Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Lorenzo Chiesa

Can somebody confirm why the following does not apply in this case:

All full professors at major research universities have sufficiently demonstrated that they are recognized experts in their subject to meet WP:PROF,and that WP:PROF is an alternative to WP:GNG. This is not a formal rule, but almost all AfD have had this result, except in fields where people here have doubts about the rigor, such as Education. (Major: in the US, Research Extensive in the Carnegie Classification + schools of similar rank; elsewhere, similar level). The rationale for this is that this is the basis on which people are promoted to such rank at such universities, and their judgment is more reliable than ours.) For those at lower level institutions, this is not automatic, and the judgment goes by individual cases; the rationale is that in such institutions people are often promoted to this rank based on lesser accomplishments or for other qualities than being a recognized expert in their subject.

I will look to do some further amendments over the next few days.Ananke83 (talk) 17:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Further queries / comments: 1. As an example of in-depth coverage of Chiesa's work, see Slavoj Zizek's "Disparities" (Bloomsbury, 2016), pp. 348-362.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=H8DcDAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=disparities+zizek&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilvpvfuNnTAhWJBsAKHSggBg8Q6AEIIjAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Chiesa is also mentioned on the back cover of the book along with Brandom, Pippin, Zupancic, Johnston, Malabou, Kristeva, Shakespeare, Schiller, and Beckett.

2. With a quick search, I have found at least ten books published by major academic publishers that engage with and quote Chiesa's work (see a sample below). This does not include journal articles and independent reviews of his work.

Lacan and the Concept of the 'Real' https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DSzk79OE488C&pg=PT13&dq=%22lorenzo+chiesa%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx4v6zvtnTAhUqIsAKHZDDCTI4HhDoAQhOMAY#v=onepage&q=%22lorenzo%20chiesa%22&f=false

Prolegomena to Any Future Materialism https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RfN7bqU-OhcC&pg=PR17&dq=%22lorenzo+chiesa%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU49HjvtnTAhVYOMAKHVoGB3k4MhDoAQg4MAQ#v=onepage&q=%22lorenzo%20chiesa%22&f=false

First Love https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=D28htnoJ3D8C&pg=PA23&dq=%22lorenzo+chiesa%22&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22lorenzo%20chiesa%22&f=false

Psychoanalysis is an Antiphilosophy https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bkyrBgAAQBAJ&pg=PR6&dq=%22lorenzo+chiesa%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU49HjvtnTAhVYOMAKHVoGB3k4MhDoAQgtMAI#v=onepage&q=%22lorenzo%20chiesa%22&f=false

Agamben and Theology https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lf-dJ37HmTIC&pg=PA195&dq=%22lorenzo+chiesa%22&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22lorenzo%20chiesa%22&f=false

Recording Reality, Desiring the Real https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=YBWtb8zbNBAC&pg=PR9&dq=%22lorenzo+chiesa%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU49HjvtnTAhVYOMAKHVoGB3k4MhDoAQhJMAc#v=onepage&q=%22lorenzo%20chiesa%22&f=false

The Parallax View https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=je702bo2Pl8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22lorenzo+chiesa%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1tPSTw9nTAhWsAcAKHeJnBUs4ggEQ6AEIRTAH#v=onepage&q=%22lorenzo%20chiesa%22&f=false

Derrida and Lacan: Another Writing https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5wWrBgAAQBAJ&pg=PR3&dq=%22michael+lewis%22+derrida&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiAs8LUxNnTAhVhOMAKHZJADn8Q6AEIIjAA#v=onepage&q=%22lorenzo%20chiesa%22&f=false

Women, Love, and Commodity Culture in British Romanticism https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NfVvxOMabgEC&pg=PA116&dq=%22lorenzo+chiesa%22&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22lorenzo%20chiesa%22&f=false

3. According to WorldCat Identities, Chiesa has 28 works in 60 publications in 5 languages and 3,613 library holdings

http://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no2005039934/

4. He is currently a visiting Professor at the European University at Saint Petersburg and was previously Full Professor of Modern European Thought at the University of Kent Ananke83 (talk) 20:27, 5 May 2017 (UTC)Ananke83

Hi girls and guys, I don't understand Kudpung กุดผึ้ง concerns, not to mention his proposed action to delete Chiesa's page. I know his work and have wondered why he doesn't have one already (thanks Ananke83 :) ). I don't see why "book reviews" (they are actually official endorsements) by world-renowned figures in the field such as Roberto Esposito (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Esposito) and Dany Nobus (http://www.brunel.ac.uk/people/dany-nobus ) published by a sound peer-reviewed press like MIT Press should not comply with WP:RS. In any case Ananke83 shows Chiesa is widely cited and discussed (including by Zizek) and has a professorial title; should book endorsements really not count for Wikipedia (please, confirm) there are plenty of other third-party reliable sources to justify Chiesa's page. Just hope this page gets passed otherwise I'll write a new one next week!Smokingkills2 (talk) 23:11, 5 May 2017 (UTC)smokingkills2