Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Emay (rapper)

Initial Publication: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emay (rapper)
Bearcat appears to have made accusations that violate both WP:DNB and WP:AGF. TipsyElephant (talk) 14:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Musician's Notability
John Pack Lambert has suggested that Emay "does not meet any of our notability guidelines for musicians", however, Notability (music) states that an artist is notable if they have "released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)". Emay has released an album with Last Gang Records, which has a history of 17 years and a roster available on wikipedia of 63 different artists. Emay has also released an album with Jet Jam, which according to wikipedia has a history of 8 years and according to Jet Jam's website has signed at least 8 artists. Notability (music) states that an artist "may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria" and from a quick glance Emay meets four of them (1, 5, 6, and 7). TipsyElephant (talk) 14:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Article Redemption or Recreation
I have attempted to rewrite the article objectively and remove unnecessary references. Are there any further actions I can take to save the article or is it doomed to be deleted simply because the subject is not notable enough? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC) TipsyElephant (talk) 14:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Start Over
Bearian has suggested that the page be subjected to WP:TNT. I assume this is because the reference bombing is still present in the article's history and the only way to remove that history would be to startover. Is there a rule against taking what is in the article now and copying it into a new article so the history can be deleted or is that not allowed? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Notability
Bearian has also suggested that the subject of the article is barely notable. After reading the article barely notable I would like to note that Emay at least qualifies for semi-notable as "there is some usable coverage of it in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, but not [quite] a sufficient amount to write a good encyclopedic article." and is definitely bordering on notable because "there is [almost] enough usable coverage of it in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject to write a good encyclopedic article". I would also like to point out the section on an alternative view, which seems to indicate that there are no grounds for deleting a page because it is "barely notable" as that still qualifies as being notable. TipsyElephant (talk) 14:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Please note that the simple existence of a small handful of media coverage is not in and of itself a sufficient condition for a Wikipedia article. Reliable source media coverage is obviously a necessary condition, but such coverage also has to provide verification that the topic has accomplished something that would pass one or more of WP:NMUSIC's achievement-based criteria. But also, please note that the talk page of the AFD discussion is not the place to declare war on the things people are saying in the discussion — it's unproductive, and can actually get you hit with a temporary editblock for being disruptive. Bearcat (talk) 15:08, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have provided "verification that the topic has accomplished something that would pass one or more of WP:NMUSIC's achievement-based criteria" above. Under the section header Musician's Notability, which was written in response to John Pack Lambert claims. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:17, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I am also a newcomer and I'm still trying to figure out what the talk page is supposed to be. I didn't even realize I could edit the main article entitled "Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Emay (rapper)" for almost a week, which appears to be the cutoff date for when the article is reviewed for deletion. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:20, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I also wasn't intending to declare war on anyone. I'm simply pointing out rules that I've recently become aware of that seem to apply to the given context. If noting that you violated both WP:DNB and WP:AGF is offensive than please refrain from it in the future. I'm attempting to follow the motto "Remember, our motto and our invitation to the newcomer is be bold.", which so far has only lead to being threatened with punishments like article deletion and temporary bans. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:36, 3 April 2020 (UTC)