Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2006/Candidate statements/Questions for JzG


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Response to question from Fys
For the record, the history between Fys and JzG, as I understand it, is: Let me know if you want diffs, TheronJ 19:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) JzG blocked Fys for 3RR violations.  Fys was extraordinarily rude about it, and every admin who checked out the block agreed it was deserved.
 * I give an absolute pledge to be extremely annoyed whenever I happen to be blocked for defending the encyclopaedic quality of an article. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 19:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) JzG, in an abundance of caution, asked for additional people to check out the block, even after it had been upheld.
 * 2) IMHO, Fys was clearly in violation of 3RR, but there were some limited extenuating circumstances, which were buried in another user's edit history and which Fys had not revealed to JzG or any of the reviewing admins.
 * I assumed it was obvious that they would check this first. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 19:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Fys agreed to stop edit warring, and JzG voluntarily lifted the block.
 * 2) Since then, Fys has been making a jerk of himself.


 * That is not the basis of the current dispute. It is over JzG's unwarranted assumptions over the reason for my stance was skewed by my own politics, which he thinks he knows. He does not, and his assumption is incorrect. The dispute is over his refusal to even listen to evidence which contradicts his assumptions (or perhaps 'prejudices' would be a better description).


 * Incidentally, why did JzG come first to ask me to discuss changes, then before I had the chance to, block me? He has yet to explain. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 19:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * TheronJ: regardless of what Fys has or has not done, what can justify calling any editor an "idiot" and making assumptions about his political affiliation? This is the same kind of problem that I've always had with JzG: he made assumptions about my politics and affilations, and those assumptions have colored every one of his interactions with me. He seems incapable of separating his prejudices about editors from the quality of their editing. This is why I've been so adamant about my questions here, because JzG's penchant for assuming others' motives is exactly what you don't want in an arb com member. ATren 19:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * ATren, Fys behaved like a jerk. You know the bit in the police caution about "it may harm your defence if you fail to mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court"?  That accurately describes what Fys did.  He went straight into bluster and aggression.  Having been an admin, he knows that 3RR is an automatic block unless there are extenuating circumstances, and his response to the supposed extenuating circumstances being dismissed by two admins before the fact and several more afterwards was simply to assert that he was right, we were wrong and that was an end of it.  That's fine in politics but fantastically unhelpful in Wikipedia where a few tens of the most active admins deal with virtually all the crap.  There is such a thing as meeting people halfway, and that's what collaboration is all about. Fys trolled instead, which is not quite the same thing. Guy (Help!) 15:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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