Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/2016 Hurghada attack

One article for all terrorism directed at tourism sites in Egypt
An article like Exhibit A: Ben_Yehuda_Street_bombings specifies an area where incidents occur. Should an article specifying Terrorist Attacks at Egypt's Tourist Industry (sites) be created, I'd be glad to vote for redirecting individual articles to it. We already have an article for terrorism targeting Egypt's Coptic Christians. the eloquent peasant (talk) 16:35, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * the eloquent peasant are you suggesting the article should be redirected but doesn't have a suitable place for it? Why don't you express that feeling at the AfD? If you don't, I'm afraid this will just go to "no consensus" and nothing will be accomplished. A sub-section can be created in terrorism in Egypt for terror attacks that target tourist areas. I realize XavierItzm's arguement probably swerved you in the wrong direction but you are still entitled to change your vote. Not a single word by XavierItzm was policy-based; terror attacks by people with brown skin aren't (or at least shouldn't be in an encyclopedia) put on a pedestal of automatic notability and "other poor articles exists" arguements should not be rewarded. That's simply bias and lazy analysis of the sources -- media sources mind you, not reliable post-analytical sources.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:38, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think a new article is needed just for Terrorism targeting tourism sites in Egypt, where all these attacks could be included and then some of the articles could be eliminated. A subsection to the existing Terrorism in Egypt wouldn't work, I think, because the attacks would then be listed twice. As you see the article is currently formatted by decades. Regards, the eloquent peasant (talk) 01:53, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't you think it would look funny to add a subsection where some of the attacks were listed twice, once in the decades outline and once in the subsection of attacks on tourist sites? There seem to be three types of terrorism attacks going on in Egypt: 1) aimed at police and government 2) aimed at tourist sites 3) aimed at Coptic Christians (article exists) the eloquent peasant (talk) 01:57, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * the eloquent peasant I suppose it would be odd but lists are not all these articles should be about. I just think it's more silly you think the article should be redirected but won't express it at the AfD. It just encourages editors to create these articles, regardless of the all the policies outlining why they shouldn't be. Your suggestion for an article assuredly has analysis and coverage beyond WP:ROUTINE media releases -- that is the kind of subject deserving of a standalone article. Some editors, no matter how many times you explain Wikipedia's policies to them, just don't get it. I hope you are one of the editors that will get it. I'd be happy to start working on your article proposal but the time required will surely overstep the duration of this AfD.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:47, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * It wouldn't be a list. It would look something like Ben Yehuda Street bombings. How much time do we have? It's 11 pm here (my time on my user page is incorrect) I've been up all day. But I also, would be glad to work on it too and put off my painting - that'd be the 100th time I put off work for wikipedia work. the eloquent peasant (talk) 02:51, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * the eloquent peasant AfDs run for seven days. I would say we have a day and a half before this one expires. Usually when I create an article, especially one of this magnitude, I spend a day alone just gathering the sources required. I don't think it would be wise to work against a deadline. Here's an idea: you support redirecting the page temporarily to terrorism in Egypt then we can simply move the redirect to the new article once it is completed. There is nothing against changing a redirect if it links to a closely-related page like the one you proposed.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:04, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I trust you. Thank you for diligence, my goodness. You're quite diligent. I'll be glad to help as I can with the "new article", as well. the eloquent peasant (talk) 03:06, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * the eloquent peasant I'll start gathering sources after a good night's sleep. It is 11 pm where you are but it's midnight here! I'll provide some links and we can work out more details then. Thank you for proposing the idea in the first place!TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:19, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Your etiquette and discipline were quite inspiring - Thank you and Have a good night! Peace. the eloquent peasant (talk) 03:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I changed my vote because creating a new article is not guaranteed. Lucky for you guys, I'll never again vote on an AfD again. the eloquent peasant (talk) 18:32, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

New article - my .02
Hi Grace! I thought maybe using Ben Yehuda Street bombings, as a guide. Just the other day, a VIP client talked to me about the Luxor massacre. These events stay in the minds of people. Grace, thank you again. I really have to go paint. Peace.

My suggestions (you can take 'em or leave 'em). You have much more experience than I do writing new articles.

So here goes nothing...

Article Name: Terrorism Against Egypt's Tourism is a series of attacks aimed at Egypt's tourists and monuments. The attacks are an attempt at destabilizing the country and damaging it's most important industry. It isn't only The Pyramids which attract millions of visitors to Egypt each year, it is the sea, often referred to as the Red Sea Riviera. When terrorist events happen in Egypt, it gives tourists pause for concern.

1898 Even as early as 1898, the Comité de Conservation des Monuments de l'Art Arabe  spoke of 'the satisfaction of Egypt's tourist'. The Comité de Conservation des Monuments de l'Art Arabe tasked itself with this function partly because of their understanding of the importance of sites like The Pyramids of Giza. The Grand Egyptian Museum, a multi-million dollar recent investment into Egyptian Tourism, will require extensive security due to terrorist desire to hurt Egypt's economy.

Attacks on Egypt's Tourism Industry and monuments goes back to ...

1970 1971 1997 Luxor massacre 2011 2016 Hurghada Knife Attack 2017 Hurghada Knife Attac etc.

The revolution in Egypt (Arab Spring) hurt tourism as well but those aren't considered terrorist attacks.

See also:
 * Timeline of the Sinai insurgency