Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/María Viramontes

Do these reliable independent non-trivial references establish notability?
Do these reliable independent non-trivial references establish notability? If not, why not? Please cite guidelines or policies in your response. Unscintillating (talk) 00:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Dana Perrigan, Special to The Chronicle (June 29, 2008). "Where we live. Steeped in history, Richmond looks forward.". San Francisco Chronicle. SFGate. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/29/REL311CKGC.DTL&ao=all. Retrieved 2011-12-11. "A fourth-generation Richmond resident, Maria Viramontes...Viramontes' grandfather settled in the city in 1910..."
 * 2) Grant Will Help Richmond, Calif., Immigrants Get Healthcare., Contra Costa Times, by Rebecca Rosen Lum, July 23, 2003. http://www.accessmylibrary.com/premium/0286/0286-8896344.html retrieved May 24, 2007. "'This is a very, very important issue for Latino groups,' said Richmond Councilwoman Maria Viramontes, who helped Brookside Community Health Center land a $450,000 federal grant to build an out-patient clinic"
 * 3) "Google translate. Support for the Five in Richmond City Council". CubAhora. Google translate of Center for Media Information Directorate: Planning and General Suarez, Revolution Square, Havana. 12/12/2011, source Cubasi 09/04/09. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=es&tl=en&u=http://www.cubahora.cu/index.php%3Ftpl%3Dbuscar/ver-not_buscar.tpl.html%26newsid_obj_id%3D1031027 Retrieved 2011-12-12. "...unanimously passed a resolution in support of the Cuban Five political prisoners...the Mayor Gayle McLaughlin presented and Councilwoman Maria Viramontes."
 * 4) Vicki Haddock, of the Examiner staff (November 21, 1996). "San Leandro places pistol tax on ballot". San Francisco Examiner. SFGate. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/e/a/1996/11/21/METRO9534.dtl Retrieved 2011-12-12. "...predicted Maria Theresa Viramontes, executive director of the East Bay Public Safety Corridor Partnership, a collaboration of cities, school districts and law enforcement agencies uniting to push an array of gun-control measures."
 * 5) Chip Johnson (February 2, 2004). "Richmond's budget says: 2+2+2=9!?? Financially inept city may cut council seats". San Francisco Chronicle. SFGate. p. B-1. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/02/BAGOA4MSA61.DTL Retrieved 2011-12-11. "Last February, City Councilwoman Maria Viramontes, who chairs the Finance Committee, was directed to slice $5 million..."
 * 6) Jim Herron Zamora, Chronicle staff writer (June 17, 2005). "Richmond. 4 on council call for a state of emergency. The idea is to raise $2 million to fight violent crime wave". San Francisco Chronicle. SFGate. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/17/BAGM0DA7LS1.DTL Retrieved 2011-12-11. "'We're living in extreme times that call for extreme measures,' said Councilwoman Maria Viramontes, who was joined by three other council members at a news conference."
 * 7) "NIJ Annual Report to Congress 1996.". US Department of Justice. National Criminal Justice Reference Service. 1996. http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/166585.txt Retrieved 2011-12-12. "Appendix A: Awards Made in Fiscal Year 1996...Domestic Violence Intervention Project. East Bay Community Foundation, Berkeley, California. Maria Theresa Viramontes. $100,000."


 * Absolutely they do. This council is very unique in that it gets itself involved with things like the Gaza Flotilla, Cuban diplomatic affairs, supporting occupy and getting dissed about it on national TV, they are quite the coterie.LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:30, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:DRV is thataway. Tarc (talk) 00:20, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:GNG states, "The number and nature of reliable sources needed varies depending on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources. Multiple sources are generally expected." If there is a consensus to delete, then there is a consensus that the above list fails WP:GNG, and if there is a consensus, the consensus should be able to give some sense of how many more sources are needed. The consensus should also be able to interpret WP:N, "For articles of unclear notability, deletion should be a last resort," and the listing of "Merging" as part of WP:Deletion policy. Unscintillating (talk) 05:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Although at this time a ton of amazing exposes that only deal with the subject have not been found there are tons and tons of paragraphs or articles that mostly deal with the subject and many more that deal with her trivially, a s---load actually. And how many councilwomen from your hometown get press coverage in Cuba? Basically she gets a lot of coverage in a lot of places because she was a politician for a major city.LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:30, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The article is already deleted; what part of that do you find confusing? Either take it up with Jayjg or head to Deletion Review, as most have likely taken this off their watchlist.  I was about to til I wondered "what the hell is going on at the talk page of a closed AfD?" Tarc (talk) 05:40, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think anyone is confused here. But part of deletion review is discussion of the matter to avoid wasting community resources. And I have contacted that closer to no avail but given him enough time to respond. So I can show a sincere and patient attempt at said DRV.LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:30, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


 * What I'm seeing here is a refusal by Unscintillating to admit that some shmo who served on a City Council in a medium-sized town just might not be deserving of a Wikipedia article. Same with Mindell Penn, another article that's a gots-to-go case...he's taken to dumping a load of irrelevant "references" that mention Penn in passing to claim she's notable.  Frankly, Unscintillating's obstinent keepism is boarding on disruption.  A DRV would be a waste of community time  Purpleback  pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  05:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Maria Viramontes was a very powerful politician that ruled the majority opposition (Democratic Party vs Richmond Progressive Alliance) of a major city, and that does not constitute a "shmo". The comments about Penn's notability are not relevant here. Calling people disruptive for voting keep is seems to describe the accusation and is entirely a fallacy.LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:30, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


 * For those arguing against deletion of these Richmond councillors, the result seems to be quite good, with several articles being kept, rewritten and developed. The debates 'for' and 'against' deletion were some of the most comprehensive I've come across and the final decision was made in each case by someone who hadn't taken part. The words 'horse', 'dead' and 'flogging' spring to mind now, for some reason. I live in a capital city three times the size of Richmond and there are probably less than a dozen articles on local councillors. The Richmond articles all seem to have been created (by an editor who was subsequently banned) a short while before the 2006 council elections, which makes you wonder about the original motives. But hey-ho, we all come here with different passions and motives and we can't agree on everything all of the time. All the best :) Sionk (talk) 13:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Richmond is in the San Francisco Bay Area and politics are just big here, maybe they get more press here. But the councilmembers here even get press in Cuba and Beaufort and in the LA Times and Wall Street Journal. What city do you live in, there might be some members deserving of an article there.LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:30, 23 December 2011 (UTC)