Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Allegations of apartheid (third nomination)

Hey everyone, just a thought: It would be nice to get more input in the AfD from the wider Wikipedia community, looking at it with fresh eyes. People get discouraged when there is a ton of tangential discussion to wade into. Hostile and sarcastic tones also discourage people from getting involved. Please try to stay on topic as much as you can. Kla'quot 15:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

POV sections

 * Here is my response to Kla'quot's question about the New Zealand section and "fairness." This sounds like an NPOV issue regarding that section, and it can be corrected by editing the article.  If there have been criticisms of the "allegations" against New Zealand, presumably there are reliable sources that say so.  And this assumes that the allegations against New Zealand are based on proper sources in the first place; if not, perhaps the whole section should be removed.  (And it is a section, not a whole article.)  But this is the regular Wikipedia editing process; there is no reason to refer to any other particular article to find out whether it is "fair" or not.  6SJ7 17:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Discussion on POV sections continued on Talk page. Kla'quot 16:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you seem to agree in principle that each section should neturally cover both sides of the debate for the relevant country or entity. Given the amount of work required to do that, and the fact that this article has been around for several months in more or less the form it's in today, I doubt a "keep and clean up" mandate will get quick results. For most entities there has been no effort at all to make the sections neutral (Israel being an exception, maybe the only one). This article needs to be removed from article space pronto and worked on in user space until it has at least some semblance of meeting content policies. Kla'quot 16:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Update: In the three days since I put a POV template on the article, not a single edit has been made to resolve the POV problem. Kla'quot 18:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * SOFIXIT -- Kendrick7talk 18:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A HEROIC EFFORT would be needed as Zleitzen explained so lucidly on the project page. Move the article to my userspace and I'll work on it as I have time ;)
 * I'm seriously considering splitting everything into subarticles, if the main article survives its AFD, and letting the AFDs fall where they may. I suppose I'll have to help User:Zleitzen with the Cuba article after all this -- maybe they'll be enough other apartheid articles that certain editors will releash the hounds; I do sympathize with what he wrote in an earlier version of his talk page: Am currently working on expanding information on Cuban articles from politics to cinema and culture. ... All comers are welcome to collaborate providing they leave their personal paranoias and political biases at the door. I can see why he's going nuts! become such a strong advocate of his position! -- Kendrick7talk 06:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC) the preceeding was not intended as a vio of WP:NPA!