Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/SER Group

1. First response from Akoszlajda (talk) 17:24, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Nomadicghumakkad Hi, You have nominated my "SER Group" article for the second time to be deleted, despite the article shows a set of raw facts about that company and its product Doxis4. This is important IT vendor in EU and I was very surprised to see that the company does not have a profile in Wikipedia. Similar vendors like PegaSystems and "SAS Institute" exists in Wikipedia. Is it just because eg. Pega is a US company and just because it is mentioned in Forbes not like "SER Group" OR there are some other, unknown to me, reasons?

Noticing this "white spot" in Wikipedia (missing info about "SER Group" and "Doxis4") I have spent my private time to define article about that company and product using various sources and providing 30+ references from various places and countries. There are no "sales" info, but just pure facts. I am IT engineer willing to share my, unique knowledge about that company and its product. This is a fact that there is a big ecosystem around that company and its product, which should be noted - this fact can be easily validated in many sources and also sources provided by me.

Please let me know which specific items need edition because comment "Find sources: "SER Group" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR" does not bring any value - I have look at those sources and there are mostly "sales pages", which I have already filtered to provide Wikipedia audience valuable fact-based information. I am not perfect, but if the improvement is needed I count on Wikipedia team to respect my work and providing precise information about needed update. Thank You in advance for Your prompt response and support.

2. Response from Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 03:04, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Akoszlajda, The problem is with the sources you have provided. Content still has problems but that can be managed. I suggest you read our guidleines for companies at WP:NCORP. For companies, we require very high standard of sources. More than half of sources are company page itself. Now that the discussion has started, I encourage that you participate in it and present your thoughts there. But reading WP:NCORP will help you find right sources and make logical arguments. Thanks.

3. Response from Akoszlajda (talk) 12:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Nomadicghumakkad Hi again, 13 out of 33 References where linking to SER Group articles, so it was not "more than a half" ;) Nevertheless I got Your point, I have reviewed the references again and I have limited them to 3 out of 36. I have provided previously references to various press articles (PresseBox) and tech blogs mentioned also in another Wikipedia articles (eg. tadviser), so in my opinion this fulfills WP:NCORP. You need to understand that New Your Times and Forbes write mostly about US&UK market and we speak in here mostly about EU market and company from DE - Gartner, Forrester and AIIM organizations are referential source. I hope that limiting references to SER Group web page fulfills now Wikipedia guidelines and we can remove "being considered for deletion" remark and the disambiguation pages remark. If not let me know please what further improvements are required. BTW, I see that the other wikiusers starts to work on this article, what I am happy about.

4. Response from Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello again Akoszlajda, yes, I didn't take the pain to count and made a generic statement which was more metaphorical honestly. Happy to know you are not agitated or want to crucify me for that. My suggestion is that you read WP:THREE and then present the best three sources in the deletion discussion in an order to make an argument for keeping the draft. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

5. Response from Akoszlajda (talk) 09:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello again Nomadicghumakkad. I do understand where You are and why we go through the procedure ;) I do not mind as far as we have substantive discussion, which will cause at the end that the article has better quality what happens already. Answering Your questions there are following 3 sources of information which are both the most Reliable WP:RS and Notable WP:SIGCOV:

Gartner & Forrester are well known, independent IT research companies, which reports are widely used and they are treated as reliable source of information for strategic decisions in big enterprises.

Dun & Bradstreet is a very noble organization outside IT world providing commercial data, analytics, and insights for businesses since 1841.

(all the information below were and are in SER Group article - I have just provided today additional references to Gartner)

a) Gartner publishes the information about SER Group and its product Doxis4 since 2015 and the last one is from 2020: (the solution was first in Enterprise Content Management - ECM category and then in Content Services Platforms category)

* in November 2020 SER Group has been defined as a Visionary in The Gartner Magic Quadrant for Content Services Platforms 2020   

b) Forrester publishes the information about SER Group and its product Doxis4 since 2017 and the last one is from 2021:

* in June 2021 SER Group has been recognized as “Strong Performer” in Forrester Wave™: Content Platforms report 

c) Information about SER from Dun & Bradstreet


 * About SER Group