Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Brhmaand Pujan

Dec 18, 2007 =Recently I have added 6 translation of news/reviews= On Naresh Sonee & Brhmaand Pujan ,All concerned notability / reliable sources could your goodselves witness there. News/reviews on above pages in question, please see &check if you are satisfied. Still If your goodself have any doubt or stay un convinced. Kindly spare time and read my discussion page. However if you still insisit I can add few more news/reviews and also can raise a temperory/permanent website carrying  'original scanned newspapers photos in Hindi' of news/reviews which will reflect there. I can give a permanent link in below references or below translated news, clicking on the URL any one can verify facts concerned to my wikipedia article or news/ review translated there.You will find the tranalation all accurate. I once again sincerly regards and empathy to all of your concerned doubts.Howsoever I want to satisfy/convince all of you, once for all. -truly- Alan Sun- --Dralansun (talk) 18:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

=Dear Anarchia= I am Alan Sun, First of all please forgive me as I am popping or approaching in to answer your good self queries without  taking your permission. I admit such is a non etiquette from my side as your letter is addressed to ‘Graeme’  and not me. However, you reserve full right to raise any sort of  objection. But if you permit I would like your good self to consider my voice too, before Graeme reply to your good self. Within couple of days I will be posting Hindi language news papers reviews and news of various news papers of india. Kindly find a Hindi reader or translator to verify my claim

Answeringall of your questions. First of all. All popular search engine like google or yahoo give strong and enough reasons to believe that ‘Naresh Sonee’ has more than 20 pages on any search engine  to his credit. By just writing ‘Naresh Sonee’ on any search window. The pages automatically appears. For instance … All below searches are related to Naresh Sonee. Just now I wrote Naresh Sonee on google   Results are ,,,,, http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=Naresh+Sonee+&btnG=Search&meta= By writing … Time God Naresh Sonee http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=Time+God+Naresh+Sonee+&btnG=Search&meta= By writng… Naresh Sonee Pope http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=Naresh+Sonee+pope&btnG=Search&meta= By writing …. Gay Demand Bush Tony http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=Gay+Demand+Naresh+Sonee+&btnG=Search&meta= http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=Gay+Demand+Naresh+Sonee+&btnG=Search&meta= and the search comes on and on…..

Now the question is a ‘voice’ is a voice & a news is a ‘news’. You self can raise or other raise for you. Shakesphere promoted self. Many great revolutionary leaders came out with their own news papers. Such thing -Either they come from a lay man or Benedict Pope is immaterial. Writers are writers whether they are renowned or anonymous. When a media and mass reports an information. They are for mass ears and minds to think, talk and act. When a sensational issue is raised for the betterment of the world on a whole the  development or revolution  may begin from a scratch. Great concerns from a ‘no man’ from alien countries should not be under estimated. If an author ignore to care Literary Communities that does not prove he is a fellow without act or art. Some poor writers don’t have money to get register with such communities. So if they can’t effort or are unable that do not prove they are nuts.

To your second question raised - Infact, Though I am an English but has strong examples to prove  that English Literary Community give a rare third degree approach to third countries writers specially from place India where British once ruled. If it is not ego but otherwise. And if you speak about this queen’s language, you see when it comes to  US English. It hopelessly differ from UK English. That doesn’t mean that the US or third countries writers’ ‘thoughts or information have no crucial  value for Wikipedia or world.

Anarchia, The discussion may never end if we go on discussing or discouraging a non English writer of third country disqualifying his wise views which are actually novel and one of its type. Wisdom cannot be ruled out from the author in question. Poetry writing or criticizing poetry of others are two great issue need not to be debated here. I had tried once but I ended with writing none. And that promoted me to write for Sonee. He has a wonderful rhyming art of writing in self language Hindi and my mother tongue. Study on internet. On the contrary we learned people, should never ignore the fact that what all it take to learn other’s country language. Yes Anarchia it’s real hard. And this fellow I have said is a college drop out. But I have seen that in poetries he can give tuff to any English poet. Today people are appreciating Haiko and what not. Even when brilliant readers or audience don’t understand what it mean, they applaud.

Anarchia, I had have being trying to learn Hindi since nine long years but I ended no where till date. So I gave up and started improving at least my mother tongue. And that’s what we are all doing here. Giving or learning how to write or give final touch. But I am horrible in writing you know now. But I feel you greatly can understand my feeling. And that what is important. So unless one understand the rigorous pain one under go or experience while learning other’s language, one can never empathy or estimate the pain on the other side.

Dear Anarchia, leave learning other’s language but I don’t feel the shame to say that I am very bad in commanding my own language ‘my mother tongue English’. It make me hard to believe that -Graeme who once rejected and omitted my page on Sonee a year back has turned out to be an  angel  for me now. Even you.

However, till today I did never knew you & he or some one else appearing angels were editing my page. I was very happy un till now, when I came to know from your addressed letter above to Graeme. I request not to knock me out. It will take time, but certainly I am gathering his Hindi Poems which will be put and translated here with your good selves approval. It appear from my page that dear Graeme and your good self have edited and beautified, transformed  a lot by sparing or  allotting your precious time to my pages.

Anarchia, You see Needless to say Sonee is already hated by many as because the blunt issues he is raising fearlessly are enough controversial. It’s like opening a Pandora box of hatred. His life is at stake. So you will never come across Sonee’s photo anywhere. Many working behind the wikipedia itself may dislike this person if they happen to be very religious or  from LGBT cult. In future too there are many chances that such communities and cults come on this page, and would criticize Sonee’s view point or subject the matter for deletion.

Few more example I wish to be amicably debated by wise Brilliant Editors  concerned to Wikipedia and this I address to your good self  too.

For instance, 1) In Wikipedia you come on many  personal site of people who all had created their own individual name page, showing their profile etc which look more like advt. or hobby info.

2) On wikipedia seekers and searchers  get information of a Hollywood individual who selfly promote,  produce, direct, edit and act in own film and then  list them in Wikipedia. Does this self promoter or producer  require to take any university, acknowledgment as reliable source ? Needless to stamp that such people are thorough doing biz or advt.on wikipedia.Actors grow rich without noble act or cause. Unlike them Sonee is a non professionalist to promote self which wise can empathy and understand. You must have read me on his page.

3)Same reasoning of reliability goes for Messiahs and Prophets like Jesus, Ram, Mohamed, Buddha. Except one all were non English. Which reliable source can guarantee that they actually took birth ( existed)  and were magical in act/or just fairy tails floated for professionalize religions ? , Can Historiography  prove the  existence of  1000 year past-  God or God men? Can you de list  or delete Jesus from Wikipedia? posing him a poor  illiterate Shepard ? Was he from literary community , oxford, Cambridge or otherwise? But  If you still feel Literary community is essential to stamp , acknowledge  or ascertain his views. Then perhaps I can't succeed to get approval from you. However, Apart from poems or writings Sonee can be listed  for great thoughts, a global thinker, philosopher, a revolutionary etc..

3) Penguin can be a private publishers and money generator for self or other on professional term . Immaterial to big or small, poor or rich , remote or world known publishers . Should all be acknowledge as reliable sources under one eye. whether they selfly publish their work or give to some one else.

4) News Papers/Media, run by private or collective individuals big or small, famous or remotely known should they be considered as reliable source? If they provide free information. I can give add their reviews and news in Hindi of various Indian news papers. I can also provide Indian HRRD Government registration number of Sonee's book in question.

Anarchie, this Letter is scribbled to your good self urgently. Please try to understand my pain or feelings of convincing you. I apologies to debate but you see I am trying to get into Wikipedia this informative exposure since more than a year. –‘Thoughts & Guts make a revolution’. People like you and me should come forward to appreciate and encourage Naresh Sonee’s contribution to the world with a big supportive heart of wisdom or generosity. My sense or instinct says the page should come up. And You should be there on me to guide and guard this page along with Graeme for ever till you stay here. I request you. Thoughts and Acts of World should get clean up. People should know the selfless philanthropically activities Naresh Sonee is attempting or living for without any professional  self interest or gains. Only wise, nice and sane thoughts can unite and shape the world and that what Sonee is trying. Your brilliant self, & Wikipedia should help the cause. At last I request to stay on this page and help Graeme. Already you have done a lot by improving or cleaning it. True Regards. God bless you always. -AlanSun--203.194.97.33 (talk) 15:50, 11 December 2007 (UTC)