Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Lady Mabel Fitzwilliam

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To the admin closing this AfD, please note a number of editors who have !voted on this !vote have been involved in vote canvassing and now what another administrator has called “lock step” voting. Over the past months a number of editors have been accused of !voting on the basis of what “they like” rather than using the rationale of wiki policies. A number of central users such as Astrotrain, Kittybrewster, Counter-revolutionary, David Lauder, Major Bonkers but at times have also included Fraslet and to a lesser extent  Weggie and Gibnews and also El chulito and Inthegloaming who I very strongly suspect are/were socks.


 * This is a personal attack which I presume comes from User:vintagekits but is not signed. I have two socks and am wearing them on my feet. The following long rant has nothing to do with this AfD and some of the comments made are of a threatening nature. --Gibnews 01:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It would be a rant if no evidence was provided. It has everything to do with this AfD as it is a continuing pattern of behaviour.--Vintagekits 01:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

All of the above can by generally stated as voting within the anti Irish republican and pro British unionist/ monarchist.

It started with Astrotrain nominating a number of Volunteers from the Provisional Irish Republican Army and canvassing during those !votes. Canvassing for AfD !votes for Raymond Gilmour

Since then there has been what I consider a systematic abuse of the AfD system with a number of a same editors arriving at an AfD on a subject which they either like or dislike and voting to delete or keep on POV rather then wiki policy. The first AfD that occur was –

James McDade AfD Nominated by Astrotrain. Result – ‘’’Keep’’’ 13 votes to Keep and 1 to Delete – that vote by as Astrotrain – therefore 100% of the delete !votes from “the group”.

Then [|Gerard Montgomery] – this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. However Tyrenius ended the AfD because of a source that stated that Montgomery was involved in a murder.

Then Antoine MacGiolla Bhrighde AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. Result – no consenus to delete, Keep 7 votes and Delete 7 votes – 5 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 71% of the delete votes to delete from “the group” in an article that was kept.

Then Charles Breslin AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. Result – no consenus to delete, Keep 4 votes and Delete 4 votes – 2 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 50% of the delete votes to delete from “the group” in an article that was kept.

Then Martin McGartland AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. Result – Keep, Keep 10 votes and Delete 1 votes – that of Astrotrains

Then Diarmuid O’Neill AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. Result – No consensus, This is where the real vote staking operation started and canvassing came into effect. Keep 20 votes and Delete 10 votes – 5 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 50% of the delete votes to delete from “the group” in an article that was kept. Note the first eight !votes were to Keep and that is when the canvassing started and since then there has been almost total lock step.

Then Charles Breslin AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. Result – no consenus to delete, Keep 4 votes and Delete 4 votes – 2 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 50% of the delete votes to delete from “the group” in an article that was kept.

Then we had a AfD of a biography relating to a member of the “British nobility”. This was the Robert_Murray_Arbuthnot AfD, this AfD was nominated by  Argyriou on the basis of non notability. Result – Delete, Keep 4 votes and Delete 9 votes – 3 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 75% of the votes to keep from “the group” in an article that was deleted

Again back to an Irish republican and the Martin_McCaughey AfD, this AfD was nominated by Tyrenius on the basis of non notability. Result – Keep, Keep 16 votes and Delete 12 votes – 7 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 58% of the votes to delete from “the group” in an article that was kept.

Similar behaviour and calls for deletion in an number of AfD’s of members of the Provisional IRA East Tyrone Brigade such as the Tony Gormley AfD – bios of each of those that were merged not deleted can be seen on the of the bottom of the page that they were merged to.

The  Óglaigh na hÉireann (CIRA splinter group) AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain received no delete votes and result was speedy keep'.

There are on going AfD’s which the same pattern at the Federal_Commonwealth_Society| (here is where admin MrDarcy highlights this potential stalk voting),  Lady_Mabel_Fitzwilliam and now here.--Vintagekits 01:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC


 * Warning: The above post has nothing to do with whether this user is notable or not. Please see his own relationship with User talk:One Night In Hackney if he should like to play at that game.--Counter-revolutionary 00:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * How is the fact that Astrotrain voted on Martin McGartland relevant? It clearly scuppers VK's allegations. It is perfectly true that sometimes I look at the contributons of other editors - as I note do others. So what? And Robert Murray Arbuthnot is an American lawyer not British nobility. - Kittybrewster 10:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The reason that I !vote for deletion on certain IRA members' biographies is because they are generally minor figures (like Tony Gormley) and appallingly partisan (see: Talk:Diarmuid O'Neill). There's no need to ascribe membership of a block to me - the low quality of the IRA memorial articles speaks for itself and is reason enough to get rid of them.--Major Bonkers 13:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)