Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Alpha Kappa Nu (second nomination)

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Alpha Kappa Nu
- :Articles for deletion/Alpha Kappa Nu - Alpha Kappa Nu was deleted as an attack page. It appears that this article describes a dispute with Alpha Phi Alpha as to which is the oldest Black fraternity. However, I don't believe that makes this article an attack page. Alpha kappa nu (note capitalization) was recreated, not exactly the same article. I have moved it to Alpha Kappa Nu for now. —Quarl (talk) 2006-09-24 21:06Z  *comment: by definition "Articles that serve no purpose but to disparage their subject or some other entity (e.g., "John Q. Doe is an imbecile"). This includes a biography of a living person that is negative in tone and unsourced, where there is no NPOV version in the history to revert to." It doesn't fit the standards of an attack page. Mykungfu 23:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * endorse keep: historically relavent and can be clarified via talk section. 150.210.226.6 22:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * endorse keep: 64.131.205.160 00:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * endorse deletion: The original article was clearly an attack page (as verified by several non-interested parties) written in retaliation for the author's inablility to gain consensus on his POV on the Alpha Phi Alpha page. The author has recently re-created the article, citing opinion articles as fact. No original document refers to Alpha Kappa Nu as (a) a fraternity, (b)an entity that was ever formally chartered or incorporated (c) an entity that "lasted several years" as the author states in the article. The author cites as established fact articles that are clearly an expression of opinion, including undergraduate college newspapers articles, one of which clearly misquotes its original source (this misquote is the basis for most of Mykungfu's claims about Alpha Kappa Nu, and he prefers to use it rather than the original source document from which the unattributed quote was taken). However, the author has a history of deleting, without discussion, any corrective edits, even if they cite the same information that the author cites. -Robotam 20:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

1. a local or national organization of male students, primarily for social purposes, usually with secret initiation and rites and a name composed of two or three Greek letters. 2. a group of persons associated by or as if by ties of brotherhood. 3. any group or class of persons having common purposes, interests, etc.: the medical fraternity. 4. an organization of laymen for religious or charitable purposes; sodality. 5. the quality of being brotherly; brotherhood: liberty, equality, and fraternity. 6. the relation of a brother or between brothers. Robotam is the original individual whom wrote of Alpha Kappa Nu as being an attack page. Any issue he brings up can be brought into the talk section. He is a member of Alpha Phi Alpha a rival fraternity which has a disputed claim of being the first inter collegiate black fraternity. Robotam has brought issue with Sigma Pi Phi the oldest black fraternity nationwide. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigma_Pi_Phi&action=history He has brought issue on whether or not it is even a fraternity when on it's national website it states, Sigma Pi Phi Fraternity http://www.sigma-pi-phi.net/. This only creates un necessary rhetoric and pointless arguing. 152.163.100.138 04:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * endorse deletion: PER ROBOTAM'S COMMENT. THIS USER USED AND IS PROBABLY STILL USING SOCKPUPPETS AND BLIND INTERNET ADDRESSES TO TRY TO BOLSTER HIS POSITION. HIS SOLE PURPOSE IS TO BE TO EDIT OTHER ARTICLE TO DISCOURAGE THE ONES HE HATES.-138.88.224.41 05:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * comment: 6 Distinct references are provided. Solely dealing with Alpha Kappa Nu. Reknown historians refer to Alpha Kappa Nu as a fraternity. It bore greek letters, was an organization on a college campus. Having a charter or incorporation aren't critera to being a fraternity, which is the basis of Robotam's argument. Fraternity by definition is

*comment: What I created was a neutral point of view, which Mykungfu's chooses not to include on his pages. His references were and are questionable; In addition to citing opinion pieces and personal webpages as fact, one webpage cited by Mykungfu as authority would actually change each time inaccuracies and inconsistencies were pointed out to him. The argument regarding Sigma Pi Phi is dubious; Alpha Phi Alpha is noted as "the first African-American intercollegiate fraternity." Mykungfu (under the often-blocked alias Bobbydoop and NinjaNubian) demanded Sigma Pi Phi be inserted into the Alpha article to "disprove" this, and began a revert war when he was shown that Sigma is not a collegiate organization. In addition, I am not a rival to Alpha Kappa Nu, because it does not exist. AKN was one of many attempts at forming a Black college organization prior to 1906 that unfortunately failed. All of the few original references to the organization refer to it in this manner: "Black-sponsored Greek letter organizations...might well have begun in 1903, but there were too few registrants to assure continuing organization." Taking his assertions that AKN (referred to as a "club," not "fraternity" in original sources) in the best light, there is still a legitimate dispute regarding the opinion that AKN was a fraternity that Mykungfu insists on presenting as fact (even as his own citations do not support them). But instead of debating these issues in good faith and building consensus, Mykungfu chose to write an article disparaging the orgaziation he does not like (Alpha Phi Alpha), describing other articles as "false" within the text of his own article. He later turned to harrassment and vandalism of other editors and pages, which is why he is currently blocked and writing in from an anon IP. -Robotam 17:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

*comment: an edorsement to keep One University (University of Houston) and One college (Morgan State) Website aren't personal websites. Regardless of whether or not an oganization (Sigma Pi Phi) is collegiate doesn't take aways from the fact that it is a fraternity. Revert war accusation is ridiculous. That was over numerous issues as can be seen by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Alpha_Phi_Alpha. Going by a classical definition fraternity that is provided Alpha Kappa Nu is a fraternity. Robotam has himself been accused of being a sockpuppet http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Robotam&oldid=76944904 while his Alias Ccson has been warned about 3rr violations this month on Wikipedia this month. I am wondering, where does it state the word false in the Alpha Kappa Nu article? This could easily take place in the talk section, not thru article deletion. 152.163.100.138 22:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC) '*Mykungfu, Your allegations are silly. You neglected to mention that one of the reasons that you are blocked (and thus writing and endorsing from multiple anonymous IPs) is because of repeatedly and falsely accusing others of violations such as sockpuppetry and 3RR, when you are the only interested party creating multiple edits, comments and harrassments from various aliases and blind AOL IP addresses, in some cases giving the appearance of multiple editors (for instance, the multiple blind AOL IP endorsements on this review). As I said before, I gladly welcome any investigation of my Wiki usage and, specifically, any interaction with you on Wikipedia. Respectfully and Truthfully, -Robotam 18:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)'

observation should note that there exists problems between Robotam, Ccson, Bearly and Mykungfu as can be obeserved here.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Robotam and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/NinjaNubian 152.163.100.138 00:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * endorse keep: on a side note this personal attack written by robotam in bold should be removed
 * endorse keep: beneficial article 205.188.117.13 22:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * endorse keep: per above written comment 152.163.100.138 06:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Delete
This article should be deleted on the speculative nature (POV) of the references provided and the author’s further misquoting of these references. Alpha Kappa Nu has been out of existence for 100 years. The only authentic proof of its existence at all is the picture provided. Membership roster and bios can be deduced by this picture, if one is desirous to labor in that original research.

However, and of the utmost importance, since there’s no written documentation to be found anywhere in the form of a Constitution, preamble, or mission statement, it’s speculative to conclude whether or not Alpha Kappa Nu was a club, society, fraternity, exclusive membership based on race, gender, or social status, academic, social, or service oriented (“strengthen the Negro voice at the city and the university”? Says who?), or otherwise. Presenting any such evidence as 100% fact on this or any other site, as well as any and all journal and newspaper publications provided as sources or in the making, should be avoided.

I whole-heartedly support deletion in its entirety.

Adisalee 16:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

so if it was listed as a black greek letter organization, would that be good enough for you? if you click on the picture you will see that it will enlarge and you'll see that it states "strengthen the negro voice" 64.131.205.160 01:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)



This article should be deleted because NinjaNubian/MyKungfu is using multiple IPs to endorse keep for article and terrorising Alpha Phi Alpha and Alpha Kappa Alpha. Bearly541 02:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Let's try to keep the tone civil around here. Also, Mykungfu's actions have no bearing on whether the article should or should not be kept. This is a referendum (of sorts) on the article, not on MKF. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

When an individual states that terrorising has been made that is very personal and not very civil. Mykungfu 18:19, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Bearly541 is molesting multiple pages with his personal touch. He should be stopped and put on block for at least a week!!! 150.210.226.6 22:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Bye.. AKN
Alas.. sad to say Alpha Kappa Nu's page will be gone. I do know it to be true. it had a nice little run though.. and can be seen on google via a search.. At least 100 years later it has some kind of legacy

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