Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Jet Bike Steve

I no longer want to have any part in this discussion and would like to remove all my contributions to this page. I'm happy for you to delete the original Article or transfer it to Simon Pegg's page, whatever you feel is right - but after the way I've been treated here on Wikipedia and continue to be treated I want no part in the discussion. I wish to remove my contributions so please revert the articles for deletion page. I know if I try to revert the article for deletion page I'll be wrongly accused again of entering an Edit War or something.Pjhirst (talk) 04:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry you have found your time in Wikipedia a difficult one. There are a couple of things you might want to consider.  Everyone here is a volunteer that donates their time to provide a quality product for all that might feel the need to use Wikipedia. It is a community that strives for quality and consistency through consensus.


 * The AfD process is a good example of this type of consensus. Unfortunately, the processes that are part of the Wikipedia environment are sometimes a bit difficult to understand and are sometimes seen as undue bureaucratic "mumbo-jumbo".  Believe me, the process is well thought out and is one that is based in fairness and equality.  The discussion is utilized to insure the article is given a fair chance to meet the criteria for article to be included in Wikipedia.  Your comments are not only welcome, but are essential in insuring the article has been given a chance to survive.  Sometimes even experienced editors are surprised that comments made by others can evoke better paths of discussion that can be utilized to save an article.  Because the AfD is an open discussion, the comments can be frank and to the point; however, the comment are generally not focused at the people making the comments, but rather the comments.


 * I have noticed that on occasion you have strayed toward uncivil comments either directly made to an other editor or placed in edit summaries. You may want to look at WP:UNCIVIL and note that everyone probably gave you a bit of leeway since you are not an experienced user.  Your concern about the SPA tag is understood; however, the tags can also be used to designate a new user that might need a bit more hand-holding to help understand the AfD process.


 * I have left you a Welcome message on your talk page that has some valuable links to help you navigate the strange environment that is Wikipedia. If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page.  My best to you.    ttonyb  (talk) 05:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message above Tonytb, it's probably the first decent response I've had on this matter (though it reads a little patronising, but that is not your fault as you don't know anything about my experience etc, so I won't take it to heart). My uncivil comments arose from being treated uncivilly in the first place, and then continued to be so - I'm certainly not one to normally go down this track. I agree, I'm a new registrant on Wikipedia, but am certainly not new to this type of environment, nor do I consider any of it mumbo-jumbo. Should I add something to an article, in good faith (whether it is later deemed correct or not by peer review), it is highly frustrating for it to be deleted without so much as an explanation or 'talk'. This is especially important if it's from a new user. I wasn't adding anything made up by myself, I tried to ensure all references from the original source were correct. And then to stick big red warnings on my talk page without so much as a civilised chat was plain rude.
 * My concern about the SPA tag was valid - I don't mind being labelled a newbie, but to suggest I set up a special purpose account (SPA) for this article when my registration was a month before this subject even existed was simply ludicrous.
 * I think the issue in this case is probably a newbie administrator who perhaps needs some hand-holding in this role to ensure they don't continue to unduly upset other users.
 * Anyway, in this case I would still like to retract and remove all my comments from the article for deletion page which is surely a fair enough request, so if I do this, can I be assured they won't be simply reinstated again? Pjhirst (talk) 08:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)