Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Magdalen Berns (2nd nomination)


 * Keep The reason some people are arguing for Magdalen Berns' wikipedia entry to be taken down is itself testament to the impact that Magadelen Berns had. Some people want the entry to be removed from Wikipedia specifically because her entry's removal would be seen as a coup and an achievement and something to publicly celebrate. That tells us all we need to know about whether or not Magdalen Berns' life work had the kind of impact that makes her deserving of a Wikipedia entry in the first place.  We should not give in to these kinds of tactics.  Please keep this entry.  History will show the lasting impact that this woman's life had on the sex-based rights of women and the defense of these rights in the 21st century.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fester mower (talk • contribs) 15:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree that Magdalen’s page should not be deleted. This is an important part of gender critical history to which Magdalen contributed so much before her untimely death. What is the rationale for deletion? Wiki is hardly a font of balanced knowledge but removing things because it's upsets a few people should result in most information covering war, murderers, medical experimentation etc being removed as some people get upset at history and fact. Human history is complex. Rewriting it is Orwellian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.137.42.130 (talk) 07:42, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I object to the deletion of Magdalen's wikipedia page. She is a historically relevant person.
 * -- ReluctantEditor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reluctant Corrector (talk • contribs) 07:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * M Berns is an important figure in UK feminist and lesbian history and should not be deleted. This is an ideological motivated nomination. T Lynch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:4c8:490:2ff2:1dba:e003:9fb6:de04 (talk) 07:59, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * This entry for Magdalen most certainly should not be deleted. In context of women's (especially lesbian women's) activism in regards to feminism, free speech, cultural and political commentary she is a key historical figure. S Christy-Jones — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.130.140 (talk) 08:17, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Magdalen was a fierce feminist who inspired many with deadpan vblogging. She was also a pioneer of female boxing, she won the Haringey Box Cup in 2010 and became a member of Scotland’s first female boxing squad in 2011 when she won the British Universities Boxing Championship. If you google her name she appears in countless news stories, it is right that those reading about Magdalen are able to find her on Wikipedia. I believe the nomination to delete her profile is politically motivated.
 * Would you delete Malcolm X's Twitter page if a load of rabid racist angry right wingers wanted it? No you wouldn't. Magdalen Berns is a voice for lesbians, for their right to name their same sex orientation which excludes those with a penis. This is a homophobic attack on a great feminist voice. Don't delete her page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alliapotestas (talk • contribs) 08:02, 3 June 2021 (UTC)  — Alliapotestas (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * I find this puzzling and am suspicious that it is politically motivated to remove a gender critical, feminist person from public record, who is sadly not here to speak for herself. Magdalen is a substantive influencer, even now, on Feminism, as just a casual glance through twitter will reveal, with hundreds of people still discussing her, sharing her videos and mentioning her in their biographies - Gavin Barrie, @jammach. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jammach (talk • contribs) 09:16, 3 June 2021 (UTC) — Jammach (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * How heartbreaking that there are people out there so cruel in requesting this to be deleted. Magdalena is such a feminist icon and woman of note in a specific time frame of social and political debate. She's important to thousands of women. Do not delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:ec72:2200:8ce9:e493:767b:d405 (talk) 08:46, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Do not delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.121.213 (talk) 08:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Please do not delete. This is very important to feminists and feminist history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.78.203 (talk) 08:50, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Magdalen was a fierce feminist who inspired many with deadpan vblogging.


 * She was also a pioneer of female boxing, she won the Haringey Box Cup in 2010 and became a member of Scotland’s first female boxing squad in 2011 when she won the British Universities Boxing Championship. (Source: https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/feminist-vivid-love-life-gone-too-soon)


 * When Magdalen passed away, The boxing community in Edinburgh expressed their sadness following her death. ‘Magdalen was a pioneer for both women’s boxing and university boxing in Scotland, and she was a member of Scotland’s first female boxing squad in 2011’, said Boxing Scotland in a statement. (Source: https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/25/in-memory-of-magdalen-berns/)


 * If you google her name she appears in countless news stories, it is right that those reading about Magdalen are able to find her on Wikipedia. I believe the nomination to delete her profile is politically motivated.


 * As an example of the reach this extraordinary woman continues to have, when Beth Stelzer gave evidence in Wisconsin recently and stated “I’d rather be rude than a liar”, she was borrowing the words from Burns.


 * She is an important part of recent feminist history and must stay.
 * - Alliapotestas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alliapotestas (talk • contribs) 09:06, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Magdalen was and is a hero of feminism. She went against the grain protecting women's and lesbians' rights. Don't delete her page! - Kaarina from Finland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:14BB:CB:4CAA:0:0:432:C01 (talk) 09:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Please keep this page
 * Ali20aday — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.6.74 (talk) 09:54, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Do not delete this page. There is no good reason for its deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.30.169.144 (talk) 10:05, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * This is a bit of a pity. The comments above come from a bombardment of her fans, rather than any interest in the rules. https://twitter.com/OvertonWindow1/status/1400354380726128641 https://twitter.com/KeelahSalai/status/1400246256518172672 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.65.18.117 (talk) 10:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Magdalen Berns's contribution to the learning about gender transitioning and the nature of gender in the modern world is unparalleled. Many people, including young people looking for honest and ethical guidance, have been helped by her work. DO NOT DELETE, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maccallumsullivan (talk • contribs) 10:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC) — Maccallumsullivan (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep Chris Pook This is a highly suspicious proposal given Magdalen's high profile and controversial politics. My daughter knows her name. She is a feminist icon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisPook (talk • contribs) 11:39, 3 June 2021 (UTC) — ChrisPook (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep this page, Magdalen was a woman of note. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.84.65 (talk) 12:59, 3 June 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.82.213.135 (talk) 03:10, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I completely agree. Domojones1985 (talk) 14:59, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Please DO NOT Delete
Magdalen Burns wiki page should not be deleted because she was a popular radical feminist who's voice help shaped towards positivity and change within the women’s right movement. The campaign to remove her is just a group of unhinged men who want to silence women back into an oppressive/pre-feminist era. Domojones1985 (talk) 15:06, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Please do not delete as page is topically relevant Swalte (talk) 06:44, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Agree completely! Betjan (talk) 22:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Propose speedy close of discussion due to flawed process

 * moved from main article ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:29, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

This discussion has been reopened despite the fact no consensus to delete was reached October 2019. No consensus to delete exists in this discussion either, and arguments against seem to be based on flawed understandings of notability, namely that obituaries fall under "one event" and that several biased sources used are not reliable for the uses made of them in this article. All this was discussed at length in the first discussion, and no new evidence has come to light so I would suggest that opening this AfD was a procedural error. Shutting it down now would also avoid the page becoming a battleground, which is already happening to some degree, given the off wiki canvassing that has occurred and the probability of more such occurring on both sides. Boynamedsue (talk) 07:04, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have returned this text to the main page, I would be grateful if ProcrastinatingReader ceased to attempt to curate this discussion, in terms that approach WP:OWN, and also refrained from making accusations of disruptive editing in edit summaries which violate WP:CIVIL. As an involved editor, they should be more circumspect about how they treat the contributions of others to the debate. Boynamedsue (talk) 11:51, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with this proposal, but because of snow, not flawed process. -Roxy . wooF 13:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Keep this.page
Only the misogynists campaign to have a women's rights Campaigner's.page deleted Markdsherry (talk) 13:09, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You should have a vote then at WP:Articles_for_deletion/Magdalen_Berns_(2nd_nomination). CatCafe (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * You created your account on 29 October 2012. Since then you have made 11 edits with your account, which meets the threshold for autoconfirmed User. You should be able to post your opinion in the deletion discussion page.  Pyxis Solitary   (yak) . L not Q. 12:13, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2021
I am an Opera Director from Germany and I have myself a Wikipedia Page and would like to share an outside perspective. Carlskwellll (talk) 16:14, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * @Carlskwellll to achieve this your need to state your comment here, with reference to Wikipedia policy  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 16:37, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Keep this.Page even in Germany this case is discussed. It is not about the number of followers on you tube, but about the relevance on an important topic. And even the delete wishes are showing how important to keep this article. From the outside it seems more like it about using wikipedia and deleting an article for opinion control. Why would so many want to delete this, if it so irrelevant. I have a wikipedia article in the german Wikipedia. I am an activ director for Opera and Film, but I would would gladly give mine up to keep this article up. Not because I am a fan. I am a straight mid 50s white male. (Yea, i said it) Because I think it's relevant. Carlskwellll (talk) 09:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * @Carlskwellll I have placed your comment on the page for you Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 09:49, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Madeley Burns
This page should not be deleted. This appears to be a group of people who merely do not agree with human biology who are pushing to erase all lesbians and women. Please do not do this. Anjones69 (talk) 05:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Magdalen Berns
Please do not delete her page. She remains an important voice in radical feminism. She is frequently quoted and is an inspiration to us all. Please leave the page for Magdalen Berns permanently on Wikipedia. Betjan (talk) 22:32, 8 June 2021 (UTC)