Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Gurunath

Commentary of vote by Baba Louis
The nominated redirect was speedily kept as the nomination was withdrawn. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 10:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC) 'The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'
 * Comment - Who was the first person to even edit a Gurunath page? I suggest you look before indulging in accusations.  If anything I would point to the reverse scenario.  Hamsacharya dan 20:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - you were. And because it was an inappropriate redirect, it was listed on Redirects for Deletion, and is in the March archives . The result of the nomination was "Keep: Rather than deleting, edit into a description of the title." which was done by your old friend Adityanath... Here's a copy of the archived entry:
 * Gurunath &rarr; Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath -- Gurunath is a title used by people other than the redirect subject. For example, the current leader of my lineage is Shri Gurunath Kapilnath. Adityanath 12:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep: Rather than deleting, edit into a description of the title. HTH HAND Phil | Talk 18:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Advice taken. Thanks. Adityanath 19:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment This doesn't address the topic of this AfD, which is the issue of notability. Google hits for Gurunath consist of 50,000 given names, titles, and religious proclamations.  The only individual that gets more than a few Ghits for Gurunath is Yogiraj Gurunath.  Wikipedia has already deemed twice (based on two AfD's - you and I both attempted at different times to have Yogiraj Gurunath page deleted) that he is notable enough to keep on wikipedia.  I don't think "Gurunath" by itself has any use to be on wikipedia.  So either the page should be deleted, or it should be a simple redirect to Yogiraj Gurunath.  Also don't forget that until proven otherwise, you are still a confirmed sockpuppet of Adityanath per wp:rfcu..  Hamsacharya dan 03:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Since the word is a title and not a name, it would be inappropriate to redirect to any one individual. User:Hamsacharya dan is a student of Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath who is trying to inappropriately promote his guru on WP. In point of fact, his guru is no more prominent than Shri Mahendranath. "gurudev mahendranath" gets 920 Ghits and "Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath" actually gets a few less, 910 Ghits . Surely if it is true that the use of the word as a title predated Shri Mahendranath, it must be listed in a dictionary or two which can be cited. Other editors have provided no cites, only anecdotes. ---Baba Louis 15:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Question: What do you think the word "Gurunath" means?  Guru + Nath = Spiritual teacher + Irradiant Lord .  These are ancient words that come from an ancient spiritual/religious context.  Isn't that how we often name our children in the west - based on religious or biblical connotations?  Well it's no different in the East.  That why the word Gurunath came to be used to name children in India.  Isn't that obvious? Not the other way around - Mahendranath didn't take a "given name" and turn it into a religious title.  That's ludicrous and probably unprecedented.  It's like saying "You have achieved a great spiritual stature.  I now bestow the title of 'Jimmy' on you."  Maybe in Wikipedia getting a title of "Jimbo" might mean something great...but that's neither here nor there.  The term Gurunath has been used as a title for saints and avatars for thousands of years.  "Bolo Sri Sat Gurunath Maharaj Ki Jai" is a proclamation that is perhaps millenia old. Here are some refs to appease the skeptics:            Hamsacharya dan 19:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - what's obvious is that if it was previously used as a title, it would have a dictionary entry or academic reference. Feel free to visit the library. I've looked myself, but didn't find one. ---Baba Louis 20:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - and it still doesn't have one, even AFTER Mahendranath. So that tells us absolutely nothing.  Compounded with the fact that most sanskrit texts have never been translated.  Hamsacharya dan 15:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - it doesn't really matter, does it, whether Gurunath is a name or a title, you cannot redirect it to Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath. As a title, it has been given to other documented individuals. As a name, it is the name of numerous individuals. Would you redirect "John" to some individual named John who happens to currently have more Google hits than any other John? You are not making sense. This AfD is a bad faith effort to delete this article only so you can make an inappropriate redirect. I suggest you withdraw it. ---Baba Louis 17:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - whether they decide to redirect it is up to the voters. It was just a suggestion, which I feel to be a valid one.  Hamsacharya dan 19:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)