Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/2013 Mother's Day Parade shooting

Question for opposers
I ask it on the project page and I think it worthy of asking here: How many of the deletion !votes would flip if the shootings of 19 people prove to be committed by Muslim terrorists instead of "merely" gang thugs? I think there is something very wrong at Afd, personally, and think we need fresh eyes on this, not the same Afd group that seems to dominate these discussions. I think an Rfc may be called for, myself. Jus da  fax   03:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Muslim terrorist violence is not routine, violence between armed youths is. Considering this happens on a routine basis in New Orleans, then maybe you should take up your battle with the Crime section of that page, rather than creating pages for every criminal event that happens in the city, of which there are numerous Angry Lampshade (talk) 14:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Really? 19 people get injured in Mother's day parade shootings on a routine basis in New Orleans?  Umm... No, I really don't think so.  This is a unique terrorist event in my eyes and it should be treated like other terrorist events like all of the school massacre shootings, the plane hijackings of 2001, the unibomber attacks, the Boston marathon attacks... Quit trying to sugarcoat this event.  It is very clear to me that it was a terrorist attack. Technical 13 (talk) 14:50, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * This was not a terrorist attack, it was a bunch of gangbangers shooting at each other, Unlike their cinematic portrayals, most gang members are rather piss-poor shots, so there was quite a bit of collateral damage. Again, not "terrorism", just crime...and in regardgs to New Orleans, sadly routine;


 * Angry residents said gun violence -- which has flared at two other city celebrations this year -- goes hand-in-hand with the city's other deeply rooted problems such as poverty and urban blight. The investigators tasked with solving Sunday's shooting work within an agency that's had its own troubles rebounding from years of corruption while trying to halt violent crime.

"The old people are scared to walk the streets. The children can't even play outside," Ronald Lewis, 61, said Monday as he sat on the front stoop of his house, about a half-block from the shooting site. His window sill has a hole from a bullet that hit it last year. Across the street sits a house marked by bullets he said were fired two weeks ago. - Fox News


 * Anyone that claims this is "terrorism" has more of a firm grip on theatrics rather than common sense. Tarc (talk) 15:51, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Can we also clarify that the majority of the 19 injured were not injured by bullets. We're talking scraped knees and twisted ankles, injuries not typically reported on in local news whenever these incidents happen in New Orleans. Angry Lampshade (talk) 19:28, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, according to this May 21, 2013, article in the Times Picayune, of the 20 people injured, 19 were injured "by gunfire", and one was trampled. Cardamon (talk) 20:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)