Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Genocide against Palestinians

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The article discussed here denigrates the term genocide. In addition, it puts the project of Wikipedia in a bad light. Among the many examples of this throughout the article is the presentation of the "facts" without any indication of the context of the period and the events Although from a historical point of view the context of the events receives clear references to reasons for many actions rationally and in comparison to similar cases both in the causal context and in the moral context. Not showing the basic information in the entry means showing propaganda. Moreover, NPOV is a serious offense in encyclopedic writing. מי-נהר (talk) 21:23, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The article does not violate any encyclopedic policies. In addition, as substantiated by the article itself and sources attached, the usage of the term genocide is an appropriate name for the events described. 2600:8807:C600:EF60:CED:466B:D6B7:B868 (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I support merging into Criticism of Israel, or deleting this article. This article is about an interpretation of the Israel-Palestine conflict and the suffering caused to Palestinians. The claim that there is a genocide against Palestinians is not broadly accepted and therefore a Wikipedia page with such a name suggests that there is a broad consent that the genocide against Palestinians is a fact rather than an interpretation.
 * Omri2424 (talk) 19:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename to something without "genocide". This page describes an approach to the Israel- Palestine conflict. Genocide has a strict definition and there is no wide concent that there is a genocide against the Palestinians. The title gives a wrong impression of a fact rather than an approach.

Clarinette72 (talk) 11:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Removing this page, as you suggest, is a flagrant denial of almost a century of well documented and undeniable war crimes. Such a suggestion is in itself an attempt to further the denial of these events and is an injustice to the victims.
 * To accuse documenting such things as "propoganda" is a shameful attempt to silence the victims and condone their suffering.
 * We have seen many genocides in the past hundred years, and seen many an analysis of what enabled or prolonged them. Calling for the deletion of pages like this shows just how little we have learned from the past. 2.103.39.70 (talk) 22:00, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There is more than one article describing those crimes. Deleting this page will not harm the documentation of the crimes.
 * On the other hand, a Wikipedia page with the name "Genocide against Palestinians" suggests that this so called genocide is a fact, although it's not a fact but rather a controversial interpretation for the Israel- Palestine conflict.
 * This is highly misleading. Genocide is an unambiguous term, which doesn't apply in this case. Therefore I find this article's name misleading, which by itself isn't a reason to delete a page, but also, I find this article unnecessary since all the proven crimes are well documented in other Wikipedia pages.
 * Unnecessary and misleading articles should be deleted. The proper place for such a controversial interpretation- is one of the other pages about the conflict. Omri2424 (talk) 08:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it is a controversial opinion, The UN's "Genocide Convention (1948)" describes genocide as "a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part." Looking at the ongoing siege of Gaza, this has been referred to by many humanitarian organisations as a war-crime as it is collective punishment of non-military civilians in a conflict which is heavily motivated by religious and racial divide. This is just one example of one war-crime which has been ongoing for many years. This is not at all "rather a controversial interpretation for the Israel- Palestine conflict", this is a very common opinion shared by much of the humanitarian world.
 * The term 'Genocide' is a perfectly apt term to use.
 * To clarify, I oppose the deletion of the page (not the merging), and I oppose to the removal or drastic weakening of the word 'Genocide' on the topic. 2.103.39.70 (talk) 11:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * As you quoted:
 * "a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."
 * At no point, there was an intention to destroy the palestinians. The siege on gaza can't be considered an attempt to genocide the palestinians. The situation is complicated, and using the word "gonocide" isn't appropriate to describe complicated situations, especially here, when a genocide is clearly not happening. Words like crimes, modern apartheid and more, can truly depict the misery of the palestinians. Genocide can't. Omri2424 (talk) 12:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I would like to clarify- that here, "modern apartheid" only refers to the situation in the west bank, where on one piece of land there are two different rule systems, one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians. When I write "modern apartheid" I criticize only the Israeli policy in the west bank, and not the Israeli policy anywhere else.
 * Omri2424 (talk) 08:58, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * the article is helpful and there is statistical support and Evidence from UN for the term genocide as this is the definition what state of Israel is doing to palestine. Exactly same as the other wiki page Srebrenica massacre. 2001:14BA:4A65:3000:B8C1:95DA:6B24:98CA (talk) 18:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Srebrenica massacre is a different story than what is going on, since in the case of Srebrenica massacre, armed forces intentionally killed unarmed people (the death of innocent people wasn't a tragic side- effect of a war, but rather an intentionally slaughter).
 * The IDF doesn't intentionally kill unarmed citizens. If you claim that the IDF does, than you must backup your claim with strong evidence from a reliable and uncontroversial source.
 * Srebrenica massacre resembles what happened in Israel on 07.10.2023, when about 2,000 Hamas "militants" slaughtered more than 1,000 unarmed Israeli citizens (and still counting), and created other atrocities.
 * The numbers in Srebrenica massacre are higher of course, but the intention of killing innocents and destroying a certain population is the same in both cases. Do you believe that what Hamas did also falls under the definition of genocide? I am carious to hear your your opinion.
 * Omri2424 (talk) 10:39, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Keep and rename. I can't vote in this article, so I'll provide a quick summaary of my points from the talk page. Firstly, it should be kept because the topic is notable enough to warrant an article and is well-sourced. Secondly, the article should be renamed "Allegations of genocide against Palestinians" or something in that vein. Renaming it to "Allegations of" is a perfect compromise that should eliminate much of the issue people have with neutrality and get us as close to a consensus as we are likely to get. Additionally, this site has considered false allegations related to genocide notable enough to have their own article even if they are false (see "Holocaust denial" and "Rwandan genocide denial"). Thus, an allegations article would only need to be well-sourced and pass a notability test. HalfHazard98 (talk) 22:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * summary* apologies for the typo HalfHazard98 (talk) 22:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * And to be clear, I'm not saying the allegations are false, only that if you think they are, you should no have no problem with an "allegations" page. HalfHazard98 (talk) 22:14, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe "Alleged Genocide against Palestinians" is an appropriate name for the article, since strictly speaking there is no genocide against Palestinians. Although I admit that "Allegations of genocide against Palestinians" is also a solution to this dispute since there is no doubt that such allegations exist.
 * Omri2424 (talk) 09:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

New articles by The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/the-language-being-used-to-describe-palestinians-is-genocidal

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/israel-gaza-mass-evacuation-ethnic-cleansing

I don't know. How much more notable and well-sourced can this topic get? HalfHazard98 (talk) 03:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


 * https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/18/israel-gaza-hamas-palestinians HalfHazard98 (talk) 22:05, 26 October 2023 (UTC)