Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Alley of Angels

Deleted for "lack of notability"? Seriously?
Children were murdered. Is that not notable?

The memorial exists. Is that not notable?

The article was referenced 100s, if not 1000s, of times, in a variety of media.

If it's so "not notable" all of a sudden, why don't you delete all the other versions in every language? Be honest with yourself. None of these half-measures. Just erase the whole thing from existence, and put up a plaque stating "Memory Holed By Ministry Of Truth", that would be more straightforward than this sneaky underhanded crap you're pulling.

Jesus Christ. I knew Wikipedia was biased, but this kind of blatant whitewashing of Neo-Nazi war crimes? Really? Nathank9000 (talk) 03:44, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Please read the general notability guideline and also deletion policy. The article was deleted due to lack of significant coverage in reliable and independent sources. Wikipedias in other languages are not of concern here. It may be widely talked about in propaganda but this does not mean it meets the criteria (and it seems this very AfD is now mentioned in propaganda). Mellk (talk) 04:07, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this removal should not have been done. For example, one of the reasons I read in the discussion "is only mentioned in passing by the single cited BBC (Russian-language) article" is false, as it is mentioned in 3 BBC articles. Mhorg (talk) 09:23, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * OK but these were not cited nor mentioned during the discussion. And they are still only a passing mention. Mellk (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * A mention in passing may be suitable for inclusion in a list of monuments. But a quoted mention by a Russian schoolteacher or war-affected Ukrainian isn’t even an example of a reliable source mentioning the monument in its own editorial voice. —Michael Z. 14:15, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * We have articles that are not even mentioned once by the BBC, and here it has been done at least three times (not to mention the countless Russian sources that talk about it). We are not talking about anything controversial, it is a monument dedicated to children, a rather important issue. We know the location of the monument and the names of the children to whom it is dedicated. The article on the English wikipedia is the only one to have been removed, while it is even present in the Ukrainian one. I wonder if we should talk to other users about the restoration of the article. Mhorg (talk) 15:58, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * If you can show sources per WP:GNG. Manyareasexpert (talk) 20:59, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No. The BBC does not cover this subject at least three times. An article about the occupation of Izium quoting an unnamed resident quoting in turn unnamed DNR militiamen who mention the name is not the basis for an article.
 * It’s deleted as unencyclopedic now, according to consensus. If someone writes a new stub in draft space with suitable sources demonstrating notability, then it could come back. —Michael Z. 01:03, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it is time to restore this article. The Times: "''Alley of Angels takes its name from a monument erected in Donetsk in memory of children killed by Ukrainian forces after pro-Russian separatists launched a military offensive in 2014 seeking independence.'" Mhorg (talk) 22:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)