Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Robert Arbuthnot (auditor)

Cabals abuse of the AfD process
Over the past number of months a number of editors who have !voted on this !vote have been involved in vote canvassing, in what another administrator has called “lock step” voting. Over the past months a number of editors have been accused of !voting on the basis of what “they like” rather than using the rationale of wiki policies. A number of central users such as Astrotrain, Kittybrewster, Counter-revolutionary, David Lauder, Major Bonkers and also El chulito, Inthegloaming who where later proved as socks and blocked.

All of the above can by generally stated as voting within the anti Irish republican and pro British unionist/ monarchist. Then we had a AfD of a biography relating to a member of the “British nobility”. This was the Robert_Murray_Arbuthnot AfD, this AfD was nominated by  Argyriou on the basis of non notability. Result – Delete, Keep 4 votes and Delete 9 votes – 3 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 75% of the votes to keep from “the group” in an article that was deleted.

It started with Astrotrain nominating a number of Volunteers from the Provisional Irish Republican Army and canvassing during those !votes. Canvassing for AfD !votes for Raymond Gilmour

Since then there has been what I consider a systematic abuse of the AfD system with a number of a same editors arriving at an AfD on a subject which they either like or dislike and voting to delete or keep on POV rather then wiki policy. The first AfD that occur was –

James McDade AfD Nominated by Astrotrain. Result – ‘’’Keep’’’ 13 votes to Keep and 1 to Delete – that vote by as Astrotrain – therefore 100% of the delete !votes from “the group”.

Then [|Gerard Montgomery] – this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. However Tyrenius ended the AfD because of a source that stated that Montgomery was involved in a murder.

Then Antoine MacGiolla Bhrighde AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. Result – no consenus to delete, Keep 7 votes and Delete 7 votes – 5 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 71% of the delete votes to delete from “the group” in an article that was kept.

Then Charles Breslin AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. Result – no consenus to delete, Keep 4 votes and Delete 4 votes – 2 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 50% of the delete votes to delete from “the group” in an article that was kept.

Then Martin McGartland AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. Result – Keep, Keep 10 votes and Delete 1 votes – that of Astrotrains

Then Diarmuid O’Neill AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. Result – No consensus, This is where the real vote staking operation started and canvassing came into effect. Keep 20 votes and Delete 10 votes – 5 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 50% of the delete votes to delete from “the group” in an article that was kept. Note the first eight !votes were to Keep and that is when the canvassing started and since then there has been almost total lock step.

Then Charles Breslin AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain on the basis of non notability. Result – no consenus to delete, Keep 4 votes and Delete 4 votes – 2 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 50% of the delete votes to delete from “the group” in an article that was kept. Again back to an Irish republican and the Martin_McCaughey AfD, this AfD was nominated by Tyrenius on the basis of non notability. Result – Keep, Keep 16 votes and Delete 12 votes – 7 of those votes from “the group” – therefore 58% of the votes to delete from “the group” in an article that was kept.

Similar behaviour and calls for deletion in an number of AfD’s of members of the Provisional IRA East Tyrone Brigade such as the Tony Gormley AfD – bios of each of those that were merged not deleted can be seen on the of the bottom of the page that they were merged to.

The  Óglaigh na hÉireann (CIRA splinter group) AfD, this AfD was nominated by Astrotrain received no delete votes and result was speedy keep'.

The Republic UK AfD, an anti monarchy organisation where they all !voted delete for an article that was kept. Federal_Commonwealth_Society| (here is where admin MrDarcy highlights this potential stalk voting)

This continues on every AfD with !votes on WP:ILIKEIT rather than wiki policy - this abuse of the system is the reason I have been so OTT in this AfD because nothing is being done about it.--Vintagekits 23:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: There is no cabal here at all. User:Vintagekits and his chum 303are taking a disruptive and argumentative line on Wikipedia and making rather sad attempts to hide behind Wikipedia rules and regulations to further their agendas. One does not have to be in a cabal to find that objectionable or to occasionally monitor their contributions. That is open to all Wikipedians. David Lauder 08:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: No cabal - that is not what administrator's have said and members of your group have been admonished for your canvassing also. I have simply highlighting the months of abuse that has been going on and I will let the facts speak for themselves.--Vintagekits 12:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply: I do not belong to any "group". I am entirely independent. If I see something which is obviously wrong I will comment. David Lauder 10:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment:The facts and the view of admin differs for that perspective.--Vintagekits 11:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

User:DownDaRoad

 * Note that the user Vintagekits has a banned sockpuppet, User:DownDaRoad, which he used to contact other editors about votes. Astrotrain 12:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * With respect, its was a legit alternate account. All has been explained before, I did not use it did not to canvas in a bad way and sent messeges highlighting a discussion to people of different view points. This is evidenced by the fact that of the people I contacted more of them voted against my view point than voted for it. It was an attempt to stimulte the debate outside of the 3 editors that were the only ones discussing, that is allowed under WP:CANVAS. That was an embrassing attempt by yourself Astrotrain to throw mud in a vain attempt to deflect attention for the months of vote stacking that has gone on on these AfD's.--Vintagekits 14:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)