Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Louder Tour

I think this page should be restored. The tour was big, several fans can confirm things such as setlists, and so does this page I could also devote time to track down some sources if needed. - --Thewormsplayer (talk) 17:35, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Thewormsplayer, Wikipedia requires reliable independent secondary sources for this tour to be considered notable by Wikipedia standards. Fans, and wikias like setlist.fm, are not considered reliable, so there's no point in even referring to them. If you should find some independent secondary sources that include significant information about the tour, then by all means post them here if you want another opinion, but WP:NCONCERT TOUR is very clear about the level of sourcing and information required. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply BlueMoonset, but please consider this: Wikipedia is often adressed as unreliable, but is it? I choose to believe different. That is because honest people find the joy in editing and share information, instead of removing/inserting false info (of course, some people do this as well). Setlist.fm is just one example, but they are well maintained, and post the information pretty soon after a consert. If someone still choose not to believe in it, I could fill it in as an independent source, because I was actually at a concert. Nevertheless, people will help to update/maintain the page, and other secondary sources can be tracked down if necessary, as I mentioned before. Moreover, I have seen that R5 still have pages for 3 less significant tours up and running, so I cannot really see why the Louder Tour page was removed. I am speaking on behalf of this because I am dedicated, and I would like to view this page. I hope you could take to consideration to restore this page "on probation", to see what can become of it. I can of course restore it, but I chose to be diplomatic before I did anything drastic. That's all, I think! Thewormsplayer (talk) 16:45, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, your idea of reliability and Wikipedia's are not the same. I know how you feel: things I know and witnessed should be considered reliable. But anyone can make claims, and not everyone is as reliable as you or I. That's why Wikipedia set its requirements the way they are: not just you or I, but online and print sources that are known to be reliable by Wikipedia's standards of reliability. If you decide to restore the article without what Wikipedia considers to be reliable sourcing of the sort that demonstrates the tour's notability, then it will be deleted again, and the topic likely salted to prevent another recreation.


 * You mentioned that the other three R5 tours have pages, as if that were justification for this tour to have one. I just looked at them, and they all lack notability: sources are generally fan sites, and there's little if any reliable information to be seen. I am in the process of nominating them for deletion, as the articles don't have significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, which is required for articles on such tours. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)