Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Ali Sina (2nd nomination)

Alternative tests
(The following is copied directly from WP:BIO#Alternative tests)


 * Other tests for inclusion that have been proposed (but haven't necessarily received consensus support) include:


 * The professor test -- If the individual is more well known and more published than an average college professor (based on the U.S. practice of calling all full-time academics professors), they can and should be included. (For a discussion, see: Wikipedia talk:Notability (academics).)

From the context, this is obviously not meant to mean "any individual" who is "more published than an average college professor" ... it means "academics who are more (widely) published than their peers (i.e., an "average" college professor)" ... and since most (that is to say, more than 50%) full-time academics professors have never published anything after their dissertation or thesis, that makes somebody who writes the obituaries column for any newspaper "notable" by your interpretation of this  proposed  guideline, which you have quoted completely out of context in order to bolster your position.

As for the Search engine test, see Validity of the Google test:

"The Google test has always been and very likely always will remain an extremely inconsistent tool, which does not measure notability. It is not and should never be considered definitive."

You should also read, linked at the end of the article ... a large portion of those hits refer to either Bu-Ali Sina University or a Dr. Ali Sina from Indonesia, obviously not the same individual.

Entering my first name in Google gives 27,400 hits ... seven of the first ten returned are about me, and two of them are Wikipedia User and Talk pages! (I even found an archived chat post that I made in 1995 about a proposed MIME type ... is that sufficient proof that I have been an "Internet personality" for over a decade, and thus deserve an article in Wikipedia? I think not!)

That is all I have to say about that. &mdash; 19:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello 72.75.93.131,
 * 1. YES, the Professor test can apply to ANY person, WHETHER or not he's a college professor. OTHERWISE, you wouldnt SEE it in the "Alternative" tests section. Go ask some admin over the meaning of the Professor Test. Now, the Professor test on its own, is used on only College professors, but its used as a METER for measuring the popularity of ANY other individual. It can be a famous homeless man too. The Professor test can be applied to me, you or Ali Sina. Please go ask some admin about this. Its amazing how you failed to understand the application of the professor test.
 * 2. Ali Sina's first name brings 156,000,000 results in Google. You KNOW that you have to do the search by the full name in quotes, otherwise its idiotic to do a search. The search link that gives 80,000 hits for Google, puts his name in quotes and excludes Wikipedia and his own websites and I believe, even excludes another name that comes up that doesnt belong to him (Bu Ali Sina, e.g.). Do YOU have a website that ranks in the top 30,000? No you dont. Search engine popularitry DOES count, according to WikiPedia policy, so I reject your link saying that a million hits on Google dont mean anything. If they dont, go and change Wikipedia's policy for the Search Engine test.
 * The truth is that you nominated these articles for deletion because of that I. Mak82hyd and you're angry because he reverted your nice edits. So you thought to hell with this, lets teach these guys a lesson and get rid of these articles. Thats whats happening here.
 * --Matt57 23:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)