Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Sandeep Unnikrishnan

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For the benefit of the established Wikipedia editors who are having difficulty navigating the reams of irrelevancies above, here are the major sources cited here, after an inordinate amount of pushing to do so: Uncle G (talk) 01:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree to comments made by the other contributors and wish to add I am positively sure Major Unni will be awarded the Kirti Chakra, the highest award for peacetime battle honors. In such a sense, this definetly is an topic to retain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ram1978 (talk • contribs) 03:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment He may. He may not.  WP:NOTCRYSTAL applies to future speculation. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 10:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Lets give time WP guideline on notability states "..the discussion should focus not only on whether notability is established in the article, but on what the probability is that notability could be established. If it is likely that significant coverage in independent sources can be found for a topic, deletion due to lack of notability is inappropriate unless active effort has been made to find these sources. For articles of unclear notability, deletion should be a last resort.". Citing sources is the thing to do. Everyone please focus effort on improving the article and accumulating sources for that. Arguments will go on. Indoresearch (talk) 06:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. Thank you for UncleG's refreshment. I read those sources, but they are still only covering the attack event. The side-story of his childhood cannot hold the notability to have a separate article here. I would like also to comment Indoresearch's comment above. I'd incline to WP:CHANCE for a new article; there new reliable sources can be added to support the notability. However, we cannot establish notability based on the probability of being notable (see WP:NOTCRYSTAL). For the subject of this debate, all sources are in the WP:NOTNEWS cycle, and at best at this moment that the subject can only be mentioned in the main article. When he receives an award, say an Indian national hero award, then the notability is established automatically. Dekisugi (talk) 08:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've read the sources, but I'm afraid that the article still doesn't pass WP:BIO1E from what I can see. The sources are, however, useful, but the gentleman in question is only discussed in relation to this one event. Until he becomes notable in some other way - perhaps he has a building named after him, or the like - I still think a whole article for one man and one event is a bit much. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 10:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Letter/Spirit The guideline says 'When a person is associated with only one event, such as for a particular relatively unimportant crime or for standing for governmental election, consideration needs to be given to the need to create a standalone article on the person.' The keyword here is the 'importance' of the event. The WP:BIO1E should be read in spirit of what is being said not just the letter. if the event is important enough. I see it is valid to have a bio. 221.249.25.218 (talk) 12:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * But you didn't continue citing WP:BIO1E. "... If reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography may be unwarranted.". Right now, sources referred here are only in the context of that event, so it is unwarranted to have a separate bio. Next time you cite a policy, please don't cut. Dekisugi (talk) 12:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This is for Uncle G, his mention in a few more articles, "Sources! Sources!" as he calls them:
 * (1) Fox news:
 * (2) BBC:
 * (3) CNN:
 * (4) MSNBC:
 * (5) CBS News:
 * If any more NON-Indian sources needed, I can dig up such sources for ever.
 * And regarding WP:BIO1E, as someone just said, half (personally I think more than half) the articles on Wikipedia do NOT pass that criteria. I think that someone gave the example of Daniel Pearl also. Does getting killed by some crazy lunatics and getting your name in a few newspapers count as being "notable for more than one event" (Apologies for the quotes)?? Its 1 of the very few :times that I've seen deleters raising this rule!!
 * I personally think that the quality of an article is an issue here. WP:CHANCE should be used rather than a deletion.--Sainik1 (talk) 13:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've read all of the sources you mentioned above (Fox, BBC, CNN, MSNBC and CBS). All of them, I repeat, all of them, do not tell anything more about the subject but as one of the victims. It's a trivial mentioning and does not give enough coverage about the subject (see WP:N). Dekisugi (talk) 13:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note to the closing admin. The following is a copy-paste of the comment made by the User:Arwel Parry in the afd discussion of Todd Beamer.


 * "it's clear that the AfD for Sandeep Unnikrishnan is what has triggered this one. Major Unnikrishnan's defenders are quite correct that Todd Beamer is no more notable than Maj. Unnikrishnan, both owing their fame to WP:BLP1E. Either both articles should be deleted or both kept. It would be hypocritical of Wikipedia to come to different decisions simply because one subject is American and has more online defenders than the Indian subject." I thought it's relevant here. Salih  ( talk ) 13:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * let us begin a campaign to delete the thousands of biographies that violate wikipedia's guidelines mentioned above WP:BLP1E. most are probably american. but an encyclopedia is about creation and spread of knowledge. not deletion.

I am unable to understand wiki policy. terrorist is more notable than a martyr. see example terrorist Hafiz Muhammad Saeed.

Aminami (talk) 16:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. That would violate WP:POINT, let us instead improve our coverage of India and all those countries who we cover poorly on wikipedia. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)