Wikipedia talk:April Fools' Main Page/Did You Know/Archive 1

Thanks
I thank editor Kevin McE for good questions regarding John Rainwater and Peter Orno. Both articles were written quickly by me, and have had few edits from other editors. Kevin's questions have directly led to clarifications and corrections, which I should have made earlier....

Also thanks are due to Orlady who has done great work copy-editing Peter Orno.

Best regards, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 18:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Mathematical pseudonyms: Peter Orno and John Rainwater
Hi!

The Peter Orno and John Rainwater DYKs have been approved since last April. Revised versions have been copyedited extensively the last month.

They should have priority over the non-April Fools hooks now filling the queues, imho.

Thanks!

Sincerely, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 11:38, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Channing Tatum...
If anyone is interested, Bunheads recently had an episode entitled "Channing Tatum Is a Fine Actor". I don't know about you, but I see potential for a fish day DYK there! A.V. Club review here. Miyagawa (talk) 22:29, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Busoni
His birthday is 1 April, the hook reads almost like the typical AF,- I hope it can be included: Template:Did you know nominations/Concerto for Piano and String Quartet (Busoni) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion on Main Page affecting April Fools Day Tradition
There is a discussion on the Main Page relative to the April Fools Day tradition that would affect this page--- Balloonman  Poppa Balloon 00:50, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Easter in 2018
This year, April Fool's Day is Easter Sunday, - should that be mentioned somewhere on the page? Will we still have slots for Easter-related subjects? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't worry Gerda, I already have a hook written specifically for Easter already for it.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 10:39, 13 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I am planning one, or two, depending on the answer here. If we have three slots, I don't feel I should occupy two of them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Gosh, if only I'd known, I'd have worked up some hook like that Hillary's political ambitions are being resurrected? Just kidding. Since I'm here, I've been asking around informally about a follow-on idea to the famous Trump/Russia hook. How about we run a companion hook in the second slot:
 * ... that Hillary's portrait is now being printed on some $5 bills?
 * Wouldn't that be a hoot? EEng 15:57, 13 February 2018 (UTC)


 * So with the latest addition to the list for this year's 4/1, I'm hoping now to have the following run together:
 * ... that Trump is directly connected to Russia (map pictured)?
 * ... that Hillary's portrait is now being printed on some $5 bills?
 * ... that Obama was born in Japan?
 * The only significant work needed to achieve this zenith of hooking achievement is to bring Edmund Hillary to GA. Comments, please. EEng 01:41, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Trump and Obama get the tick from me. Are you planning on sending Hillary to GAN, usually you've got a six month delay on that kind of thing....? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:41, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I twisted someone's arm to get him to agree to GA-review it. I was just waiting for you to give it a going over before nominating. Does it have the TRM seal of approval? EEng 20:57, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm cool with Hillary, the article is probably a GA, but the claim "In 1992 Hillary appeared on the updated New Zealand $5 note, thus making him the only living person not a current head of state ever to appear on a New Zealand banknote" doesn't seem commensurate with "is now being printed on some $5 bills?". It's definitely true that Kiwis are spending Hillary dollars, but this needs explicit refs.  The Rambling Man (talk) 22:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks, Mr. . I've added a ref showing that the Hillary $5 is still the current $5 bill in circulation, but one could quibble with the assertion that Hillary's portrait is now being printed i.e. maybe they only print them every January or something, so they're not "now" being printed. I think "being printed" can be taken as meaning they've been printed in the past, are still the current design, and (presumably) will be printed in future. What do you think? The quibbling could be sidestepped by saying "is now on some $5 bills", but I much prefer "is now being printed on some $5 bills". Do you think the sourcing covers the hook as stated? Luckily the hook detail doesn't come up until the DYK review, so I'll go ahead with the GA nom now. EEng 01:26, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , I'd still like your opinion on the "now" point. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 17:36, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * sorry for not getting back to you on this. Would you consider "Hillary's portrait features on $5 bills" or "Hillary's portait has been printed on $5 bills"?  Both are indisputable but perhaps not so snappy.... 17:51, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Definitely not as good ... "is getting printed" perhaps? Gatoclass (talk) 17:57, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "Is getting printed" really sounds like it's imminent but not yet actually happened. "features on" sounds like something that's been around a while, and "has been printed" sounds like something in the past that may or may not continue. The beauty of "is now being printed" is that it implies that it's something quite new, so the reader is more likely to think it's a surprising new development that he, personally, for some reason hasn't yet heard about. That present progressive tense, along with the it's-just-started-very-recently flavor of "now" is what I'm trying to preserve. Ideas on other ways to achieve this are most welcome. To be clear, in case my post just above didn't make it clear, the Hillary bills have been NZ's $5 note since 1992, and continue to be. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 19:17, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "Is printed" might be a clean solution. --Slashme (talk) 08:15, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * We still also need to get Christ the Lord Is Risen Today reviewed.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 11:38, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Back to Easter and AFD: What about running three sets of eight hooks each—two sets will be April Fools sets and one set will have the Easter hooks and other "regular" DYK hooks? Yoninah (talk) 22:47, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think we should not keep the topics separate, - a given reader will perhaps look only once, and should see one Easter hook. Perhaps in the quirky position, because that day it will be unusual to not be quirky? I had a Bach cantata on Halloween twice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Lead hooks for 2018
We currently have 15 hooks for April Fools - almost enough for two sets, and there is at least one other nomination I've seen not yet nominated here which would make it two sets, so we need two lead images. From the current selection I would suggest the squirrel hook for one lead and the Woodside hook for the other, because all the other images IMO act like spoilers for their hooks. Gatoclass (talk) 14:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't forget that a long discussion last month settled on:


 * ALT6A: ... that Trump is directly connected to Russia (map pictured)?
 * The image is an essential part of that hook. See above for more. I'm about to make the Hillary nomination -- just waiting for GA approval. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 14:33, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Isn’t the image a spoiler for the hook? Mramoeba (talk) 15:13, 20 March 2018 (UTC) *edit: Ok, long discussion preceded, I won’t get involved. Mramoeba (talk) 15:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You need to read the discussion. We have some fraidy cats who worried that it might be a BLP violation without the map to set the record straight right away. The reader still gets the fun of realizing it's not what it seems when he sees the map. And see the earlier part of this main thread (above) for the trio of hooks I have in mind to run together. So there's plenty of political fun to go around. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 17:19, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked at the discussion yet, but I agree with Mramoeba that the map is a major spoiler. But if there was a concern that the hook would violate NPOV without the map, I think that will not be the case if it's run together with the Obama hook and the Hillary one. Gatoclass (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Heaven forfend we poke fun at a blameless individual. How about “Hillary’s on the money” haha. We should have Robert Bartholomew’s image as he’s clearly not in hysterics, although I would say that as it was my article. Mramoeba (talk) 17:48, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that the three hooks together should eliminate any possible worry about political bias, but we had such a hard time getting to yes already that I hesitate to ping everyone back for ANOTHER discussion. Well, let's stew on it a while. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 19:09, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with where EEng said that editors here should read the earlier discussions, and I disagree with the "fraidy cat" characterization. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:47, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I was going to suggest Trump (dog) - see Template:Did you know nominations/Trump (dog). There is a nice detail from a Hogarth painting, or the full satirical engraving.  I'll let you decide whether to use it or not.  Perhaps there is too much trumpery already.  Theramin (talk) 23:57, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That certainly has potential but I think you'll agree that the hook
 * ... that Hogarth depicted Trump urinating on Churchill's Epistle?
 * lacks the punch of the Trump hook we've already got, at least in that particular form. We could probably work it into something about a golden shower but, seriously, I don't think there will be time to tamp down the ensuing controversy. Well, here's a thought:
 * ... that there is picture of Trump urinating on Churchill?
 * No, no... It'll never fly. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 04:10, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, if you don't like The Bruiser, how about one of the new ALTs? Theramin (talk) 23:08, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Still looking for a reviewer. In_the_news includes NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament on the list of topics of sufficient interest to be placed on WP:ITN every time they occur. Thus, we know that the 2018 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament is presumed to be a subject of widespread appeal and interest to our main page readers. I am proposing a DYK nom that needs a reviewer (Template:Did you know nominations/Jordan Poole), but that would be a very intriguing lead hook because of the appeal of the subject matter and the newsiness of the subject that will be in the news cycle on our April Fools Day main page celebration. The national semifinals will be occuring and in the news cycle during our April Fools Day.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:11, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * If we are still struggling for lead hooks, we could maybe use the image of Hitler in Hitler-Ransomware or possibly even File:Jesus appears to his disciples after he has risen.jpg with Christ the Lord Is Risen Today. I'm just throwing these out there as options and don't really have a strong opinion either way. At the moment we have 16 approved hooks (I don't mind if we run Fly Fishing: Memories of Angling Days later on as that has yet to be approved) so there is enough for a April Fools Day 2x8 day.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 09:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Quick straw poll on faux politician trio
The community previously had an extended discussion on whether or not the "Trump Street" hook, namely ... that Trump is directly connected to Russia?, was appropriate or not. It was eventually decided the hook would be acceptable to run as an April Fools hook, so long as it was accompanied by the map (at right) showing that the reference was to streets rather than politicians.

Since then, two additional faux politician hooks have been added to the April Fools sets, on "Hillary" and "Obama", so that we now have three such hooks, as follows:


 * ... that Trump is directly connected to Russia (map pictured)?
 * ... that Hillary's portrait is now being printed on some $5 bills?
 * ... that Obama was born in Japan?

As noted in the preceding discussion, the addition of two more faux politician hooks pertaining to the "other side" of the political spectrum in effect neutralizes any suggestion of political bias that might have arisen by running the Trump hook alone as originally intended. In short, the inclusion of the map to accompany the Trump hook is arguably no longer necessary.

The objection to the inclusion of the map is that it acts as a "spoiler" on the joke, which is to mislead the reader into thinking the subject of the hook is Trump the politician rather than Trump the street name. Moreover, since the hook set will now include two additional faux politician hooks, the map is going to act as a spoiler to those hooks as well since essentially the same joke is employed in each. Arguably it's going to spoil the entire April Fools set since almost all the hooks rely on misleading the reader into jumping to the wrong conclusion about the subject of the hook.

Given that the situation has changed since the original poll was taken with the addition of the other two faux politician hooks, I thought it would be worthwhile at this point to retest community consensus on the issue. I am therefore paging all users who participated in the previous discussions, though of course anybody else is welcome to participate in this discussion. Time is very much of the essence here as there is less than a week to April Fools Day, so I strongly encourage participants to !vote on one or other of the alternatives presented below rather than raise new alternatives, which we are clearly unlikely to have time to debate. I have nonetheless added a "Comments" section for anybody who cares to make other suggestions.

Re-pinging as the original ping apparently didn't work:

And adding an extra line of text to try and ensure the ping triggers.

Paging the following users: Gatoclass (talk) 07:06, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Straw poll

 * Please add your support !vote to your preferred option below. Since this poll is an either/or choice, please do not add "oppose" !votes to the other option. If you want to emphasize an oppose, just include that in your support statement for your preferred option to try and keep this poll orderly, thank you.

Proposal 1: Run the Trump hook without the image to avoid the spoiler effect, but together with the other two faux politician hooks to ensure neutrality.

 * Support As proposer. Gatoclass (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support I had the same idea, but was hesitant to reopen the whole question, which had so fatigued everyone last month. With the image dropped these three hooks would no longer lead the set, so I'd like to suggest that they therefore come at the end of the set, and that the order be reversed, like this:
 * ... that Obama was born in Japan?
 * ... that Hillary's portrait is now being printed on some $5 bills?
 * ... that Trump is directly connected to Russia?
 * (Gatoclass, if you agree about the order please modify your OP to reflect that.) <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 12:16, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , I think I prefer the original order, but this is a side issue that I think we can address within a day or two of April Fools Day. Set order is generally something that is determined at the last minute anyhow, it doesn't generally need that much discussion, and I'd like this discussion to stay focused on the original question. Gatoclass (talk) 12:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I should have kept my mouth shut on that, you're right order doesn't really matter, but I'd still like them to come last in the set (whatever the particular order among the three). We'll worry about that later. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 15:20, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Support and prefer T-H-O. Mramoeba (talk) 13:10, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose very strongly. (By the way, the ping did not work because there were so many editors listed. I came here from EEng's note at his talk page.) Keep it as is, with the map and with the original T-H-O order. Spoiler? Oh, boo-hoo. Even with the map, it's still plenty attention-getting, and the humorous effect still works. If you want to be a comedian, go work a comedy club. Wikipedia is still an encyclopedia; this will be on the main page; and WP:BLP remains in effect on April 1. There is a fundamental difference between the Trump hook and the other two: the Trump hook, if taken at face value, seems to confirm allegations of a history-making crime. Wikipedia has no business doing that. And to do it for the giggles would be worse. There was a lengthy discussion (and that's putting it mildly) simultaneously at multiple pages when that hook was being devised. This was the solution that was arrived at, tortuously. Leave it. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:40, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - I think it's funny!! I like O-H-T for chronology, but either way works. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme 📞📧 02:24, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose. We probably avoid any political bias issue here with the trio but I still like the map so that we keep the Trump hook at the top (to do so it needs to be the hook with the image, and the trio is going to look better at the top of the DYK list on April 1). Also I don't want to dredge this damn thing up all over again (we already had several discussions about it for crying out loud and Tryptofish's comment above emphasises that opinions have not changed). It seems like most are keen to do it this way, and there isn't much drama coming up, so I won't be a road block; Support. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  07:02, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Guys, there is no need to add "oppose" !votes here, this poll is an either/or choice, either you support one option or the other, if you want to emphasize that you oppose this option please state that in your support !vote for the other option, thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 07:14, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to suggest that we modify the Hillary Hook "... that Hillary's portrait is now being printed on the $5 bill?" to make it slightly less spoilery. No need to say 'some bills'. Hillary is printed on the $5 note of New Zealand. I've suggested this n its DYK page. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  21:42, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That I support enthusiastically! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:43, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Support and prefer O-H-T (with Trump being the last hook). Someone is going to get offended in some way or another, we shouldn't care that much. feminist (talk) 07:26, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. Oh no, not this again. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support – Funnier without the bland image, and much funnier with the three hooks. Preferred order: T-H-O. — JFG talk 08:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - It's funnier now we have the obama and Hillary to balance out the Trump hook. That way we cn use the image slot for soething more appropriate for AFD.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 08:32, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - I dont particularly like the map. Its essentially Rainier Wolfcastle'ing the hook. With the 3 its just as obvious and funnier. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:34, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support and prefer T-H-O. Smeat75 (talk) 11:03, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support, and I like T-H-O. Bishonen &#124; talk 11:39, 27 March 2018 (UTC).
 * Oppose It was never an issue of neutrality, it was about BLP, period. I know its meant for April Fools', but we had this problem before, and we should not use DYK for jokes that do involve high-profile BLPs (much less any other part of the main page). --M asem (t) 13:36, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * OFFS. Really? REALLY???? We should really hold ourselves hostage to faux-outrage from people who cannot, or pretend they cannot, see that these three hooks together are April 1 jokes? Is there no stupidity so base that we need not cater to it? And why shouldn't we "use DYK for joles that involve high-profile BLPs"? That's what high-profile people bought into. What... we should only make jokes about low-profile people? Why? <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 18:19, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That was beneath you, EEng. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I wasn't referring to our fellow editor. I was referring to the hypothesized dumbasses out in reader-land. Even viewers of Fox and Friends can't be that dumb. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 19:20, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I knew you weren't referring to Masem, but what he said was perfectly reasonable, not something that called for "OFFS" etc. Indeed, it was never a neutrality issue, and we have indeed had past BLP issues on the main page, that we should not repeat here. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:25, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * As long as people get the joke, there is no BLP issue. The combination of absurd statements in these three related hooks pretty much makes it impossible that the reader will take it seriously which removes any BLP issue (if people get the joke then the hook is about two streets). —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  21:42, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That's perfectly logical, I admit. But my gut is telling me that it will not be received that way. My credentials as an April 1 joker are, I believe, flawless. (I proposed renaming WP:BLP as WP:BLT.) But I really do think this will backfire, and the stakes of the Mueller investigation are too high for a serious encyclopedia to be making light of. I think this will hurt Wikipedia's reputation. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I had knee-jerk voted to del the image, but am thinking it over again mainly because of this comment. If it is perceived as too close to a pain point for many, the payoff for a funny April Fool's item isn't worth the detriment to the project, including alienating readers, current and potential future editors. As Trypto points out, the Mueller investigation is funny like a heart attack. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with Insertcleverphrasehere...it's comedic...it's a no-chip-on-the-shoulder, I get it April Fool's joke - a time for fun...enjoy!! All 3 together are witty and humorous. It's not like we're Russians trying to influence an election...(like that could even happen in America without altering electronic votes). Compromise is the name of the game - editors who have a chip on their shoulder should remove it at the same time editors who wear their feelings on their sleeves remove theirs. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme 📞📧 22:10, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey, does that come in a light-weight ready-to-wear Worsted at all? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Let me just add: I am very much opposed to this, but know the majority/consensus do not see it and thus my !vote does not matter, but I see this more as planting the "I told you so" flag should there be a backlash when April 1 comes and these are posted as suggested. I would love to be wrong, and that there will be no issue when these are posted, but I want my voice of concern out there so that there's not a vacuum of opposition here. --M asem (t) 17:48, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * With utmost respect,, your "would love to be wrong" is noted. I'm of the mind that humor outweighs the "potential" consequences, and being the gambler that I am..."would love to be right"...so I'll raise you two DYK reviews. 😊 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme 📞📧 21:40, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * What Masem said is exactly how I feel, too. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:56, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Support  ceran  thor 14:48, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support As per above comments. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:35, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose again - this is just bad in any number of ways - we've been over them before - but deficient in any hint of cleverness, too. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:35, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. IMO, the Obama hook should go next to the Trump one. They're kind of analogous to each other. Look we make fun of Trump being connected to Russia, but we say Obama was born in Japan too. I think making fun of both presidents would seem fair and neutral to any reasonable reader. The Hillary hook isn't really "making fun" of Hillary, so while I don't oppose running it, it's not as important as the Obama one. HaEr48 (talk) 22:57, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm confused; we are talking about the geographical orientation of two London streets, of course Jōkō Obama was born in japan (when was this ever disputed?), and why would we want to make fun of Sir Edmond Hillary? ;) —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  23:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well surprisingly some people denied the Trump-Russia connection, and as for Obama I haven't seen his birth certificate so I'm not so sure. HaEr48 (talk) 02:01, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I looked it up on google earth and I don't know what there is to argue about... As for Obama, I'm not sure they issued birth certificates that long ago in Japan (unfortunately I think this is just likely to fuel the conspiracy theories - oh dear). —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  02:18, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. It isn't less funny with the map spoiler, and without it, it's too political, [redacted]. --Slashme (talk) 08:52, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * . Whoa there. Discretionary sanctions for american politics are in effect. Making unproven claims about living people is not ok and I would recommend refactoring your comment. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  11:03, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposal 2: Run the Trump hook with the accompanying image as originally proposed regardless of the spoiler effect.

 * Support - I think it would be better with the image. It would help negate the claims of bias. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:31, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You really think there can be a bias claim with the other 2 hooks present? <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 16:10, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You probably underestimate how sensitive non-Wikipedia editors can be. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:57, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have specified a not-crazy bias claim. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 17:06, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Support, as I explained above. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:40, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The "rules" for these nominations say: Remember, we are trying to confuse and mislead Wikipedians and visitors, not lie to them. Keep all hooks and articles completely truthful, but outrageous. (examples from 2010: A hook claiming Dmitry Medvedev died in 2005 is ok, saying Mikheil Saakashvili died is not.) It seems to me that this version complies with those rules, whereas the proposed change above violates them. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:09, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Support, Please no more drama, just run with the map, it is plenty fun. Also for maximum impact this trio is going to look better at the top of the DYK list, so it is better with the map: the (pictured) hook is always put at the top. I could go either way honestly, so I've supported both. though I am leaning more towards Option 1 now. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  07:02, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I could go either way – Your fellow editors are not interested in your private life. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 21:49, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Reasonably firm support. Oh no, not this again. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , you supported both proposals. Could you please choose one. Jeesh. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 18:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Certainly not. The other support wasn't even reasonably firm. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:49, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Reluctant support. I still have misgivings about running this at all, but since that ship has long since sailed, I would prefer it with the map per Tryptofish. Double sharp (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * 2nd choice I prefer proposal 1 but if that fails I support proposal 2. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Firm support. It disarms the POV problems without taking the sting out of the joke. --Slashme (talk) 08:54, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per logic of Tryptofish and Masem. Running without the image is the equivalent of running with scissors; something bad is going to happen. This is the front page of what's supposed to be a major source of knowledge, not an evening political humor news wrapup. Secondly, when I see these political things creep into the project it makes me uneasy, and I can't be the only one. We bend over backwards to make the project more inclusive and supportive of individuals holding diverse opinions, and this should be considered part of that effort. Even for April Fool's this is deep into dangerous territory. By the way don't the instructions say not to vote "oppose"? ☆ Bri (talk) 20:06, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * There will be a problem precisely if people want there to be a problem. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 00:18, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Support: Not really a fan of the first choice, but this one is fine. Alex Shih (talk) 06:35, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Comments

 * I mainly don't like the Americanism which is really grating and contrary to WP:ENGVAR. As for the picture, it seems weak as a picture and I suppose that there are better alternatives.  Andrew D. (talk) 07:44, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm uncomfortable with the process of this "straw vote", per WP:VOTE. It's like we're having an RfC, over something that has important policy aspects, except that this has not been configured or publicized or kept open long enough to qualify as an RfC. It borders on forum-shopping. I am going to put a link to this discussion at WP:BLPN. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:06, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * In fact, it occurs to me that this discussion is subject to Discretionary Sanctions under the American Politics ArbCom case. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Forum shopping? Not at all. I started this poll because the situation has changed since the previous discussion, in that we now have three faux politician hooks instead of one. It isn't "forum shopping" to retest consensus when circumstances change. I pinged everybody who participated in the previous debates to ensure they all had a chance to participate in this one. I'm not sure what else I could have been expected to do. Gatoclass (talk) 16:13, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm not sure what relevance discretionary sanctions have to this discussion. Apart from anything else, the articles are not actually about American politics, the hooks only give that impression. The hook you've complained about "that Trump is directly connected to Russia", doesn't even say anything meaningful, a "direct connection" might describe nothing more than, say, a direct phone line between the two leaders. I might also add that by moving the hook from the lead slot, it will be a lot less conspicuous, which would be an additional advantage from your point of view. Gatoclass (talk) 17:34, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * About DS, I guess it comes down to the need to be extra careful. (Of course, it also means that editors must not be tendentious towards one another, but that's not been an issue here.) --Tryptofish (talk) 17:57, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Let me make clear that I think you did this in good faith and with good intentions (even though I think you did it the wrong way). So I don't want to get sidetracked parsing the difference between "forum shopping" and "borders on forum shopping". One thing about the situation that has not changed is that huge numbers of people will see this when it goes live on the front page. It has a very real potential to elicit a major stink-fest, maybe even get media attention, even if much of the Wiki-groaning will be cynically ginned up to score political points. And that's not what Wikipedia is about. You framed this as a "quick straw poll", and labeled the two choices in a non-neutral way (Proposal 1: fix the problem; Proposal 2: don't fix the problem). You could have made it an RfC, even though it would not run a full month. You could have done a lot more than pinging editors: post at CENT or the Village Pump, among other possibilities. This decision has significant policy repercussions, and needs more than a vote-count among a small, local group of users. Believe me, I really hope that I'm wrong. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:48, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I could have taken it to those venues, but with time running short I thought that the approximately 40 users who had previously shown an interest in the issue would be a sufficiently large sample. But you too could have done so, or suggested a change to the headers if you felt they weren't sufficiently neutral, it's a little late to start complaining about these things now. I do actually have considerable sympathy for your position - I was originally opposed to the running of this hook altogether, but was eventually persuaded it would be okay for April Fools Day only - but my feeling is that if it is going to be run, at least let it be run in such a way that it doesn't spoil the rest of the set. Otherwise, what's the point of having an April Fools set at all? Gatoclass (talk) 17:34, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Let's agree that we both hope that I'm wrong. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:57, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hard to argue with that :) Gatoclass (talk) 18:23, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Doesn't Russia Row meet DYK requirements? If so we should bold Russia as well. feminist (talk) 07:49, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * There is now a second proposal for a Trump DYK for April 1. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:07, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Reviewer needed
I have decided to reformat a nomination for April Fools day because the majority of the final four round of the 2018 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament will occur on April 1 UTC. We have a hook to celebrate that concurrence with Template:Did you know nominations/Jordan Poole. I also think that this concurrence might make for a great lead hook.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:44, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , There was a lot of discussion above about the main hook for the April Fools Day. In the United States, March Madness is a huge cultural phenomenon. The final four will start at 22:09 the day before April Fools Day and run until about 3:00 UTC on April Fools day. Thus, it will be in the news cycle for most of April Fools Day UTC. It would be quite timely for us to have a major cultural event prominently displayed on our main page during the Final Four news cycle run. I have created Template:Did you know nominations/Jordan Poole, which would make for a great main hook, and it needs a reviewer.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:53, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like a perfectly fine hook for a normal day but I am in the UK and my opinion is it has nothing to do with April fools and is much too USA centred. I have no idea what the hook even means. Sorry to be negative. Mramoeba (talk) 16:37, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I was told on Template:Did you know nominations/Fly Fishing: Memories of Angling Days exactly that about specialist regional hooks. If it is still on Saturday BST then maybe we could still run it on Saturday. Meanwhile Template:Did you know nominations/Christ the Lord Is Risen Today also requires a reviewer for ALT7 for Easter/April Fools Day.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 17:06, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that my suggestion above, under Easter, would apply here too. One 8-hour set could be dedicated to Easter and other "regular" DYK subjects, like this basketball tournament. Yoninah (talk) 22:49, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * did you see ALT2, which is all about April Fools? Are you aware that the American NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament is considered to be a subject of widespread appeal and interest to main page readers per In_the_news.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:48, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what you mean by regular DYK subjects. Do you understand the April Fools element of ALT2 of this nom? Can I get a reviewer to look at this. If you get ALT2, you should see why it is relevant. Also, the NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament is a big deal. It usually warrants a mention at WP:ITN. So I think if we can have a subject prominent enough for ITN on DYK, it should get considered for the main hook.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:53, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have now seen the Alt2 (which is still baffling to me) and Alt3 and I understand your eagerness to have it as the main hook but as I said before even with the ‘poole party’ IMO it means little to a vast majority of english readers who don’t follow that sport. The play on the name is dependent on having heard of the sportsman. On a regular dyk day this is less important but this is April Fools day. Mramoeba (talk) 19:50, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I have posted the nom in the AFDay nom section. (I did not notice it belonged there for formal consideration). Are you saying more English readers would be familiar with a Gowanus Batcave than a Pool Party. How does that get approved for AFDay and this one have trouble getting reviewed?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:44, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that’s what I am saying. The batcave is a fun misdirection referencing Batman whom most english speakers will be familiar with, only it leads to a totally different thing. I don’t think it is having trouble getting reviewed, it hasn’t even been up a week, thats why the recommendations say nominate it several weeks in advance, don’t take it personally. I’m afraid I couldn’t give it a decent review as I know zero about the terminology, or the reliability of the citations, or indeed sport of any kind except cricket but if there is a major tournament in progress it will probably catch someone’s attention. Mramoeba (talk) 17:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposed April Fools preps
I have drafted proposed preps for AFD assuming we are going to do 2x9 for that day. Pictures that work are thin on the ground so I am proposing to use pictures with Squirrel and Christ the Lord as the lead hooks.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 09:07, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

SET ONE (0000-1200 UTC)


 * Furthermore, I am going to leave the Easter hymn already in the prep as a courtesy as well as to ensure we do have a consistent 2x9.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 09:11, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * There is an issue with the 'Gotham's batcave' hook. This particular hook was never approved, for good reason. 'Gotham' appears nowhere in the article. I suggest running with the current hook but cutting the word "Gotham". i.e. ("...forces of darkness, the Batcave became..."). Set 2 doesn't have an image? Suggest starting or finishing with the Trump/Hillary/Obama/Hitler quad rather than having it in the middle. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  10:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * sorry, you posted Prep 5 while I was writing this, I see that it does have an image; its good but no (pictured)? Still suggest ending with the quad of faux heads of state. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  10:07, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing that out. I have made the amendments. As for the THO hooks, I understand though no matter wherever you place them, you won't please everyone. I just put it there so it not given priority but neither is it left at the back. The only real guidance I have was on the straw poll.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 10:16, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Presumably added the reference to Gotham because that's a common nickname for New York. It would be weird to include such a nick name in the article. One possibility would be to link to List of nicknames of New York City for verifiability. (The article also doesn't say "the Batcave is in the largest city in the state of New York", but I don't think it would be problematic if a hook called for saying as much, since it's uncontroversial, verified in an easily linked article, and not directly relevant to the subject). That said, I don't actually have a preference here. &mdash;  Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 15:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Also, "Russia" definitely needs to be a link, as does '$5 bills'. I suggest:

SET TWO (1200-2400 UTC) REVISED —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  10:13, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * ... that some people know Christ the Lord is risen today (pictured) from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?
 * ... that Robert Bartholomew has been in hysterics for over twenty years?
 * ... that some extinct ants were simply terrible?
 * ... that the United States Navy considered calling on Zeus to defend a battleship?
 * ... that Brian Wilson is a genius?
 * ... that Trump is directly connected to Russia?
 * ... that Hillary's portrait is now being printed on the $5 bill?
 * ... that Obama was born in Japan?
 * ... that Hitler's demands for mobile phone gift cards may have upset some Nazis?
 * As I said above, I cannot please everyone with the THO hooks. Russia is already linked but I do not see why Hillary's $5 needs to be linked as NZ people call their currency the dollar and not the "NZ Dollar" just like the US citizens call their's the dollar and not the "American/US Dollar".  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 10:19, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've boldly struck SET TWO ORIGINAL in favor of SET TWO REVISED. The order of the hooks I don't care about so much (though I do actually think the order in REVISED is better) but at least on the THO hooks, we're best off keeping the non-bolded links, as they were present during the extensive community discussions on these hooks.
 * I've made the following changes
 * to
 * to
 * to
 * Click the links in the hooks themselves to see what happens; in these specific cases I think it's best to help the reader see right away what the joke is instead of making them search through the article. Note, however, that in the case of the THO hooks, this aid is provided only in order to help the reader find out what the joke is; that these are jokes is obvious simply from the fact of these three hooks together.
 * Obviously these "decisions" on my part are subject to objection and review by my esteemed fellow editors. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 13:34, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I can agree with Trump and Hillary however I don't think it's really needed for Hitler as the article is short and the Grammar Nazi does stand out in it without a need to do that.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 13:38, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, it doesn't hurt. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 14:01, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * We're headed for a bit of a clusterfuck since we now have the two sets here plus two in the real preps. I'm now going to apply the changes mentioned above to the real preps. Stand by. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 14:06, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * And now I see there's a bit of an edit war over who's going to build the preps, so they're empty now. I suggest we continue discussing the sets here on this page, starting with ONE and TWO REVISED above. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 14:26, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The problem I saw was that the majority of set builders will have at least one involvement in at least one nomination, which under the spirit of the rules normally excludes them from promoting it. I thought just to get the ball rolling with IAR, I would build the set and we can discuss the rest here with more than 24 hours to do so. However by the fact I had my sets reverted and then threatened with a block because I was trying to help, clearly my efforts weren't appreciated. I do hope that someone else can restore the sets and we can continue with a constructive dialogue.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 14:31, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Set builders cannot promote their own hooks
The DYK rules do not go into abeyance because this is April Fools' Day. I was surprised to see that The C of E had promoted the Brian Wilson hook because last I saw the tick had been superseded by a slash by Gatoclass, meaning it shouldn't be promoted; when I checked, I saw it had indeed been promoted despite not having a current tick. When I did further checking, I saw that The C of E had promoted both sets, about a third of which are his own nominations, and there may well be nominations that he has ticked and then promoted (if so, that's also against DYK policy).

At this point, I think The C of E needs to recuse himself from any further edits regarding the April Fools' sets and let others do the work. I am going to pull the Brian Wilson hook because it has not been approved, and check to be sure there aren't any others with a similar issue. Someone independent should further check all of The C of E's nominations and ticked reviews to be sure there aren't any issues missed by reviewers, which is what an uninvolved promoter would normally do.

And since I just conflicted with EEng's post, I'll wait to pull the Brian Wilson hook until it appears that his edits have been completed. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:12, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I will point out that WP:DYKSG states it isn't prohibited to promote your own hooks, it is only discouraged. I figured that since everyone who does regular hook promotions has a part in a number of hooks, it is easier to IAR and put the hooks in the preps then make amendments as needed. I did this with EEng's agreement as I said I would not do it without agreement, which was given  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 14:18, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You did a good job building the proto-sets here, but it probably was a mistake for you to move them to the real preps. Let's leave the real preps empty for now and continue discussion here. Several people made changes to the hooks while they were in the real preps, and in a moment I'll ping them inviting them to re-apply the changes to the sets here if they want. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 14:28, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

I have reverted the sets built by. It is totally inappropriate for him to be choosing his own hook for the lead, and choosing his own preferred hooks for other nominations. We need somebody neutral to be building these sets. or, can you do the honours? If not, I will prepare a couple of emergency sets to be used in case nobody else gets around to it. My one request in whomever puts these sets together is that the three "faux politician" hooks are featured in the first set not the second. Gatoclass (talk) 14:30, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No need for an emergency yet. Let's continue discussion below., I see you made changes to the "real" preps during the brief time they existed; if appropriate, please make them again in the sets in this thread, adding a bullet below if you think that would help keeps discussion orderly.
 * The first set runs overnight in the America's, so I don't see why you'd make the suggestion you did; second set, where they are now, makes more sense. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 14:40, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * As mentioned I would earlier, I have reverted the promotion of the Brian Wilson hook. I agree with Gatoclass that it is inappropriate for The C of E to be ordering sets and choosing hooks where his own hooks (four in the original Prep 4, two in Prep 5) and reviewed hooks (two in the original Prep 4) are under consideration. There are times for IAR, and this was not one of them. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, exactly. Promoting your own hook is at best only permitted in exceptional circumstances, where, for example, there are no appropriate alternatives. In this case, the user in question has not only promoted a stack of his own nominations, he has chosen his own preferred hooks in the given discussions, and even put a nomination of his own into the lead - and done this when any number of far less involved editors might have put the sets together. Gatoclass (talk) 15:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Continued discussion

 * Let me suggest: If you change a hook in the protosets higher up in this thread, unless it's quite obviously an uncontroversial change thne please, in the same edit, add a bullet here explaining what you've done. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 14:33, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The C of E has totally fucked things up by doing the promotions himself, because they can't be undone and returned to the April Fools main page without undoing every single promotion, which is going to make it very difficult for anybody to make their own hook selections. I am very angry about this, he is the last person to be building the sets, he knows you can't promote your own hooks to the lead and that's exactly what he's gone and done. I've got half a mind to give him a good long block regardless of what happens from this point.
 * I will try to put a couple of sets together in such a way as to assist anyone who wants to do the final promotions. Gatoclass (talk) 14:43, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I respectfully point you towards WP:DYKSG where it clearly states it is not prohibited to promote your own hooks, only discouraged. As I explained above, I only did this to try and help everyone and did it with the best of intentions. I even asked permission to invoke IAR on this. I do not feel it was warranted to threaten me with a block but I am not going to take up an argument with it. What we can do is use the preps prepared above with alterations that we deem necessary.  The C of E  God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 14:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Please, do it here where it's easy to discuss. If you want, strike ONE and TWO REVISED above and re-present them here modified as you see fit (maybe call them ONE-B and TWO-B). <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 14:48, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The C of E, I can't recall the last time anyone got away with promoting their own hooks; it's not merely discouraged at DYK, it's so highly discouraged it's effectively a prohibition, since people who try are invariably reverted. And promoting a hook that you ticked is also highly discouraged.
 * Note to Gatoclass: the Brian Wilson hook had not been approved and never should have been promoted; I have reverted the promotion, so please remove it from the proposed sets you are building. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:13, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Also I would recommend that we only use the hooks that were proposed in the nom page and discuss changes here. The Coughing Major hook joke is ruined by putting the full programme name in there.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 15:17, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft sets - Version C

 * Please nobody edit here until I'm done, to avoid edit conflicts, thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 15:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I think I'm just about done with these sets now. I've put the faux politician hooks in set 2 as requested. I'm still not sure we have the best selection of hooks, since The C of E chose most of them, so I may do a substitution or two yet, but comments are welcome at this point. Gatoclass (talk) 15:34, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I've checked the hooks I was concerned about and I think the current set is probably the best available, so I probably won't be substituting any hooks after all. Gatoclass (talk) 15:48, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Since all the nominations were closed, I have added all the credits for the hooks in hidden messages below so that the set promoter can readily build the sets without having to find the nomination pages. Gatoclass (talk) 18:28, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oops, I reopened them actually, so that they'd be visible at April_Fool's_Main_Page/Did_You_Know during any discussion here. I think it's best if whoever takes the hooks to the real preps follows the formal process, since we've had so many fingers in this pie. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 19:28, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Set 1 Version C


 * ... that squirrels may be a major cybersecurity threat (suspect pictured)?
 * ... that Robert Bartholomew has been in hysterics for over twenty years?
 * ... that the trial of the "Coughing Major" was interrupted by the coughing jurors?
 * ... that Hitler demands for mobile phone gift cards may have upset some Nazis?
 * ... that James Longstreet was mauled by pelicans?
 * ... that some people know Christ the Lord is risen today from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?
 * ... that some extinct ants were simply terrible?
 * ... that after many years battling the forces of darkness, Gotham's Batcave became a popular venue for underground parties and concerts?


 * Set 2 Version C


 * ... that Daisy the dinosaur (relative pictured) lives with Elton John?
 * ... that the United States Navy considered calling on Zeus to defend a battleship?
 * ... that Jigsaw wants to play a game with your computer?
 * ... that Trump is directly connected to Russia?
 * ... that Hillary portrait is now being printed on the $5 bill?
 * ... that Obama was born in Japan?
 * ... that the United States once sued 43 gallons of whiskey?
 * ... that Fly Fishing by J. R. Hartley, a non-existent book by a non-existent author, became a number one bestseller and had two sequels?

Let me suggest: If you change a hook in the Version C sets above, unless it's quite obviously an uncontroversial change then please, in the same edit, add a bullet here explaining what you've done. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 15:40, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I have removed WWTBAM from the Coughing Major hook as it ruins the joke otherwise. Personally I do still think either Set A or B would be better as the quirkiest of the quirky are buried in the middle rather than at the end.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 15:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I have already warned you not to do any more editing of the hook sets, you've made enough of a mess and caused enough headaches as it is. If you want to suggest a change, do so, but don't mess with the sets. Gatoclass (talk) 15:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I'd like to suggest that the squirrel caption Suspected perpetrator be changed to Masked perpetrator. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 15:46, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That change would mean that the squirrel in question was a guilty party, as opposed to merely a suspect. Hardly seems sporting. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:47, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * OK then, how about "Masked suspect"? I've boldly done that. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 17:16, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Can't we come up with a better image than Elton John's driveway? Obviously a photo of Daisy would be perfect (caption: "Elton's flatmate" or something) but if not, I'd much prefer a photo of the Batcave (caption: "The Batcave"), or of the not-at-all-in-hysterics Robert Bartholomew (caption: "Man in hysterics"), or something. I gotta go for a while. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 15:53, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * If you can find an image of Daisy the dinosaur, go for it. I have arranged the sets in an order that I think works best, and am not keen on changing them. Gatoclass (talk) 15:57, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I added an image of a dinosaur instead, although there might be a better T. Rex image around somewhere. Gatoclass (talk) 16:22, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That's way better, thanks. I changed caption to read "A relative of Sir Elton's pal". <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 17:14, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Now also changing (species pictured) to (relative pictured). <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 22:14, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

- for the hook I have selected above. I'm happy to leave the choice of hook to go to prep to a neutral editor. Gatoclass (talk) 16:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The C of E wants to substitute the hook:
 * ... that the trial of the "Coughing Major" was interrupted by the coughing jurors?
 * I'm fine with that version, which was the approved ALT1, so I've substituted it with this edit. What I wouldn't have been fine with was the original hook, approval of which had been superseded but was nevertheless selected and promoted to prep by The C of E. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:47, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * From someone completely uninvolved: Yes, remove the WWTBAM reference, it spoils the joke. Black Kite (talk) 16:48, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Per the discussion at Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Edmund_Hillary I've changed some $5 bills to the $5 bill. However, someone removed the link behind the $5 bill and I've left it that way, because now the bolded link to the Hillary article takes you directly to the section showing the NZ bill, and I think that's enough. If someone feels strongly about that feel free to relink. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 17:22, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with all the changes made thus far, thanks all for your input. Gatoclass (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I offered to help on the DYK discussion page but you seem to be busy here so I will do something else instead and you can ping me if you need me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:39, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

What are we going to do with the Easter hook currently in prep 4? It is going to look totally out of place with the April Fools sets. Should we move it to prep 5? Gatoclass (talk) 17:49, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It would probably have been better off running today (Good Friday). But yes, Easter Monday is a perfectly good place to put it. Black Kite (talk) 17:54, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I've looked mainly at the three "presidential" hooks in Set 2. I think the Hillary link is good the way it is now (showing the 5 dollar note). For the Trump Street hook, I think it might be better for it to link to the top of the page, rather than to the Location section, because it's quicker for the reader to see what we really mean that way (and it would parallel the link to Russia Row). --Tryptofish (talk) 20:01, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I just made that change, so please check it. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:30, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It's fine. I was going to do it myself but I got caught in traffic on the MIT Bridge. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 22:13, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I have replaced "Gotham's Batcave" with "the Batcave". As far as I can see, the batcave is not referred to as "Gotham's Batcave" anywhere in the article. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  20:11, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Just want to make sure you saw the comment I left above regarding this. Gotham is an uncontroversial nickname for New York, verified via Nicknames of New York City (i.e. uncontroversial, but would be awkward to include in the article itself, since it's a nickname). It's a cutesy substitution, but doesn't seem any more problematic than the other liberties taken with other hooks (e.g. it's not in the pelican article that anyone was "mauled", and "hysterics", so far as I know, is not in that formulation a branch or type of practice like "pediatrics" or "obstetrics" such that one would be "in" it aside from to refer to the alluded to condition of being "in hysterics"). Mainly I just want to make sure you know it wasn't that someone added some random word to make it more Batmanlike -- it's more like saying "There's a big Apple in the Big Apple" if there's a big Apple store in New York City, even if the article doesn't call NYC "the Big Apple". If you saw the comment and still think it's in appropriate, then no problem. :) &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 21:03, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok. I wasn't aware of this. I guess its ok. Linking "Gotham" to the nicknames page might help indicate why the joke works to people like myself Who don't know this. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  21:12, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Please don't forget Erschienen ist der herrlich Tag, for Easter (already in prep), - should probably be in the set where the other Easter hymn isn't. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * It's been moved to Easter Monday per the above discussion. I tried to fit it into the second April Fools set, but it looks totally out of place there. Gatoclass (talk) 10:39, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Separate the hooks which start "that the United States", it looks shit at the moment. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:55, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Swap Christ the Lord Is Risen Today for the US Navy hook in my view.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 20:03, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * SET ONE is already in Q. I've moved the whiskey to second-to-last slot. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 20:08, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Bingo, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:09, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * FWIW, and only briefly, I've taken a look at all those hooks above, and their target articles, and I haven't seen anything abundantly obviously incorrect. Good work all.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:10, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * And now you've got four very obviously US-centric hooks in a row, which is why I didn't do that in the first place. Having the two "United States" phrases together is the lesser of two evils. Gatoclass (talk) 20:14, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you appear to be completely missing the point of the April Fools Day hooks. It's much better now.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * In what way am I missing the point? Gatoclass (talk) 20:18, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * And while you're at it, perhaps you can explain how having FOUR US-related hooks in a row is "much better" than a pair of "United States" phrases in a row? Gatoclass (talk) 20:21, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Having repetition in consecutive hooks is appalling. The hooks you say are "US-centric" (and now "US-related" with FOUR in shouty letters) are in fact nothing to do with the United States at all.  Our readers would prefer to see the language varied, not repeated.  I'm surprised and disappointed that needs to be stated again and again here and elsewhere.  Perhaps if someone else had brought it up we wouldn't be having this endless discussion over something that's now been happily and appropriately resolved.  I'm out of this discussion, once again de-railed by your involvement.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:24, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said, having four US-related hooks in a row is a considerably worse solution than having one repetition of the term "United States" in a row. This has nothing to do with "not wanting to action your concerns" as you claimed at WT:DYK and everything to do with common sense and the DYK guidelines. Gatoclass (talk) 20:32, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I promoted Set 2 Version C. I IAR'ed the fact that the dinosaur isn't pictured in the lead article. However, I don't think the image looks good at thumbnail size. It needs more contrast. Perhaps a better image could be found? Yoninah (talk) 22:20, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Do these work? Yoninah (talk) 22:40, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

I think the one on the left is best. With time short I'm swapping it in now, though anyone should feel free to substitute an even better one. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 23:48, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * All three potential images for William Hogarth's pug Trump are better than that rather incomprehensible postage stamp showing streets in the City of London, or indeed the dinosaur. I wonder if the two Trump hooks could be combined somehow. "*... that Trump is directly connected to Russia, and Trump wears a wig?" Or "*... that Trump is directly connected to Russia, and Trump is pugnacious?" If not, I'll be content if the dog gets its day later in April. Happy Easter everyone. Theramin (talk) 07:52, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Arbor-treeish break

 * I was just reminded that we have a page on Neopalpa donaldtrumpi. What a missed opportunity: we could have linked to that. { --Tryptofish (talk) 21:21, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The real missed opportunity there was not running ... that donaldtrumpi has a scaly yellow head and small genitalia? when that article appeared on DYK in its own right. But there're always more fish in the sea. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 04:12, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Done for 2018
The second set is on the main page, and I have just cleaned out the Awaiting verification section—the three remaining nominations are all on the appropriate regular Nominations or Approved pages and will ultimately be promoted to main page some day in the future. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:00, 1 April 2018 (UTC)