Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Benjamin M. Emanuel (2nd nomination)

Keep:

Simple. It's notable that his father is a member of a known terror group (Irgun) organisation. This affects his son. His upbringing etc. Why cover this up?
 * No one's trying to cover anything up. By all means, put this information in Rahm's article.  The question is not "is this interesting information", but "has anyone written enough about this person to write an encyclopedia article".  So far, the answer seems to be "no".  Powers T 21:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Extended discussion about the nominator's statement

 * "Not notable as a mere member of the Irgun."
 * Incorrect. Every living member of the Irgun is notable as there aren't many left.
 * Do any other Irgun veterans have articles solely on the basis of having been members and survived 60 years?
 * Zvi Segal, Irgun member, is dead and did nothing notable yet he has his own wiki page that was created a year ago. Will you be tagging that page soon or is it just the page in question holds some interest for you? DeadNative (talk) 03:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Being a signatory of the Israeli Declaration of Independence gives him notability apart from his status as Irgun member. The Emanuel page "holds interest" in the sense that its subject lacks notability and I'd like it deleted as a consequence.


 * "Not notable as a pediatrician."
 * Incorrect again. His Chicago practice is/was one of the largest in the city.
 * Do look around Category:American pediatricians - you'll find most of them have done more than operate a large practice.
 * Like Harry Bakwin? You're stretching. DeadNative (talk) 03:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I won't vigorously defend Bawkin's claim to notability, but I will point out the article focuses on his status as an art collector and not a pediatrician. No, see for instance Benjamin Spock.
 * You'll forgive me if I don't entirely trust your motives. DeadNative (talk) 06:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Why should I? During this AfD, you've repeatedly dropped dark hints that I have sinister "motives" or an "agenda". That is intolerable, per WP:AGF, and should cease. Never once have I stated anything but purely Wikipedia-policy related motives for this deletion request. It is not your role or prerogative to impute these to me, but rather to counter my points (or else let them stand) on similarly policy-grounded motives. Biruitorul Talk 08:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "Why should I?"
 * OK. Don't forgive me. No matter to me. I've countered your points and stated my opinion. C ya.DeadNative (talk) 19:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * "Not notable as the father of three notable sons."
 * Yet again, incorrect. A father who raised three influential sons is worthy of his own little wiki page.
 * Parent notability should be established independently; notability is not inherited "up", from notable subordinate to parent.


 * "Can easily be covered in their biographies without a separate article."
 * I now have a macro for "incorrect again". It's far easier to just have one page to refer from the pages of the Emanuel sons.DeadNative (talk) 02:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Saying "the son of Irgun veteran and Chicago pediatrician Benjamin M. Emanuel" three times is not especially repetitive. Biruitorul Talk 03:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * HIGHLY inefficient. That's like writing the same code over and over again in a program rather than reference a subroutine. If Ben's going to get mentioned over and over, he might as well have his own page.DeadNative (talk) 04:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's not exaggerate - he has but 3 notable children, and including the same brief phrase in there is fine, especially as Benjamin himself is not especially notable. For precedent, see for instance Lech Kaczyński and Jarosław Kaczyński. Biruitorul Talk 06:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)