Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Bmcabana SF

moved from AFD

 * Comment Yes, I didn't log in because I'm using a mobile device, IP policy alsoIP address, outlines that different editors may use the same IP address in some instances, but in this case, the IP has not made an edit before because this is my new device, I never used it to log on my Wikipedia account, normally I use my desktop. a vote is a vote, sometimes they come from people who don't have registered accounts, that don't stop them from taking part in this discussion. IP is not a concern now, but whether the article should be kept or not, my last edit has nothing to do with this discussion.Taking a break doesn't mean my days as a visitor/reader and editor are over.the comment above is not even supported by policy, lets avoid sabotage Thank you MukwevhoM (16:02 AM 30 July 2021) (CAT)
 * As mentioned in the nomination, this article has a long history of sockpuppetry when you have 4 IPs show up in an AFD and forcing users' signature instead of the standard signature this is absolutely important to point out as these become signs of vote canvassing if not sockpuppetry. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 15:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment The investigations for sockpuppetry are still under way, not to neglect that you have a point. IP editing is allowed on Wikipedia, if not it was not going to be allowed, i understand you might feel that editing shuold allow full registration, i also feel that way, but the choice remains with the user to edit logged in or not as you have the option to choose to edit logged in and also the option to edit without logging in, the fundamental is decided by the editor/user. But the discussion needs to go fourth.

Decisions on Wikipedia are primarily made by WP:Consensus, IP address checking was never a way of achieving consensus. Proper concerns are raised during discussion, IP never been a factor, im certain that you once made an edit withoiut loggin in, the reason remains with you and never you been asked about it till today, so why raise it in this discussion. (05:35 PM 30 July 2021) (Cat)
 * it's a violation of WP:SIGFORGE which all of these IP editors committed by attempting to forge another editors signature. We cannot confirm they are in fact the user in question and they would have just been better off signing with the IP and being marked as SPAs. If they really wanted to come back after and claim the comments they could log in and edit the signature with the proper ~ . McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 16:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment you are asking way too much ar the same time, first you nominated the article for deleion to be discussed and now you want it to move to draft space, know your limits, this proves that the article deserves to be on Wikipedia, you are just trying to lack it behind. i disagree with you on all grounds, much work still needs to be done on Wikipedia, more like having to serve personall agendas. i think the consensus will just have to say it all. Since it focuses more on policy addresing on a broader level. (05:42 PM 30 July 2021) (Cat)


 * Comment Your message notice at the top of this talk page starts with "I", This shows that you have taken the matter personal from the start. taking things personal is never a good sign, because editorial warring might arouse. i intellectully not encouraging that in any case. Thank you. (05:53 PM 30 July 2021) (Cat)
 * That message you are referring to at the top above this moved discussion was you. You posted that here when the AFD was started . You asked for it to be moved to the Draft space. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 17:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay fellow editor why move it to this talk page if the comment was not made by you? only move your comments. Because now you are causing confussion as some of us are only here for the discussion. you just trying to cause chaos. This is why we are warned to avoid editting other editors comment because it leads to confusion. and you know it but choose to violate that warning. (07:42 PM 30 July 2021) (Cat)
 * Wow you don't get it, I didn't move that comment here, you posted it here at the start of the AFD. I only moved the conversation about tagging the IP edits which forged user signatures, which had nothing to do with the article itself. This would allow for an easier continuation of the discussion about the article without the other crap that has nothing to do with the article. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 17:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC)