Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009-08-17/Discussion report

Civility
The recent poll on our Civility Policy has been closed and summarised by User:SilkTork. SilkTork noted that: "the majority of people feel the current civility policy is too lenient, and that it is inconsistently applied and unenforceable. Most people feel that civil behaviour applies as much on personal talkpages as elsewhere, and that there are particular problems with civil behaviour on Recent Changes Patrol and Admin Noticeboards. Almost everyone feels we are too harsh on new users, though just over half the people feel that when it comes to experienced users that expectations of behaviour depends on context and the people involved. Most people feel that baiting is under-recognised, although it was noted that it is difficult to recognise baiting, and that people have a choice in how they respond. There was no clear consensus on the use of warnings before blocking, though most feel that the warnings are about right. A number of people feel that everyone should be treated with respect regardless of circumstances, and that being civil does not impede communication. A number of people also feel that experts should be treated like everyone else."

Discussion as to what changes need to be made to reflect the poll has begun. See Wikipedia talk:Civility.

Notability and fiction
Debate has reignited at a request for comment regarding notability and how it applies to fiction. Most participants agree that the community is currently divided on the amount of detail with which Wikipedia should cover fictional topics. There is also support for the view that no consensus exists as to whether articles split from a "parent article" in line with Summary style are part of an overarching topic or become an article on a new and separate topic. However, the correct application of our notability guidance is still under debate. User:WesleyDodds has been making the case for a strict application of the guidance laid out in Notability applying to articles related to fictional topics: "what needs to happens [sic] is we need to stop overrelying on primary sources. This is the biggest problem facing fiction-related articles on Wikipedia, as too many people are more interested in charting chararcter [sic] minutae [sic] instead of trying to explain to the general reader why they should care in the first place."

User:Jinnai countered that Wikipedia:Notability "is not universaly [sic] accepted in its current form so anyone claiming that it has consensus is on shaky ground to begin with." An essay attempting to reflect the dominant views of the request for comment is being drafted at Notability and fiction.

Consensus
A discussion regarding the role of building a consensus on policy pages through editing has been initiated at Wikipedia:Editing policy. The discussion itself was started after a change to the Editing Policy. The contested change saw the removal of text which had been added without discussion. The removed text follows: "However, changes that would alter the substance of policy or guidelines should normally be announced on the appropriate talk page first. The change may be implemented if no objection is made to it or if discussion shows that there is consensus for the change. Major changes should also be publicized to the community in general, as should proposals for new policy pages (see also Policies and guidelines)."

User:Kim Bruning made the change on the 15 August, noting it on the talk page. User:Ched Davis objected to the change, stating: "Changes to a policy page should be discussed on the relevant policy talk page."

Television schedules
An RFC has been opened at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not as to whether or not current television schedules for television networks/stations are appropriate content on Wikipedia. Opening the debate, User:Mark pointed to discussion from April 2008, found in the archives of the village pump. User:Masem commented that "The key factor between being a TV guide and an encyclopedic coverage of what shows a network airs is the fact we do not break this down week-by-week, episode by episode or include one-time events." User:DGG felt that "schedules for individual stations are not generally appropriate. The stations can do it better themselves. The work it would take us to do it correctly should be better spent on writing articles on topics we need to cover--or perhaps improving the plot sections of TV shows." Making the case for "historic block schedules", User:Firsfron argued that "these block schedules are in use in television encyclopedias, and appear frequently in reliable sources (these are available upon request). These national schedules affected (and still effect) millions of viewers each year, and have a major impact on the television industry each fall, especially around Upfront time. Entire books have been written about these schedules"

Polling
A poll has opened to resolve a long-standing and contentious dispute over the names of several articles related to Ireland, most recently dealt with by the ArbCom. Polling is by Single transferable vote / instant-runoff voting; the chosen solution will be enforced for a period of two years. The poll opened on 2 August, but it is unclear when it is to close.

At the village pump, a poll on whether to create a recent changes page for unwatched articles to prevent vandalism by modifying the recent-changes table in MediaWiki is currently open. So far everybody is in full agreement with the idea. The poll opened on the 5 May, but it is unclear how the poll will be closed or how the idea will be implemented.

Deletion roundup
Your writer has trawled the deletion debates opened and closed in the last week and presents these debates for your edification. Either they generated larger than average response, centred on policy in an illuminating way, or otherwise just jumped out as of interest. Feel free to suggest interesting deletion debates for future editions here.


 * Are Wikipedia editors allowed to place quotes from copyright protected texts upon their user pages? See the full debate sparked by User:Jack Merridew/Blood and Roses at Miscellany for deletion

Articles

 * After an existence of four years, the article Dancing Banana was deleted after a third debate, Articles for deletion/Dancing Banana (3rd nomination)
 * User:Spartaz suspended the close of Articles for deletion/Shek Mun Estate on 15 August for one week to allow for wider discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong
 * Australasia (Australia and New Zealand) has been nominated for deletion by User:Bosonic dressing as a potential point-of-view fork, with consensus split over whether to rewrite or delete
 * A group nomination of articles believed by User:BrentonRyan to be "patently false/nonexistent releases by the band Celldweller" failed to receive any discussion despite being open for a week
 * A third deletion debate centring upon how Wikipedia is not a crystal ball applies to Korn's ninth studio album has been opened
 * The notability of the articles on Isola (fictional island), Princess Maria Adelgunde of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen and Cheryl Rubenberg is being discussed in respective deletion debates
 * A second debate is under way as to how to handle information regarding "A Place With No Name", an unreleased but leaked song by singer/songwriter Michael Jackson
 * Procedural errors have led to the restoration and relisting of the article African admixture in Europe

Categories

 * A second deletion review has been opened regarding Category:Scottish surnames
 * Should Category:Books made into films be kept, deleted, merged or renamed?
 * Should we rename Category:Northern Irish association football clubs to Category:Association football clubs of Northern Ireland? See debate
 * A deletion debate centres on whether Category:Communist genocide is endemic of a point of view

Files, templates, redirects and stubs

 * File:1Comp obwSambor inspecDrohobycz Burza3.jpg is generating debate as to how it meets non-free usage criteria
 * Do Vogue cover navigational templates constitute page clutter?
 * Is an acceptable redirect to Equador, Rio Grande do Norte? See debate
 * A deletion debate regarding the bartending-stub has been open since 28 May

Briefly

 * Although it has been agreed to rename Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents to Requests for administrator assistance, discussion as to how to actually perform the move has floundered, resulting in a loss of impetus. See debate.
 * The policy status of a section in Naming conflict regarding self-identifying terms has been under discussion since 22 July, with no consensus reached as yet.
 * The debate regarding Naming conflict has ramifications for the Naming conventions policy. These ramifications are now being discussed here.

Requests for comment
35 Requests for comment have been made this week:


 * Talk:Dan Debicella – 17 Aug
 * Talk:Transitional fossil – 17 Aug
 * Talk:Office Open XML – 17 Aug
 * Talk:Parental alienation syndrome – 17 Aug
 * Talk:Bruce Lee – 15 Aug
 * Talk:Trans-Neptunian object – 14 Aug
 * Wikipedia talk:Files for deletion – 14 Aug
 * Talk:Preamble to the United States Constitution/text – 13 Aug
 * Talk:Communist genocide – 13 Aug
 * Requests for comment/Noloop – 12 Aug
 * Talk:Megan Fox – 11 Aug
 * Talk:Harriet Harman – 10 Aug
 * Talk:Violet Blue (author) – 17 Aug
 * Talk:Evolution as theory and fact – 17 Aug
 * Template talk:OutlawMotorcycleGroups – 17 Aug
 * Talk:Montefiore Windmill – 16 Aug
 * Talk:Hrithik Roshan – 15 Aug
 * Talk:Glenn Beck – 14 Aug
 * Talk:Outrageous Betrayal – 13 Aug
 * Talk:Views of Lyndon LaRouche – 13 Aug
 * Talk:El Cid – 12 Aug
 * Talk:IB Diploma Programme – 12 Aug
 * Talk:List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming – 10 Aug
 * Wikipedia talk:External links – 10 Aug
 * Talk:Vivek Kundra – 17 Aug
 * Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/About – 17 Aug
 * Talk:Haaretz – 16 Aug
 * Talk:Alan Greenspan – 15 Aug
 * Talk:Jay Brannan – 14 Aug
 * Talk:Modern liberalism in the United States – 13 Aug
 * Talk:Ian Plimer – 13 Aug
 * Talk:Autism Every Day – 12 Aug
 * Talk:Pulp Fiction (film) – 11 Aug
 * Talk:Southern Baptist Convention Conservative Resurgence/Fundamentalist Takeover – 10 Aug
 * Requests for comment/Keepscases – 10 Aug