArtistUpdates & @Oronsay thanks so much for putting the events together - I should be able to help more in October. I'm happy to do the Mass Messaging again too. West Asia looks good to me, but I don't know how to check templates. Thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 11:31, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , The way I check a template is by clicking on the link and confirming that I've landed on the correct page. Oronsay (talk) 18:59, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ,, , , I think all the pages and templates are correct. Would Rosie or Ian give Lajmmoore a thumbs up to send out? Also, while we are all in the planning mode, I suggest we scrap the November idea of a Major contest to improve WiR participation. Pinging , , , , , who kindly took the time to reply to request for feedback. I don't think there has been any enthusiasm in the greater WiR community for this activity. Let's decide no or no-go before October. Thanks WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:11, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I must say your suggestion that the contest should be cancelled comes as quite a surprise. I had welcomed your own constructive suggestions and was keen to put them into practice. If we don't go ahead with the contest, then I think we urgently need to come up with some other means of attracting more participation, both on the part of our current contributors and by attracting new ones. At the moment, we seem to be running a serious risk of failing in our ambition to increase the proportion of women's biographies. Up to now, the evolving figures for this month are even more disappointing than those for July and August. But if you are no longer enthusiastic, then we should probably drop it. Nevertheless, I would be interested in hearing the reactions of the others you have been pinging and indeed anyone else reading this page. Perhaps your suggestion should also be posted on the main WiR talk page as we have already mentioned the contest there.--Ipigott (talk) 17:56, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have some concerns about running a competition in December, when everyone is spending more time with friends and family for the "holiday season" and we are enjoying our long summer evenings in the Southern Hemisphere.
 * I feel we should be discussing whether we should have a year-long initiative and, if so, on what topic. This year we chose Climate and to date we have logged only 108 articles, whereas #1day1woman has 1,569, averaging 174 per month. I appreciate that this discussion should be continued on the WiR Talk page but preferred to raise it here first. Oronsay (talk) 19:49, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * While it would have been interesting to apply your tallying system, it's really not essential. I would be happy to run the contest myself as I have in the past using manual counting. In the light of what you say, it might be sensible to run the contest for one month only in November. Like you, many contributors will probably have difficulty in participating at the end of December. I agree with you that we should soon start developing ideas for a year-long topic for 2023. Have you seen there is a new "go no-go" section under "Major contest to improve WiR participation" in the November discussion below. I just happened to notice it myself.--Ipigott (talk) 20:05, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Annual October initiative - STEM

 * with Ada Lovelace Day (the second Tuesday of October. This year Oct 11, 2022)

Notice re: Women in Green GA editathon?
Hello all -- Women in Green is planning a "Wildcard Edition" GA editathon for the month of October (our last event of the year). Event page is all set up and ready to go. Would it be possible to list it in the WiR newsletter again? Thanks, Alanna the Brave (talk) 22:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I added it to our draft "Announcements" section. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Geofocus Asia Part 1
copied from August discussion WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * What about using Asia as the focus for the last months of the year (Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec)? I found this link which discusses the five regions of Asia: West (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, Oman, Yemen, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia), Central (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan), South (Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bhutan, Nepal, Iran, and the Maldives), East (China, Mongolia, North Korea, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Macau) and South east (Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Timor Leste, and Vietnam). Perhaps combining two regions (like central and east) together? Lajmmoore (talk) 17:10, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , sounds fine to me as that continent's women's biographies and works are under-represented on en-wp. Breaking it up into regions as you have here offers variety. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:21, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me too. The redlists from 178 should be helpful (although not broken into regions which is a nice idea). WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:51, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Firming up for November


YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217

NEW - Alphabet run I & J * Alphabet run I & J   ** Event #245:  WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/245 Alphabet run I & J   ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-245

NEW - Geofocus Central and Southern Asia - Central (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan), South (Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bhutan, Nepal, Iran, and the Maldives) ** Event 246 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/246 Geofocus | Central and Southern Asia ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-246

NEW - Women in Education ** Event 247 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/247 Women in Education ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-247

ANNOUNCEMENTS (EVENTS FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * Wikipedia Asian Month November Wikipedia Asian Month/2022

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: WIR Persia?

COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events

,, , , , , and anyone else who wants to help out - very rough draft of to-do list created. Oronsay suggested Women in Education which could be fun. I see at least one redlist. Last one on the listfor November, so easily dropped if no interest. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it's a nice line-up. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's good to see we are following up on 's suggestion to focus on Women in Education. While I think we should encourage coverage in all the various aspects. it might be useful to take into account some of the ideas expressed in connection with discussion of the year-long topic for 2023, such as better coverage of those who have contributed to the field of education (sometimes referred to as educationalists). is probably best placed to develop the meetup page (if that doesn't conflict with her other responsibilities). As for our geofocus, given the rather modest interest shown in this month's Asian focus, now that we are addressing highly populated countries such as India and Pakistan, it might be useful to encourage participation on those country's wikiprojects. I can help with this unless others are interested in this kind of promotion.--Ipigott (talk) 12:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry,, but while I wear another hat, it cannot be me. Rosiestep (talk) 14:26, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * But maybe,, you can tell us here whether you agree with this approach and we can then work things into the meetup page.--Ipigott (talk) 14:38, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , I think it would be nice to keep the focus broad. I'm not sure about using the word "educationalist"; someone else can decide on that. Rosiestep (talk) 15:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Then we'll keep it as broad as possible and avoid the work "educationalist" (which I don't like either).--Ipigott (talk) 15:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll have a crack at Women in Education first, using WIR-127 to help me. I'll also look at WIR-34 and will welcome everyone's input to improve it.--Oronsay (talk) 18:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * With Wikipedia Asian Month running in November, there might be more participation for the geofocus because of that crossover.Penny Richards (talk) 14:31, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll get started on Alphabet run I & J. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Starting the Geofocus now. Oronsay (talk) 18:42, 25 October 2022 (UTC)


 * ,, , , , All the pages have been drafted and are now ready for fresh eyes and final checking before the invitation is broadcast. I've also re-run the SPARQL redlists and most did get updated.--Oronsay (talk) 19:59, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Geofocus Central and Southern Asia and Women in Education look good to me. Fresh eyes needed for the others. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:02, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and, for working on all of these. They all look fine to me.--Ipigott (talk) 06:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe that a discussion approved use of the Persian logo, so we just need the Invitation and Event pages to be OK-ed. I can't help with this as have worked on both. Oronsay (talk) 06:50, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Everything checks out fine on the invitation so I've marked it as 'ok'. Thank you, and . --Rosiestep (talk) 09:38, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Great!, would you have time to do the mass mailing sometime soon? Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Done! Thanks so much for sorting out the pages @Oronsay & @WomenArtistUpdates - sorry I wasn't able to help in time! Thanks to all the second pairs of eyes too! Lajmmoore (talk) 17:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @Lajmmoore, for answering the mass messaging call. Oronsay (talk) 20:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Geofocus
Part II - Central and Southern Asia

copied from August discussion WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * What about using Asia as the focus for the last months of the year (Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec)? I found this link which discusses the five regions of Asia: West (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, Oman, Yemen, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia), Central (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan), South (Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bhutan, Nepal, Iran, and the Maldives), East (China, Mongolia, North Korea, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Macau) and South east (Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Timor Leste, and Vietnam). Perhaps combining two regions (like central and east) together? Lajmmoore (talk) 17:10, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , sounds fine to me as that continent's women's biographies and works are under-represented on en-wp. Breaking it up into regions as you have here offers variety. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:21, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me too. The redlists from 178 should be helpful (although not broken into regions which is a nice idea). WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:51, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

See also (Wikipedia Asian Month 2022)

Women in Education
As we have decided to delay the competition until 2023 and given that Education was runner-up for the year-long initiative, do we want to make it our third offering for November, along with the Alphabet Run and Geofocus?--Oronsay (talk) 20:48, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Choice from Instagram suggestions
See ideas that came from social media followers here Lajmmoore (talk) 15:05, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

go or no-go
State your preference here:
 * no-go WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:12, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * no-go for now, but only because I don't see consensus or energy coalescing around a firm plan for exactly how it should happen. But if it does go, I'll probably still join in. Penny Richards (talk) 17:28, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * go We have had no difficulty in arranging similar contests in the past and they have produced good results. If WomenArtistUpdates is reluctant to handle it, I would be happy to do so myself. I also think the idea of cancelling it before October is premature. In the light of discussions under October, I suggest limiting the contest to just one month in November.--Ipigott (talk) 20:08, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * go, but only a simpler version: a one-month virtual meetup in November, a group goal of 1000 articles, and barnstars as participation rewards. Looking at the earlier threads about planning this contest, I think part of why the energy petered out was because it was starting to feel a little too immediately complex (i.e., grant applications, larger event scale). I think it can work if we keep it straightforward. If I can assist with setting things up or promoting, please let me know. Alanna the Brave (talk) 14:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That sounds very reasonable, . Over the next week or two, I'll try to put together a simple presentation of the contest for November only. You might also be interested in the discussion on the main WIR talk page where we are discussing "Topic for year-long focus in 2023".--Ipigott (talk) 13:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Following discussions on the talk pages of Rosiestep and WomenArtistUpdates, we are hoping to organize a contest for November and December as an incentive to increase contributions to Women in Red. Action along these lines seems important as in recent months the proportion of women's biographies has not been increasing as much as we might hope. Given the interest in #1day1woman and in the Alphabet Run, the contest would be open to all, would cover all areas of interest, and would target adequately referenced biographies and articles about women and their works of at least 200 words of running text. There would be prizes (barnstars) for those successfully creating 5, 10, 20 or 30 new articles per month. As the idea is to encourage as many contributors as possible, there will be no special award for the maximum number of articles created as this approach tends to favour interest from a relatively small number of contestants. If preparations are successful, we would be able to publicize the contest in mid-October on pertinent wikiprojects and related Wikimedia sites as well as on the social networks. has kindly offered to help monitoring of the contest by installing the tool used in connection with 100 DC Women. Reactions and further suggestions are welcome as we are keen to make the contest as effective as possible. In particular, we are looking for a powerful contest name to attract wide attention.--Ipigott (talk) 09:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


 * How many fresh faces do you expect to attract to the contest giving just barnstars? What we need is a mechanism to attract a lot of new contributors, and stop relying on the usual names who are part of the project to produce the content. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, in the absence or scarcity of in-person editathons, it's probably harder to bring in new editors. I like helping new editors and I'd be glad for the push and support to do that more virtually. I wonder if a "pairs challenge" would work: points awarded for the joint efforts of new/veteran editors working in collaboration on new articles? It would no doubt be difficult to administer, but if we had a buddy board for finding someone to pair up with for a particular article, I'd join that on the veteran side. Penny Richards (talk) 17:18, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's great you are still following our activities,, after your phenomenal efforts in connection with the World Contest five years ago. As you know, given WMF's preferences for funding diversity including third-world languages, there is not much we can expect them to do in support of women's biographies on the EN wiki. Your friend has suggested that we might be able to attract new contributors by addressing the academic community. In the absence of funding, I wonder if in addition to barnstars, etc., we should investigate recognition of participation such as postcards. In any case, I would welcome any other constructive ideas here.--Ipigott (talk) 18:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi all, I had a couple of thoughts about attracting contest participants: (1) In Dr. Blofeld's World Contest, I remember there being a lot of collective energy. While some of it might have been prize-related, I think having a clear, meaningful group goal (e.g., 2500 articles in 30 days) also had a really significant impact. Anyone can contribute towards a group goal, and it helps boost a feeling of community and overall buzz for the event. Visible metrics are great too (the GAN Backlog Drives use progress metrics to good effect). (2) Perhaps we could ask each WiR member participating in the contest to invite at least one other Wikipedia editor from outside WiR? Encourage personal one-on-one invites. Sometimes these can be more effective than mass invites. Alanna the Brave (talk) 20:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, for these useful comments. Do you think 2500 articles over 30 days would be an achievable target without prizes? Perhaps we could set visible markers at 100, 200, 300, etc., in the hope we can reach 1000. Your idea of inviting each participant to find a new contributor is interesting too. To see if it is feasible, we could of course follow something along these lines in connection with other events such as Writers or Scientists.--Ipigott (talk) 06:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ipigott -- I think it would be tough to reach 2500 without replicating something on the scale of the World Contest, but I could believe 1000 articles in 30 days is doable with enough participants, even without cash prizes (it would require a group average of about 33 articles per day). Having progress markers along the way is a good plan, and it probably would be wise to test out that one-on-one recruitment method beforehand. Alanna the Brave (talk) 12:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If you think it would be useful, I could put together a WIR page on how to increase interest by encouraging members participating in WIR editathons to invite other editors on a one-to-one basis as you suggest. Maybe, , or others would like to comment on this approach. I see that in her Wikimania presentation (see WIR talk}},  also stressed the importance of attracting more contributors.--Ipigott (talk) 14:17, 14 August 2022 (UTC)


 * , I think that WiR's latest Twitter campaign ("Sue"), geared to attract more editors, is just brilliant. Don't know how to gauge whether it attracts more participation, but I heard people praising it at Wikimania festivities in New York City. (cc: ). --Rosiestep (talk) 19:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Twitter came to mind for me as well. With more than 10,000 followers, most must not be editors or at least not regular ones. If there are folks willing to host, maybe a few Wiki-101 sessions could be promoted as a lead-in to participating in the contest (and hopefully converting followers –> new editors –> WiR regulars?) Is there really no money? I thought maybe WiR had a bank account (to which I wish I’d donated 25USD I never collected from a different contest; wonder if it’s too late.) Also aren’t there small grants at least? I remember a US campus group soliciting our input on their application, I’ll try to track down what they were applying for. Even just 100USD or so for the first place winner would be nice so it’s not solely barnstars… As for names, a goal of 1000 new entries might lend itself nicely: One Thousand Wiki Women; #WikiWomen1k; variation thereof… Innisfree987 (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm interested learning more about in the Wiki-101 sessions. My team is have a little conference, probably in Nov (crossing my fingers now for that date) and I've already submitted the idea to have a working session on editing Wiki pages for DEI issues. I'll 100% focus on WIR if this contest is a go. AnnMarie Johnson (talk) 19:59, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Great to hear that "Sue" got a mention (on her second outing). I'm off on holiday for two weeks so that will give me an inner glow. The > 11,000 Twitter followers are 99% not editors but we get inflential support and our work and editors get a moment in it's ephemeral limelight. I'm currently chatting with the expert on Pinwill sisters who I met through my (our?) Flickr account. That article has had picture donations from four stangers and the leading expert is helping to shape the article. Our outreach is important, but not as important as our core activity - which is the reason we do this. Victuallers (talk) 22:09, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If there were to be real prizes for the contest, it seems to me some of those following us on Twitter could be expected to become editors. Maybe when you return from holiday, you could help with a grant application. I've also enjoyed working on the Pinwill sisters. is proving to be a great new editor.--Ipigott (talk) 06:28, 15 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking we should changed the optics on this event slightly. Reading through the various comments and pros and cons, I think we should approach this event as a super-virtual meet-up. We should keep the incentive for barnstars and maybe even final # of article target, but instead of focusing on individual creation of articles, use the landing page as a place for people give positive feedback about fellow contributor's articles and have space to ask questions. It would be a way for those of us who want to mentor to meet up with newish editors who want help. We most definitely should include 's Wikipedia Training in 20 minutes.


 * As mentioned above, it does seem to be the same group of us participating and attracting new editors is tough online, but what if this was a way for the new-ish/semi-regular editors to participate in the WiR community? It seems like many of the WiR regulars migrate over to WiG as it is a natural evolution. Also in the 5 years since the last big event the pickings have gotten slimmer for dead notable women from the 19th and 20th century. I would think the most frequently asked question is "I want to write an article about (Put Name of individual here), she's on a redlist, but is she notable?" and our biggest challenge is writing article about living subjects, especially non-western women. If we could share tips and ideas it would be great.


 * I'd volunteer to assist or evaluate articles on artists, someone else could help on writers, or geographical areas or languages, or science and climate, sports or musicians. (All our prolific sports writers seem to have been banned and we need to fill that gap. Anyone out there?)


 * All the tallying for the event would happen on the Fountain interface page. All the community activity surrounding the event could happen on the event's WiR event page. I'm just throwing out ideas, but my main idea is to expand the activity in WiR as well as getting new articles. Maybe recruit some new "experts" in focus areas. What do you think? Am I reinventing the wheel? Is the whole community idea already covered on the WiR talk page? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:51, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for these interesting ideas. More focus on the virtual potential might indeed help us along. I also think that reporting on the performance/retention of new contributors would be useful. I hope there will be other reactions on your helpful comments.--Ipigott (talk) 18:29, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Applying for a grant for prizes
Here’s the funded grant I was thinking of: m:Grants:Project/Rapid/AlwaysInRed/WPI_Wikipedia_Editing_Community. That’s the full extent of my experience with the Rapid Grants program tho, so I don’t know whether we’d be a good candidate but evidently the grants go up to $5000 which would certainly cover some prizes, if approved. Innisfree987 (talk) 00:11, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It certainly looks as if an application along these lines would be in order. Would you be prepared to put something together?--Ipigott (talk) 06:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * My wiki availability this year has been too hit or miss for me to take responsibility as the applicant of record, but if there’s someone feeling up to the task, I’d be glad to help work up a draft. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * For a start,, we could see if is able to offer some help. Other editors who come to mind include , , , ,  and of course  who might be able to make further suggestions. I would of course also be happy to provide support but do not wish to be involved in submitting a grant application myself.--Ipigott (talk) 12:50, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * FYI, just a note that if we apply to the Rapid grant for November 2022, $500-5,000USD, and we could run for Cycle 5 application terms. Too bad Cycle 4 duedate for application was 1st September 2022. And I am not sure if we as grantees start the granted project on November 23 the earliest, does it match with November WiR window?
 * Cycle 5 : October 15th – November 30th,
 * 23rd November: The earliest start date for Rapid Fund projects in this cycle. The workflow will be;
 * October 15th, 23:59 UTC : the submission deadline of applications.
 * October 30th – 8th November : Applicant receives and engages with feedback of proposal from the community and regional committee; Applicant makes adjustments to their proposal where needed. duration 10 days
 * 9th November-22nd November : Approvals and disbursement : duration 14 days
 * 23rd November : day 1 of the Rapid Fund projects at the earliest.
 * I was translating the meta page into ja, but did not think of dropping a note here... --Omotecho (talk) 18:06, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the details, . So it looks as if the November contest will have to rely on virtual awards although we could (should?) apply for a grant for future contests.--Ipigott (talk) 19:51, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Ipigott, hi, thank you for your insight. Yes, if we submit something by 23:59 1st September, then chances are that the Community Resources team will discuss with us the short comings of our proposal. How does it sound? Is it feasible that biding a very basic/rough idea of November WiR editathon that may fall into the category of Editing events and campaigns: please scan this Guides page on Meta for application details, and as far as I translated, three essential data to input for a proposal are:
 * the title of the event/project we ask funding for,
 * start/end dates, and
 * who is/are the signatory/2nd signatory for the account the fund will be transferred,
 * Another strategy (as they apply in the Grants application) will be if we challenge multiple year funding (like Wiki_meets_Sustainable_Fashion but a boot camp for local organizers). As November WiR editathon is an annual event, my hunch is that it fits to the criteria/metrics for that category as well. However, for the short term, the audition takes longer than 40+days, and we will go virtual prizes in that case.
 * It is already -1 hrs to 00:00 1st September 2022 (UTC), not much hours left to patch up any application from scratch. I've read somewhere on Meta that FY2022-23 sets translation/interpretation a push from among the Movement Strategy Initiatives, so it may indicate more doors are open wider with fatter purse, including funding community projects (or am I too ja minded watching a foundation?
 * My bad too late to inform you about the application details (or allowed me visit WiR after my office hours).
 * I'll try and sort out a model application that we can change details, and somebody could fill in at least those three points as above dagger list. How does it sound? --Omotecho (talk) 00:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I should add that the grants application procedure has been upgraded in many points, ie you submit on off-wiki site your proposal, where up to 20 question sorts out criteria and to-dos, reporting required midterm/project end: consultation with Community Resource team midterm/end of project, but not sure if we run four weeks of November project, do we write reports biweekly??
 * Partnership with non-wiki groups looks easier for me to consider compared to Grants:Projects era IMHO.
 * FYI, The update itself is aimed for visibility what a grantee plans to do (individual/group), and how much fruit that project brought to us global community. Sharing open issues/short comings sounds productive to me, if I forget about feeling of shame endemic to ja ppl. Yes, somebody among global grantee-to-be might refer to those and walk smoother terrain, sort of. -- Omotecho (talk) 02:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all these details. Unfortunately I am going to be tied up most of the day today and in any case have not yet heard from anyone willing to put in a grant application. Unless someone sees this discussion and decides to go ahead, I think we'll have to put it off until some future opportunity.--Ipigott (talk) 07:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ipigott, you are quite thoughtful... No hurry, we have lots of bios to create, and good to sense our work matches to those initiatives, or bundle of opportunities. Nice talking to you, and have a nice day (= Cheers, -- Omotecho (talk) 10:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I hadn't seen this discussion, but just to add that I got in touch with WMUK as per a parallel conversation and they would support a contest financially and with administrative support to share prizes - there is a note about this all here Lajmmoore (talk) 10:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Going ahead for one month in November
In line with the latest discussions on the contest, it now seems we'll be going ahead with a one-month contest in November. , I realize you were not too enthusiastic about it but would you still be prepared to offer your skills with the barnstars as for previous contests? And, would you be able to tailor your tallying system to the contest, now that we are no longer running into the festive season in December? If not, I'll just keep a check on things myself. I think we should try to put together a basic meetup page by mid-October so that we can start publicizing the event. As always, I am of course open to any further suggestions.--Ipigott (talk) 08:47, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No thanks . You can find templates for barnstars at any of the geofocus talk pages from 2021-22.WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * : Thanks for your quick response. I must say I am quite taken aback by your reaction. I really don't know what I might have done to cause you to change your mind after you earlier constructive comments and cannot understand why you are now so opposed to the kind of the contest I had suggested. If any of my earlier comments have unitentionally caused you distress, I can only apologize. I hope we will be able to re-establish more friendly relations again as I really appreciate all you have been doing for Women in Red. In the light of your obviously strong feelings about the contest, I think that together with other contributors, we'll need a day or too to decide if we should go ahead or not. My only intention was to encourage stronger participation but I gather this may not be a priority, at least not along the lines I had proposed. Please don't feel you need to respond to my comments here. I certainly don't want to enter into any kind of prolonged disagreement. In any case, I look forward to your continued involvement in the project and thank you for all you have been doing to support our month-by-month initiatives. Happy editig!--Ipigott (talk) 18:13, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , Sorry you were taken aback. I was willing to work on the contest until it became apparent that there was very little interest from the group in participating, even after you requested help on the main talk page. I thought I was being straightforward with my opinion, and also you stated you would do it if I didn't. I am interesting in being an active member of WiR, just no longer interested in this event. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * My limited understanding of competitions is that they count themselves. I imagine there will be checking required, however, to see that bios meeting the minimum size. As far as I can remember, I have only participated in one, so my experience is limited and I feel ill-qualified to take this on. Oronsay (talk) 01:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * First of all,, I must apologize for believing you were the one who suggested using the tool. I now see that it was in fact . And thank you, , for clarifying your position. Let's give this another day or two to see if there are any further reactions here. I'll then decide whether it's worthwhile preparing a meetup page for November or whether it would be better to follow WAU's initial suggestion that we should wait until January. That would also give time to set up the Fountain tool or explain how we should use it. On the basis of my own experience of Women in Red since it started, I think we should at least offer our contributors the chance to participate in a contest specifically aimed as increasing participation. I think it would help if we incorporated some of the ideas expressed during our discussions, such as 's suggestion that we should provide an award for 100 new articles too - although that might require more than a month. I also liked ' "pairs challenge" to attract new editors and  suggestion that participants should try to encourage at least one editor who is not a member of WiR to join in and that we should be more ambitious, perhaps aiming for as many as 2500 new articles over 30 days. I think someone also suggested we should adopt the tool used by  to measure progress in his challenges. If we leave the contest until January, we could no doubt adopt these ideas and allow the contest to run for more than one month. But if so, we would need to inform everyone that there is no longer to be a contest in November.--Ipigott (talk) 06:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Try asking for a £250 grant from Wikimedia UK. at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Grants You need to do very little to apply. They usually want something which will benefit the UK too, so if you had a big prize for most articles and a prize for most British women bios or something like that, they would likely support it.♦  Dr. Blofeld  11:14, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. : You are familiar with WMUK. Do you think you could handle it or could you recommend someone else who would be prepared to do so?--Ipigott (talk) 15:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Contest delayed until further notice
Given the current problems of membership registration (see main WiR talk page), there seems to be no point in having a contest aimed at wider participation if we are unable to identify new members. Perhaps these problems will have been resolved by the end of the year in which case we may be able to hold the contest in January.--Ipigott (talk) 09:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the update, @Ipigott. All being well, we will be able to launch a two month or longer version of this competition in 2023. Oronsay (talk) 20:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Good to have your support, . I hope we'll be able to sort everything out over the next few weeks.--Ipigott (talk) 05:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Firming up for December
Draft logo for December 2022. Comments welcome. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:36, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I am reluctant to comment negatively, however I have some concerns over black birds (possibly crows) picking over the bones of the dead. Oronsay (talk) 01:48, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks . This morning when I looked at the logo again I can see that the birds are more reminiscent of something vulturesque rather than peaceful spirit birds. I've replaced them with a candle as suggested. It fairly easy for me to swap out elements so feel free to continue to comment. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:51, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I like including a candle for this event. Feels right. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:49, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This convo (draft logo) has sparked my thinking about keeping track of our beautiful, assorted logos. Ergo, see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:49, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

YEAR-LONG INITIATIVES * Climate ** Event #214: Climate ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-214

* #1day1woman 2022 ** Event #217: #1day1woman ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-217

NEW - Alphabet run K & L * Alphabet run K & L  ** Event #248:  WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/248 Alphabet run K & L   ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-248

NEW - Geofocus Southeast Asia - Southeast (Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Timor Leste, and Vietnam) ** Event 249 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/249 Geofocus | Southeast Asia ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-249

NEW - Women who died in 2022 ** Event 250 WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/250 Women who died in 2022 ** Talkpage template: Template:WIR-250

ANNOUNCEMENTS (EVENTS FACILITATED BY OTHERS) * Women in Climate Change Edit-a-thon: 1 December 2022 - 31 January 2023

INVITATION: * WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/2022 ** logo: WIR 2022 deaths

COMING UP: * WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events

TIP OF THE MONTH: * Don't forget to search slight spelling variations of your subject's name, like Katherine/Katharine or Elizabeth/Elisabeth, especially for historical subjects

,, , , , , and anyone else who wants to help out - very rough draft of to-do list created. I added a "Tip of the Month as discussed on the main talk page. Do we wwant this t the top of the invitation or the bottom? I would suggest bold italics at the bottom of the invitation Do we have any announcements of events facilitated by others? Can any of you create a redlist of women who died in 2022? Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Agree with Oronsay on the image. Maybe a candle could be used. In regard to tip of the month, it's a great idea but I think we need to be careful not to make the invitation any bigger. Perhaps we could just include the tip of the month under the announcements as "Tip: Don't forget..." and also place it under announcements on our main WiR page. Maybe there are other suggestions.--Ipigott (talk) 06:47, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @WomenArtistUpdates Thanks for drafting the To Do List. I'm starting a draft of #248. Oronsay (talk) 06:01, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * , I am starting a draft of #250, but will need help with the redlist and other links. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:24, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Nice logo! another contribution - thanks Victuallers (talk) 09:18, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * All pages have been drafted and are now ready for fresh eyes. @Tagishsimon very kindly created the redlist for Women who died in 2022. Oronsay (talk) 05:53, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * new pages are OK to my eyes - still have got to grips with templates though :( Lajmmoore (talk) 11:47, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you !! I think I've got the template documentation completed for the three events. I'll revisit it this evening. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:47, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * ,, , , , It looks like we have worked our way through the to-do list. Two outstanding issues: It looks like we have not identified any non-WiR project to add to our December invitation under ANNOUNCEMENTS (EVENTS FACILITATED BY OTHERS) and I can't tell if there is consensus for TIP OF THE MONTH. To me it looks fine, it doesn't take up too much space (to my eye) and fulfills our desire to include a tip as discussed on the main talk page. I am reluctant to give those items a check mark without ping y'all. To me we are good to go with the December invite. , will you be able to do the mass mail in the near future? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:57, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay, I was on a semi-break. I don't have anything to add here just now, but keep tagging me and I'll keep trying to be helpful. CT55555 (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I looked at December 2021 and found that WiR has an ongoing collaboration with Women in Climate Change, so I've added it above as TBD and changed Invitation status to not ok, pending consensus on adding and added it there awaiting final approval. Oronsay (talk) 17:17, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this useful addition, . I've marked the invitation OK.--Ipigott (talk) 18:12, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * In that case, I've Ok-ed the Announcements and Tip in the above checklist. Can you please broadcast the invitation? Oronsay (talk) 18:25, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I made a tiny wording change in the Tip of the Month section of the Invitation. Otherwise, everything seems fine to me. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:18, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Done! @Oronsay Lajmmoore (talk) 20:55, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Annual December initiative - Women who died in 2022

 * Dec 2022 & Jan 2023

Geofocus Asia Part 3
Part III - Southeast (Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Timor Leste, and Vietnam) and Part IV - for January 2023 East Asia (China, Mongolia, North Korea, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Macau).--Oronsay (talk) 20:11, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Given that we still have two areas, East Asia and Southeast Asia, to cover, I suggest we do Southeast Asia first and hold East Asia over for January to coincide with Chinese New Year. I've been bold and made the change above, but happy to be reverted if others prefer.-Oronsay (talk) 19:16, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Southeast Asia first. The ASEAN countries are currently in the news in connection with the current summit in Phnom Penh and we've been discussing further work on women writers from Southeast Asia.--Ipigott (talk) 06:50, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:39, 18 November 2022 (UTC)