Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Goa Island (India)

Unlinking
I didn't unlink this when I deleted, because it's not 100% clear to me that it's an invalid topic (at least to have as a redirect). I express no opinion either way, just that it felt too content-dependent to do as an admin action; if either of you feels unlinking to be appropriate, feel free. If so inclined, note that some of the backlinks may occur in contexts that can be reverted under WP:BANREVERT, as I've indeffed the creator as an sock. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 15:27, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

A hasty delete
Greetings.

I noticed the controversy over this article and since I imagine the geography of western India is not everybodys strong suit, I felt like I could provide some insight to clarify a misunderstanding... Folks clearly got carried away when they deleted this article.

For the record, there is  indeed a "Goa Island", it's called Tiswadi or Tissuari... which lent its name to a sub-district which includes not only just Goa Island but also a number of other riverine islands as well. The Island of Goa is bound by the Zuari River to the south, the Mandovi River  to the north, and the Cumbarjua Canal  to the east. On this island stood the capital of Portuguese India for 450 years.

The user who nominated the article for deletion sadly did not know enough about the subject and neither did the users who supported the deletion, I'm afraid.

What ought to happen therefore is, this article should be renamed "Tiswadi (island)" and the other which already exists should be renamed "Tiswadi (sub-district)".

Sources:


 * Mandovi river marked the northern and the Zuari river the southern coast of the main island of Tissuari, though several smaller islands were also included in the territory of Ilhas."


 * "Tissuari Island, or the Island of Goa, prior to being incorporated in the Bijapur state, had been a Hindu settlement during the early days of Vijayanagar dynasty (fourteen century)."


 * "The capital of Noa Goa is in effect located on an island, known as Ilha Tissuari, since distributaries separate the surrounding area from the mainland"


 * "The heart of the territory of Goa was an island some 166 kilometers in extent known as Tiswadi (or "Tissuari" to the Portuguese, from tis vadi or "thirty settlements")

Is this somehow not clear enough?

Pinging @Tamzin @C.Fred and @Rejoy2003. Wareno (talk) 22:47, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I deleted the article not due to anything said in this AfD, but because the article was written entirely by a sockpuppet. If you'd like to take responsibility for the article's contents (or immediately remove anything you won't take responsibility for), I'm happy to undelete and reopen the discussion. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 22:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't actually see the article in question, I merely came across a speedy deletion for an article which folks seemed to think it was some sort of hoax. All I'm saying is, such an island exists. Wareno (talk) 22:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wareno Not only does the article exist, but we already have an article on it: Divar. —C.Fred (talk) 23:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @C.Fred Thanks, though I'm not exactly sure what's so hard to understand that Tiwadi island =/= Divar island. Two different islands. Not the same thing. Wareno (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wareno: So, I can restore the deleted article to your userspace if you'd like, and you can decide if there's anything salvageable there or if you'd rather start over from scratch. (I'd just warn you, if you do salvage anything, to thoroughly check the sources. This sockmaster has a history of misrepresentation.) Then you're welcome to recreate under the new title. (And anyone else is welcome to AfD anew if they still have issues with it.) -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 00:53, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tamzin sure I'll take a look. Wareno (talk) 15:25, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The issue with Tiswadi or Tissuari island is a bit complicated. I never intended to make a concrete research when I took this article to the AFD. It was a mere fact that the sources mentioned by the author was simply not verifiable with the content or context of the article. The whole "Goa Island or Island of Goa" seemed pretty superficial to me. Added to the fact that it was the OP's second time doing something like this.
 * Still if you're insisting on creating on the article about Tissuari island or Island of Goa or to any related name terms, I'd suggest to tread wisely. For now the topic on this is rather confusing and needs proper scrutiny and research. On the other hand I somewhat feel, the subdistrict island and the island you're talking about are the same, so I wouldn't want us to have a duplicate article instead. Rejoy2003(talk) 06:46, 14 August 2023 (UTC)