Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Martin K

Martin K
Hi!

May I ask why this page in reality was deleted? The golden disk award is a very notable award, just google it. And the reference that the album won is quite obvious. Also, Martin K has had many other achievements (multi-platinum global sales) and releases. Why isn't this taken into consideration? Cheezus K (talk) 12:39, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I won't accept this deletion based on your arguments. Cheezus K (talk) 12:44, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Quote: "Delete The only claim to notability is a Korean "award" which I am unable to verify and the award doesn't appear to be notable either." is this a serious statement? Also, do you honestly mean that there is nothing else in the page that qualifies as notable? Cheezus K (talk) 12:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Disc_Awards

If this isn't a notable award; why is it on your main pages ?! Cheezus K (talk) 12:52, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Also; regarding the Grammy-reference :

http://www.koreaboo.com/news/nominees-2015-golden-disk-awards-revealed/ Cheezus K (talk) 12:54, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Martin K is not mentioned in this reference though? Theroadislong (talk) 14:04, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I suggest you start a new article at Draft:Martin K using as many reliable secondary sources as you can find and ignore anything that you cannot reference. Theroadislong (talk) 12:59, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Why can't I just edit the one you just deleted? I already used a lot of secondary sources as references. Also; I already edited away the Grammy-reference, even though that is a very common reference. Did you even check the revised article lately? It was massively modified. Cheezus K (talk) 13:20, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I expect you to give me back the source to the article, which I used many hours to create. 84.211.194.135 (talk) 13:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not an admin I didn't delete your article? Theroadislong (talk) 13:43, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough, the user that deleted it is Kurykh. I don't know how I can contact him. Can you help me? Cheezus K (talk) 13:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Just click the link User talk:Kurykh Cheers Theroadislong (talk) 13:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, I just did.. then I'm directed to his general page, not a conversation. Do I have to start a new topic? Thanks. Cheezus K (talk) 13:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that summarizes what independent, reliable sources say about a topic. I have just searched for possible sources, but can't find a single in depth secondary source about him. It will be an impossible struggle to build an article without the sources. Theroadislong (talk) 14:15, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

But this article is about what Martin K DOES and has accomplished. It isn't promoted as an auto-biography? The work he has done is well referenced in the page and should be of general interest. The fact that you (yet) can't find an article about him does that make him less relevant? This Wikipedia-page had the intention of proving exactly that, that the professional music producer is relevant, based on his work and his references. Also; there was some other articles/interviews with Martin K in the newer revisions of the page. I still don't understand your argument for putting the page down. Cheezus K (talk) 14:29, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

And; in the later revisions I had a lot of independent, reliable sources. I mean, there are a LOT of Wikipedia-pages that falls into the "not-notable" category if mine does. I expect to be treated fairly and respectfully. Cheezus K (talk) 14:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you might have misunderstood how Wikipedia works. It only reports on what the sources say. Please read Notability (people). I would happily create the page for you if there were sufficient indepth independent, reliable sources about him. What is your connection to Martin? Theroadislong (talk) 14:37, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

The topic is "Martin K" and is well documented from many sources regarding his work on the internet. Try google. Cheezus K (talk) 14:41, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Quote from Wikipedia notability; "This page in a nutshell: A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Did you see the references in the latest revisions? Don't they represent significant coverage? I am martin. Cheezus K (talk) 14:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I HAVE googled you I found you on Facebook, Allmusic, Soundcloud, Instagram, Twitter, Youtube and Discogs, none of which are independent sources which is what Wikipedia requires to show notability. I can't see the the deleted article so don't know which references you are referring to. Please also note that creating articles about your self is STRONGLY discouraged, you should not be editing articles about yourself, when you are notable in Wikipedia terms somebody else possibly even me, will write the article. Theroadislong (talk) 14:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Good, anyhow, I know, and a lot of the people in the music industry know that my work is relevant, hence the need to make this article. Also, we live in a time where everyone is documenting themselves. It is not controversial to make an article about yourself as long as your sources are good and you get someone else to validate it? I mean, that's the whole point? Your argumentation is presumably biased and doesn't really prove a point, sir. Can you principally tell me what you can't write an article about yourself as long as you get a 3rd party to evaluate the material? Quote: "when you are notable in Wikipedia terms somebody else possibly even me, will write the article." Well, what can I say, it's time to open the eyes? I don't mean to be rude, sir, with all respect, but your arguments don't really prove nothing. Please see the deleted article and then come back to me, please. Cheezus K (talk) 15:09, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I can't see my references either because the article is also not available for me. Cheezus K (talk) 15:10, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * As I have said above I am not an admin so I can't see the deleted article either, if there are suitable sources by all means list them here, but I couldn't find any I'm afraid. Writing about yourself is strongly discouraged, please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:NOTPROMOTION. Theroadislong (talk) 15:14, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * you need to get those people in the music industry to write books, newspaper and magazine articles, reviews, documentaries etc. about you first. We can only work on previously published material.


 * Also, what you've been told about autobiographies on Wikipedia is correct: "[[Wikipedia:Autobiography|

Writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is an example of conflict of interest editing and is strongly  discouraged.]]" While we might live in an age where promoting one's self has become the norm, Wikipedia is not the place to do this. There are plenty of alternative venues if that is your intention. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:16, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Well, this wasn't meant as an autobiography, as I mentioned earlier, but the relevant and notable work of the producer Martin K. It was never intended to promote me as a person. Cheezus K (talk) 15:31, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Comment from deleting admin
The reasons for deletion is lack of demonstration of notability, specifically WP:NMUSIC. That you say other people may have said you are important is irrelevant; what is relevant is that other reliable independent sources have said that you are important. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that these sources exist; you can do so with or without the deleted article. In other words, don't tell us you're notable; show us. Please also review the policies and guidelines that others have mentioned, like WP:AUTOBIO and WP:NOTPROMOTION. --Kurykh (talk) 23:24, 21 February 2017 (UTC)