Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/R.A. the Rugged Man

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Any information regarding R.A. the Rugged Man you would need to maintain accuracy on this site you can contact us direct ratheruggedman516@yahoo.com, Any questions or historical facts needed let us now. The information on this page right now is definitely not up to par or up to date. Let us know how we can help. Thank you.
 * Thank you, but the information needs to come from reliable sources independent of the subject. لenna  vecia  16:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

O.k., So we will supply completely factual subject with documented proof on each. What is the problem here? It is wikipedias responsibility to maintain a professional, true biography on artists that are in the public eye, not to delete their existence. Tell us where to send historically accurate documented information on the artist and this is no problem. This is not meant to be an argument or a debate this is meant to make the page legit so people have the right to read accurate information on public figures that interest them. Let's move forward and fix the problem instead of deleting the page. contact ratheruggedman516@yahoo.com or tell us where to send the accurate info. thank you. There should be no issues.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.73.197 (talk) 20:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We take information already published in reliable sources independent of the subject. To assist in verifying claims, all source information must be provided. This includes author names, publications dates, page numbers, urls, etc. In order to be eligible for inclusion on Wikipedia, subjects must meet our notability requirements. In this case, WP:MUSICBIO. At this time, it is not clear whether or not the subject meets these requirements. لenna  vecia  23:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

(REVISED FACTS: with links..  I'm just trying to get this page straightened out.  No need for difficulties. Here are several pieces of history with Links. If there are any issues now I'm not sure why they would be. Let's just work it out and get the accurate information to the public.

-Throughout his career he's worked with ---

the Notorious B.I.G., (here is a link- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIQPRyVQriY&feature=related

Mobb Deep, http://www.hiphopsite.com/product/show/id/4817

Sadat X, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O7CKxDhdq8&feature=related

Akinyele, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na3O8Wp9kVU

Chuck D of Public Enemy, http://www.americanmule.com/shop

Jedi Mind Tricks, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r0KpWMNxnM

Kool G Rap, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8n26INFtLk

Wu-Tang Clan, Masta Killa, Killah Priest, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZHoroQLNNQ

and producers Trackmasters, Erick Sermon, DJ Quik, Buckwild, Alchemist, Ayatollah to name a few. (all of these productions have been published -Trackmasters did Bloodshed hua hoo, Erick sermon did tracks on NIght of the Bloody Apes Crustified dibbs album, Buckwild did 'Every Record Label sucks dick and new music), Alchemist did D&D kill it, Ayatollah did several songs including Chains)

He was featured on all three of Rawkus’s Soundbombing albums,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundbombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundbombing_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundbombing_III

As well as the platinum-selling WWF Aggression album, performing the theme song for Chris Jericho.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWF_Aggression

at age 18, R.A. got a record deal with Jive Records under the name Crustified Dibbs, R.A. later signed with Priority/EMI Records in the mid-1990s, and his contract was later absorbed by Capitol records before going independent in the early 2000s. Now releasing his music through Nature Sounds, independent label of Pete Rock, Masta Killa, J-Dilla, MF Doom and many more.

http://www.nature-sounds.net/artists/id/2/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priority_Records

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Jive_Records_artists

Received quotable from Source Magazine for the verse he wrote about his father on the song "Uncommon Valor: A Vietnam Story"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncommon_Valor:_A_Vietnam_Story

In Ego Trip Magazine Vol. 1, Issue 3, the Notorious B.I.G. was quoted as saying, "I thought I was the illest," when referring to R.A.

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Ego_trip_(magazine)  (smif-N-Wesson on cover)

R.A. has cameos in several music videos including Havoc from Mobb Deep's "I'm the boss,"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvh-2tRXCP8

and Sadat X's "Throw the Ball" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zra9A42xtmM

and "Old Man" featuring Wu-Tang Clan's RZA, Masta Killa and Ol' Dirty Bastard in one of ODB's final video appearances

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQJ90TXMNEw

In addition to his hip-hop notoriety, R.A. had a monthly column in Mass Appeal magazine, was a contributor to The Ego Trip Book of Rap Lists (St. Martin's Press)

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/EgoTrips-Book-of-Rap-Lists/Sacha-Jenkins/e/9780312242985

and Ego Trip's Big Book of Racism (HarperCollins), and has written numerous articles for other magazines including Vibe, King, Complex, Rides and Source. pages 188-190

http://books.google.com/books?id=9w9wAgPDvQsC&pg=PA190&lpg=PA190&dq=Ego+Trip's+Big+Book+of+Racism+ra+the+rugged+man&source=bl&ots=_ecO-lylXV&sig=kfnJB2Kie3TYsR1VZt2mE8x3TsE&hl=en&ei=l0AjSp6WLIKMtge67ozHBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#PPA192,M1

also as a film journalist he has interviewed everyone from William Friedkin, http://massappealmag.com/the-vault/issue-47/william-friedkin/

Scarlett Johansson, Wes Craven, http://massappealmag.com/the-vault/issue-47/wes-craven/

Usher, http://www.complex.com/CELEBRITIES/Cover-Story/Usher

David Cronenberg, Ice Cube and

Chuck Norris.

http://www.junodownload.com/products/215421-1.htm (appeared in this issue)

As a boxing writer he has interviewed Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, James Toney, Floyd Mayweather and others.

Rugged Man is writer-producer of the new Frank Henenlotter directed film titled Bad Biology. The film has an original score by Prince Paul, effects by Gabe Bartalos, and cameos by J-Zone, Penthouse Pet Krista Ayne, Playboy model Jelena Jensen, Vinnie Paz of Jedi Mind Tricks, Reef the Lost Cauze. And A soundtrack including music by Atmosphere featuring Charlee Danielson, Kool G Rap, Rza and many more,

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0974977/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Biology

http://www.fangoria.com/reviews/2-film/1844-bad-biology-film-review.html

Notability

 * Answers to your Notability

''At this point the folks on this Wikipedia page have no concern with supplying professional information. If you want to delete the well known and documented information of a known public figure feel free. If this is what it comes down to at wikipedia and this makes you feel better there is nothing else to be done. It's obvious Rugged Man is a notable figure and below are the answers to your questions but no matter what info you obtain you will ignore it and debate it for your own personal satisfaction. If we can let go and try to leave all personal feelings wikipedia seems to have towards R.A. and just be professional and work it all out Everyone can be happy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.100.110.222 (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC) ''

WP:MUSICBIO
 * 1) Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable.
 * had major articles written about HIM in KING, STUFF, 8 page spread in VICE, full page in VIBE, 2 times in XXL, EGO TRIP, SOURCE magazine, and the list goes on and on including the COVER of HIP-HOP CONNECTION in the UK twice
 * 1) Has had a charted single or album on any national music chart.
 * had several #1 singles on national college charts. And charted Billboard college rap singles.
 * 1) Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.
 * did the theme music for Chris Jericho for the Platinum Selling WWF album.
 * 1) Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.
 * Headlined tours in over 15 countries. And toured with many hip-hop greats.
 * 1) Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
 * 2) Is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles, or an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians.
 * Yes, Crustified Dibbs on JIVE records and R.A. the RUGGED MAN on Three labels.
 * 1) Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
 * 2) Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.
 * most of the greatest hip-hop artists of all time have never been nominated for these awards.
 * 1) Has won or placed in a major music competition.
 * Film wrote and produced and acted in won best film in NEW YORK CITY HORROR FILM FESTIVAL and has appeared in major festivals through out the world.
 * http://www.fangoriaonline.com/home/news/9-film-news/560-bad-biology-leads-nyc-horror-fest-award-winners.html
 * 1) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.)
 * Music appears in several movies including Larry Clark's Bully, Bad Biology, and performed on B.E.T., MTV, and VH-1, and earlier mentioned the major television show WWF.
 * http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1587402/
 * 1) Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.
 * two R.A. singles have been in rotation on major radio networks since 1994.
 * 1) Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network.

Okay, so the above are the criteria we're comparing to.
 * 1) speaks specifically on published works that cover the subject. This does not include trivial mentions. So, if R.A. is mentioned in an article about another artist, that's not what we're looking for. It has to be focused on R.A.
 * The links to articles were to back up that R.A. is also a Journalist who has written for major publications.
 * 1) is talking about R.A.'s songs, not other artist's songs in which R.A. contributed to, unless it was as part of an ensemble.
 * The Notorious B.I.G. song was R.A.'s song featuring Biggie not the other way around, so was SADAT X, AKINYELLE, MOBB DEEP, WU-TANG.
 * 1) is pretty self-explanatory.
 * 2) this one counts if he was a constant in any tour, whether it be his own or someone else's.
 * 3) major labels are obvious, the independent ones are considered important if they have an artist roster that includes many notable artists.
 * 4) is self-explanatory.
 * 5) is self-explanatory.
 * 6) is self-explanatory.
 * 7) is self-explanatory.
 * 8) is about radio play. This must be verifiable.
 * 9) is self-explanatory.

One of the above must be met to be eligible for inclusion. YouTube links can only be used if they are official accounts, ie. the YouTube account of a network or TV show. User accounts that post copyrighted video cannot be linked on Wikipedia. Wikipedia articles cannot be used as sources.


 * If you are concerned about keeping wikipedia upto date you can find 100's of links to all the above metioned.
 * If there are hundreds of links to reliable sources, please do provide them. لenna  vecia  05:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Now, when you talk about authorship, the notability criteria are found at WP:CREATIVE.
 * 1) The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
 * 2) The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
 * 3) The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
 * 4) The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries.

In order for authorship to lend to notability, the book has to be "a significant or well-known work ... that has been the subject of ... multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." Failing that, it is not notable by Wikipedia's inclusion standards. لenna vecia  03:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

And now acting and such has been introduced, so that's yet another set of criteria, WP:ENTERTAINER.
 * 1) Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television, stage performances, or other productions.
 * 2) Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.
 * 3) Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

I'm looking over the provided diffs now for anything establishing notability. لenna vecia  11:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)