Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Molly Bouchard

Instead of using multiple boards to pursue a position, it would be helpful if the actual discussion about whether persons such as Ms. Bouchard are "automatically" notable could take place at the Draft:Notability (beauty pageant participants), which I know those involved on the AfD discussion are aware of. Instead we see scraps of not-really-applicable policies and essays slapped down as if they were markers to label other editor's comments as invalid or being in the wrong forum. This behavior is directly contrary to both the 4th and 5th pillars, which supersede any policy, essay, guideline, etc.

According to How to contribute to Wikipedia guidance, a policy or guidance should reflect previously-established consensus. Policies are not supposed to be used to suppress consensus of editors. Many AfD debates over a long period of time have lead to the conclusion that beauty pageant winners are likely to be notable (not automatically notable) if they a win a national level pageant such as Miss America or one of the national-level pageants that feed into the Big Four pageants.

The Draft proposal has been thoroughly publicized in multiple places, and this consensus has not drawn significant opposition from the editing community at large. Indeed, aside from a tiny handful of editors, it has largely drawn indifference.

That said I believe that the draft has support and will be posting it soon. My reasons for doing so:
 * An RFC in starting in August of 2016 at the relevant Wikiproject showed general support for excluding state-level winners but was closed with the comment that a notability guideline was needed
 * A further discussion there showed limited interest in a essay versus a new subject notability guideline
 * In the beginning of December, nothing had been done, and a discussion was restarted there
 * By the 22nd, there was still no new SNG, so I created the draft linked above and let all participants in that discussion know about it
 * Two attempts to create discussions at VPP failed with no support for state-level pageant notability and
 * Another posting on VPP created discussion and another link to the draft, again with little to no input generated.

Despite these attempts to draw further input, there has been no input to the draft or its talk page since the first of the year. I will therefore add this draft to WP:CENT to begin the process of establishing the draft as a new SNG in line with the above-linked discussions.Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:45, 12 January 2017 (UTC)