Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Michael Mastro

Some important issues that remain to be documented
Wikipedia is supposed to be a source of unnbiased free information. Hiding such information can be construed as caving in to powerful entities who do not want to see certain topic areas become public knowledge.

Here are some points to ponder in regard to this particular article: List of article collected so far:
 * When and how did a bankruptcy petition(civil) become a criminal charge against two people (and possibly more such as family and friends as implied by some references) culminating in arrest and indefinite imprisonment overseas at the request of the FBI?
 * Who benefits most from this: the bankruptcy creditors or the court-appointed trustee ($2.8million vs $7.8 million reported here)?
 * Can people be arrested before being criminally charged (couple was arrested a day before they were indicted according to several references)

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2012/11/mastros-mental-competency-could-be-an.html http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2010/07/19/living-large-in-bankruptcy/ http://mynorthwest.com/11/2133026/French-police-find-more-of-Mastros-jewelry http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903374004576583081918294252.html http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019526116_mastroextraditionxml.html http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019530735_mastrohuntxml.html http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019542345_mastro28m.html http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019559789_mastroringsxml.html http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019620304_mastroargumentsxml.html http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019631449_mastrohearingxml.html http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019644569_mastrorejectedxml.html http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019644569_mastrorejectedxml.html http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019689077_mastroringsxml.html http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019714087_mastrojewelryxml.html http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2012/10/mastros-captured-lake-annecy-near.html?page=all Ottawahitech (talk) 01:07, 10 November 2012 (UTC) http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2012/11/mastros-big-rings-in-custody.html http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2012/11/mastros-big-rings-in-custody.html http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2012/11/mastros-mental-competency-could-be-an.html http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2012/11/mastros-must-remain-in-jail-french.html http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2012/11/mastros-must-remain-in-jail-french.html http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2012/11/mastros-plan-to-appeal-to-french.html http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2012/11/mastros-raising-legal-fund.html http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2012/11/mastros-testify-in-french-court-hearing.html http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2012/11/03/mastros-french-lawyer-lays-out.html http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2012/11/19/french-police-seize-jewels-from-mastro.html http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/10/14/40616.htm http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223310/Michael-Mastro-Seattle-real-estate-magnate-arrested-France-fleeing-bankruptcy.html http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml http://www.forbes.com/sites/billsinger/2012/10/26/rolls-royce-diamonds-gold-coins-wines-cited-in-couples-bankruptcy-fraud/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/jayadkisson/2011/10/01/the-washington-woes-of-michael-mastro-and-friends/ http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Captured-Medina-developer-Mastro-wife-indicted-3982488.php http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Captured-Medina-developer-Mastro-wife-indicted-3982488.php#ixzz2By2WjJf0 http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/fugitive-seattle-real-estate-developer-wife-arrested-in-france-now-face-43-count-indictment/2012/10/25/3d03b0fc-1f0a-11e2-8817-41b9a7aaabc7_story.html

Ottawahitech (talk) 18:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

More refs
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2011/05/mastro-bankruptcy-court-hears-of.html?page

http://www.assetsearchblog.com/2011/10/17/red-flags-in-one-of-washington-states-largest-bankruptcies/ Ottawahitech (talk) 13:43, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019714087_mastrojewelryxml.html

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2133026/French-police-find-more-of-Mastros-jewelry

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2012/11/19/french-police-seize-jewels-from-mastro.html

http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019542345_mastro28m.html?prmid=4939

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/print-edition/2012/11/02/how-michael-mastro-tapped-into-vast.html Ottawahitech (talk) 16:26, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019840299_mastrosonxml.html Ottawahitech (talk) 20:05, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Quick response
The most significant thing to consider here is the "Sources" section of WP:GNG. The contention here is whether the subject/event is notable. Most of the sources you provide above could only ever be considered 1 source each (per paper) for the purposes of notability determinations, as per that part of that policy.

I'd also caution against theories about, "powerful entities who do not want to see certain topic areas become public knowledge". Ascribing conspiracy theories to the collective actions of a diverse range of Wikipedia editors is probably not going to help your cause. From what I can see, those voting delete include Russians from New England, Californians and an Australian (me). No FBI agents from Seattle or people from Langley. Just saying (or maybe I'm secretly from the CIA!). Stalwart 111  22:24, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * @Stalwart111, yes you are right – I should have omitted the first sentence. Luckily it is not likely that many of the participants on the project page are bothering to check the talk page, just as few have bothered to look at the revision history or the talk page of the article itself. I guess my frustration is showing, the result of not being trusted enough to be allowed to move articles, and of being forced to do nothing but talk for the last few weeks  (in a futile attempt to save my hours of work and that of other editors) instead of what I enjoy doing most which is adding content to wikipedia. BTW the reason I have been adding refs here is to allow me to continue developing the article after it is deleted - it is not an attempt to convince others that the topic is notable which it appears some will never admit no matter what.  But anyway thanks for noticing  and offering advice. Ottawahitech (talk) 01:56, 2 December 2012 (UTC)