Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Luis González-Mestres

Non-policy-based complaints by sockpuppets

 * STOP THIS PROCEDURE. The so-called Kevin is directly concerned by the last article published by Indépendance des Chercheurs in his Médiapart blog :

http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/scientia/240511/how-wikipedia-administrators-investigate-and-punish-dissident-editors

How Wikipedia administrators "investigate" and punish "dissident" editors

On May 24, Jared Keller, an associate editor for The Atlantic and The Atlantic Wire, publishes in The Atlantic an article entitled « Is Wikipedia a World Cultural Repository ? » concerning the Wikipedia application to be recognized by the United Nations as a world heritage site. Keller does not criticize Wikipedia, but he points out that the Wikimedia Foundation does not seem to need extra money and « raised more than $21 million from November 2010 to January 2011 in the service of new initiatives ». He concludes that UNESCO « should better focus its resources on heritage sites facing more immediate challenges ». However, is this the only real problem with Wikipedia ? An article by Kevin Rawlinson in The Independent presents Jimmy Wales as pledging to « resist pressure to censor entries ». But is Wikipedia actually opposed to censorhip ? Selected worldwide information spread through a virtual encyclopedia can also be an influence tool, especially if unwanted information and editors are blocked by a nebula of mainly anonymous administrators with no public editorial board. Will Wikipedia become an official « unique encyclopedia » propagating a « unique thought » ? On May 24-25, Jimmy Wales is participating to the e-G8 (internet G8) together with representatives of the most influential corporations in the field. As The Washington Post emphasizes, Nicolas Sarkozy has opened the e-G8 with a « call for selective government regulation of Internet ». What will be the role of Wikipedia in such an institutional scheme ? Examining the censorhip and inquiry procedures currently used by the Wikipedia administrators against « dissident » editors and net users can be very enlightening from this point of view. And very worrying for the future of free internet. According to Jimmy Wales, governments should just stay away (Reuters). But his « solution » actually amounts to private internet police.

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Actually, the user was just reacting to systematic deletion without previous deletion and to obviously agressive templates that look very much like a personal attack against a member of our collective in « response » to our articles disavowing the campaign against the Bogdanoff brothers.

Just after our first articles against the anti-Bogdanoff campaign, the French Wikipedia biography of Luis Gonzalez-Mestres was suppressed at the initiative of a Wikipedia administrator (Alain Riazuelo) personally involved in this campaign. After it was pointed out that the article in English on the so-called « Bogdanoff affair » contained wrong statements and misleading references, the Wikipedia article in English on superbradyons (describing and original idea by Gonzalez-Mestres) was also suppressed.

There have been several complaints against such Wikipedia practices without getting any answer, as Wikipedia claims to have no editorial board.

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Furthermore, all 'dissident" users (Jaumeta, Haeretica Pravitas, Indépendance des Chercheurs...) have been blocked.

Luis Gonzalez-Mestres is well-known for at least two original ideas that have generated worldwide important research activity : the luminescent (or scintillating) bolometer and the suggestion of a possible suppression of the Greisen - Zatsepin - Kuzmin cutoff by a violation of Lorentz symmetry at the Planck scale.

The conflict of the Laboratoire de Physique Corpusculaire at Collège de France was also reported by the main French medias, and evoked in written questions to the Government from French deputies and senators. This was reminded in a recent version of the biography :

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luis_Gonz%C3%A1lez-Mestres&oldid=430643629

Although it is true [42] that González-Mestres had to face strong institutional pressure, not only because of his research subject but also due to the conflicting situation,[45][46] of the Laboratoire de Physique Corpusculaire at Collège de France, it is unjustified to state that he was actually prevented from making his work public in due time. The existence of the arXiv electronic archive and of other e-publishing sites, as well as some important international conferences abroad, allowed González-Mestres to disseminate his results and ideas.

Gonzalez-Mestres was among the "dissident" participants to the November 1996 public hearing of the nuclear energy amplifier project (presented by Carlo Rubbia) organized by the French Parliament [47]. Rubbia's project was criticized by several members of the Laboratoire de Physique Corpusculaire, but also later by a Parliament report [48].

In the period 1997-99, there were several public written questions addressed to the French government by members of the French Parliament concerning the situation of the Laboratoire de Physique Corpusculaire of Collège de France and the difficulties met by Gonzalez-Mestres and other "dissidents" from this laboratory [49]

^ a b Remnant site of the Intersyndicale of the Laboratoire de Physique Corpusculaire of Collège de France (in French), http://pagesperso-orange.fr/intsynd-lpc/

^ COMMUNIQUE SUR LA SITUATION DU LABORATOIRE DE PHYSIQUE CORPUSCULAIRE DU COLLEGE DE FRANCE (5 Juin 1998), http://www.lagauche.com/gauche/lghebdo/1998/1998-22-03.html

^ "La Gauche" (Gauche Socialiste), http://www.lagauche.com/gauche/lghebdo/1998/1998-22-03.html

^ Fabien Gruhier (February 1997), Dans trente ans le réacteur miracle? Nucléaire: la bataille du rubbiatron, Le Nouvel Observateur, February 6, 1997 (in French), reproduced in http://resosol.org/contronucleaires/Nucleaire/important/2010/rubbiatron-bataille.html

^ André Gsponer (November 2003), In memoriam: L'amplificateur d'énergie nucléaire de Carlo Rubbia (1993 - 2003), from La Gazette Nucléaire, No. 209/210 (in French), http://cui.unige.ch/isi/sscr/phys/Rubbiatron.html

^ Rapport de Claude Birraux sur le contrôle de la sûreté et de la sécurité des installations nucléaires, pages 67-150, http://www.senat.fr/rap/r96-300-2/r96-300-21.pdf

^ Christian Bataille et Robert Galley, L'aval du cycle nucléaire, http://www.senat.fr/rap/o97-612/o97-612.html, Section 2.4, http://www.senat.fr/rap/o97-612/o97-61238.html

^ See, for instance : 1998 written questions by Marie-Claude Beaudeau, http://www.senat.fr/questions/base/1998/qSEQ981213282.html ; ; 1997 written question by Noël Mamère, http://questions.assemblee-nationale.fr/q11/11-5756QE.htm ; 1997 written question by Claude Billard, http://questions.assemblee-nationale.fr/q11/11-5761QE.htm

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that the so-called Kevin is obviously willing to destroy, as they show "unwanted" evidences. The so-called Kevin seems to be willing to protect influent people and lobbies. And there is no real public information on who the Wikipedia administrators are. How many of them may actually have been involved in the controversies evoked by this biography, or be friends of these people ?

Anyway, the Wikipedia administrators have at their disposal easy solutions : banning people and doing anything they want without an editorial board to which "dissisent" editors and net surfers can complain. For obvious reasons, citizens must oppose to any Wikipedia application for a UNESCO World Heritage status.

83.199.18.174 (talk) 08:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I am not anonymous, and I am not a wikipedia administrator. My real-life identity is disclosed on my user page and I have absolutely no real-life affiliation with anyone involved in any of these events. This nomination is not any sort of conspiracy, I started it solely because I do not believe Luis meets our well-established notability requirements. Kevin (talk) 08:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but your user page actually says nothing about your "real life" identity. You just write :

I'm Kevin Gorman. I was a participant in the spring 2011 session of Politics of Piracy at UC Berkeley, and I will be facilitating the fall 2011 session.

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The Berkeley university provides no link with your curriculum vitae or anything similar. There is only this name that, given the controversial subject of the Berkeley course, could even be an agreed "pen name".

In practice, there is just no way to have an idea of your possible conflicts of interests. This is a general feature of Wikipedia administrators.

And you just give no specific argument to answer the scientific content of the biography.

83.199.18.174 (talk) 08:40, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The Berkeley website provides no link to my CV because I am an undergraduate. And, again, I am not an administrator.  Take a look at WP:PROF, it lays out the criteria that an academic must meet to have an article on Wikipedia.  If you think Luis meets any of those criteria, then calmly explain how he meets them.  Otherwise this article is likely to be deleted.   Kevin (talk) 08:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * If you are an undergraduate, you are just unable to evaluate the relevance of the references given. There is no "miracle bibliometry" that can replace precise facts and analyses. Serious scientists are against bibliometry. Why are you attacking this biography, if you cannot judge it from a scientific point of view ?

And if you are an undergraduate, then you may depend on influential people for many purposes.

By the way, even an undergraduate should normally exhibit his curriculum vitae if he must give a lecture of any kind in a university like Berkeley.

83.199.18.174 (talk) 08:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Whether or not you agree with the criteria that Wikipedia uses to determine whether or not an article should be included, the fact is, they are the criteria that the community here has decided to use. Inclusion on Wikipedia has nothing to do with scientific merit. If you do not explain how Luis meets the standard laid out at WP:PROF then this article will most likely be deleted.


 * And no, it would not be a typical for an undergraduate here to make public his CV. Kevin (talk) 08:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * This is just not serious. If Kevin is an undergraduate, he is unable to evaluate the relevance of the references given.

Similarly, Crisco declares to be a student but he seems to be anonymous, so that one cannot check his biography. But he does not claim to have any special konwledge of the subject of this biography. What is he doing in this discussion ? He seems to be just supporting Kevin for personal reasons.

If there is no CV that can be checked, how can the public get an idea about the competence of the teacher and the seriousness of the course ? The same problem exists for the Wikipedia administrators, including possible conflicts of interests. The biography has explained everything, and is being censored. Now, it ias attacked on unclear grounds by people that do not claim any specific competence.

Actually, such as it is run, Wikipedia is not a community and has no "rules" or "criteria". Anonymous administrators just do what they want and there is no real control as there is no public editorial board to which one can complain. In any Parliament, even in the worst banana republics, there are public institutions. Candidates to elections have a known identity with a CV, and their conflicts of interests can in principle be controlled.

83.199.18.174 (talk) 09:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Do not delete and STOP DELETING COMMENTS', I have just been forced to restore several deleted comments. - 	- 	As remainded before, there at least two well-known original contributions by Gonzalez-Mestres : the luminescent bolometer and the suggestion of a possible suppression of the Greisen-Zatsepin-Kuzmin cutoff. The fits one has been at the origin of CRESST and of other well-known experiments. The seconf one has plaid a crucial role in a whole field of checks of relativity theory. - 		 - 	83.199.18.174 (talk) 09:51, 25 May 2011 (UTC)