Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Robert Kennedy in Palestine (1948)

Research concerning anti-Zionist quote in question

 * As I explained earlier the quote in question is found only in a single source that is a fiction book.
 * All the other quotes are found in at least two sources. I just did a search for the quote "The Arab world is made up of many disgruntled factions" and :found it in one more book besides two other sources:
 * I've also contacted LENNY BEN-DAVID, who wrote the article for Jerusalem post.
 * With his permission I'm disclosing what he wrote to me:"My source were the original Boston Post articles".
 * He confirmed there was no quote in question.
 * He also wrote to me: "in June 1998, I gave a copy of RFK's articles to his daughter Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, then Lt. Gov. of Maryland and she endorsed :it fully." Oh, and btw he found the article to be "Good Wiki article".
 * I run one more quote "The Jews with their backs to the sea" in Google books, and found it here.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's an idea, Mbz1: instead of using your cherrypicked, anti-Arab, pro-Israel quotes why don't we use RFK's final word on the matter and the concluding paragraph of his dispatches, which is quite balanced:


 * But the British have left – and now the issue is to be resolved in a bitter war between Jew and Arab. I do not think the freedom-loving nations of the world can stand by and see “the sweet water of the River Jordan stained red with the blood of Jews and Arabs.” The United States through the United Nations must take the lead in bringing about peace in the Holy Land.


 * This would fix the NPOV issues with your picked-out quotes. Factsontheground (talk) 04:47, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Or perhaps we could note how RFK spent much of one of his dispatches describing the plight of a Jewish girl who was punished by the Irgun:


 * ''A Jewish girl in her teens was picked up by some members of the Haganah on the road from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and, as she was injured, she was taken to the Hebrew Hospital in Jerusalem. They believed that she had somehow been separated from a Jewish convoy which had just gone through and which had had a scrap with the Arabs.


 * She was particularly noticed because of the strange people who were her visitors and by the fact that she insisted on being moved to the English hospital. Malca was sent to question her. She was turned away gruffly by the girl after the girl admitted that she had in reality been in a British tank with a boy friend and wanted nothing to do with the Jews.


 * One night the Stern gang followed the tactics of the underground forces in the last war. They shaved all the hair off the girl’s head. Two days after Malca told me the story the sequel took place. The girl’s brother returned for leave from duty with the Haganah up in Galilee and, finding her in such a state, shot her.


 * What do you think about that? Factsontheground (talk) 04:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * It's also interesting how you present the Jewish POV that Arabs were migrating in to Palestine (an argument that has been thoroughly debunked by scholars) yet do not present Kennedy's summary of the Arab POV.


 * First let us consider the viewpoint of the Arabs in regard to the national homeland promised to the Jews in the Balfour Declaration. The Arabs by word and deed leave no question in anyone’s mind how they feel. They argue that the Balfour Declaration supports their point that no national state was promised, pointing to the clauses in the declaration that says the national home shall be set up subject to the civil rights of the people living in Palestine at this time. In recent years they have pointed to the United Nations charger and the Article dealing with the self-determination of nations. Let us adhere to that, the Arabs say, and let the people, that is the Arabs who are involved, decide the question by the democratic processes. If this policy of participation was truly adhered to they say, then why couldn’t there be a partition with the “the” partition set aside for the Arab minorities?


 * The Arabs are most concerned about the great increase in the Jews in Palestine: 80,000 in 1948. The Arabs have always feared this encroachment and maintain that the Jews will never be satisfied with just their section of Palestine, but will gradually move to overpower the rest of the country and will eventually move onto the enormously wealthy oil lands. They are determined that the Jews will never get the toehold that would be necessary for the fulfillment of that policy.


 * Sourced from here. Factsontheground (talk) 04:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * May I suggest that this discussion be continued on the article's Talk page, as it has nothing to do with this AfD discussion. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:22, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, I don't know about Mbz1, but I'd be happy to move the discussion there and remove it from this page. Factsontheground (talk) 05:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, should be kept in one place, at the article's talk page.--Mbz1 (talk) 11:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)