Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Namoa

Conflicting Identity
The MAIN Question

1. Who was Tupou that was baptised as Josiah Tupou in 1830?

The two conflicting claim are:

a.Tupou that was baptised as Josiah Tupou in 1830 was born Aleamotu'a. This is claimed by the Tongan Royal Family, Aleamotu'a Family.

b. Tupou that was baptised Josiah Tupou was Namoa, the younger brother of Aleamotu'a. This is supported by some people from the Tu'ihalangingie, Tauali'i and Niumeitolu family.

2. What independently reliable sources that will verify your claim apart from the opposing family claim?

a. Josiah Tupou as Aleamotu'a: This is supported by the Methodist Missionaries, Catholic Missionaries, Historian Academic like Giffords, Tongan Academic/Religious leader as in Dr Reverend HT Niumeitolu. All references were discuss in both article (Aleamotu'a/Namoa) Talk and are listed in the Aleamotu'a article in the sources sections.

b. Josiah Tupou as Namoa: This is claimed as from the Niumeitolu Family Genealogy. This claimed is mainly from a faction of the Tu'ihalangingie/Tauali'i/Niumeitolu Family. An article is available from a bebo page with no dates or author is the only references.

To my conclusion, Aleamotu'a was Tupou and then baptised as Josiah Tupou was the 18th Tu'i Kanokupolu of Tonga. Namoa article should be deleted as it is a self-promotion, biased un referenced story.Puakatau (talk) 16:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Anacrossan can not discuss this as she does not have any verification of her storyPuakatau (talk) 16:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

NAMOA IS SIOSAIA TUPOU. HE WAS THE ONLY HOLDER OF THAT TITLE !'

IT'S NOT A SELF PUBLISHED, IT IS BASED ON, FACTS.  THE NIUMEITOLU GENEALOGY, WAS NARRATED BY OLD MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY. THIS INCLUDED THE GRANDCHILDREN OD NAMOA ( SIOSAIA TUPOU), I.E. 'ANA NIUMEITOLU WHO WAS BORN IN 1847 AND DIED IN 1952, CHARLOTTE MAFILE'O TUPOU BORN IN 1850'S AND DIED IN 1962. ALSO INCLUDING, IN CONTRIBUTING WAS TAUFA'AHAU ( KING SIAOSI TUPOU 1) WHO WAS BORN IN 1806 AND DIED IN 1893. SO AS THE GRANDSON OF NAMOA: PENI TUPOU. THE NIUMEITOLU GENEALOGY IS NOT ONLY ABOUT THE GENEALOGY BUT ALSO IT'S DOCUMENTATIONS OR RECORDS OF INFORMATION AND FACTS THAT INVOLVED THE FAMILY AND TU'IKANOKUPOLU DYNASTY. AS THE TITLE, NIUMEITOLU IS TAUFA'AHAU( KING SIAOSI TUPOU 1). THEREFORE THE NIUMEITOLU GENEALOGY HAS BEEN A FAMILY DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS WRITTEN IN TAUFA'AHAU( KING SIAOSI TUPOU 1) ERA. THIS IS A COMPLEX TOPIC TO ELABORATE IN IT, AND IT'S NOT RELEVANT IN THIS DISCUSSION.

NAMOA AS NARRATED BY CONTRIBUTORS TO THE NIUMEITOLU GENEALOGY IS TUPOU ! NAMOA WAS THE ONLY ONE IN KING MUMUI TU'IKANOKUPOLU CHILDREN WHO WAS NAMED AS TUPOU.

ALEAMOTU'A, NEVER HAVE THE TITLE, SIOSAIA TUPOU. IF ONE EVEN LOOK AT COMMENTS OF MISSIONARIES, NEVER ONCE THEY COMMENT THAT SIOSAIA TUPOU IS ALEAMOTU'A. HOWEVER, AS ONE MAY COMMENT ALEAMOTU'A AS SOSAIA ! MAY I POINT OUT THAT THE NAME SOSAIA IN TONGA IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT TO NAME SIOSAIA ! ALSO SOSAIA IS ORIGINATED FROM FOREIGN NAME, BUT SIOSAIA IS A TONGA ORIGINAL.

IT IS QUITE INTERESTING HOW THE TITLE SIOSAIA TUPOU BEEN READJUSTED AND PROGRESSIVELY ADD SLOWLY TO TITLE, ALEAMOTU'A. FIRST IT'S SOSAIA ALEAMOTU'A, THEN IT'S CHANGE TO SIOSAIA ALEAMOTU'A THEN IT'S SIOSAIA TUPOU ALEAMOTU'A, SUDDENLY. YET IN THE DOCUMENTATIONS EVEN BY MISSIONARIES IT WAS JUST, SIOSAIA TUPOU, NOT SIOSAIA TUPOU ALEAMOTU'A.

NAMOA AS I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED WAS KNOWN IN PUBLIC AS, TUPOU IN HIS ADULT LIFE. THEREFORE ANY DOCUMENTATIONS BY NON-TONGANS WILL KNOWN NAMOA AS, TUPOU, ONLY. WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ON THE ARTICLE WERE BASED ON, FACTS.

IN REFERENCE TO THE DELETION OF THE ARTICLE NAMOA( SIOSAIA TUPOU), I AM NOT SUPRISE AT ALL. NOT SUPRISE AT ALL !!

WHY NOT WIPE ALL OF THE ARTICLES I HAVE CONTRIBUTED?? WIPE THE WHOLE LOT OFF !! IT DOES NOT WORRY ME A BIT. THOUGH IT WILL MAKES SOME HAPPY TO SEE, ANY CONNECTION TO NAMOA( SIOSAIA TUPOU) ALL ERASED !IT WILL MAKE THEM HAPPY TO SEE NAMOA ( SIOSAIA TUPOU) IS ERASED SO THE REAL FACTS AND HISTORY ON TONGA AND THEIR ANCESTORS NEVER TO BE KNOWN IN PUBLIC!

ERASED THEM ALL !I DON'T GIVE A DARN!! Anacrossan (talk) 23:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)